Why do people say Madonna is Talentless?

[wokemonster 75]

she is talented cause she can make her thing even with weakness like not having an strong voice , yet she's still able to be a great artist with such a huge impact in pop culture

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

18 hours ago, Kylie Jenner said:

Madonna may have done a few pop songs with other genres influenced in them but she hasn't really performed the range of genres Gaga has, Jazz especially. Listen to any Madonna song and picture her singing it in Jazz

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Madonna steps up to bat—Sondheim’s clever wordplay and melodies are often sophisticated by pop music standards—and knocks them right out of the park. From playful and sultry (“He’s a Man”) to kittenish (the Latin-flavored “I’m Going Bananas”), she displays

a surprisingly remarkable vocal range throughout the album. Original songs like the cheeky “Hanky Panky” and the ardent “Something to Remember,” a seemingly personal meditation on self-love, touched on themes she would go on to explore more explicitly later in the ’90s. Madonna could never be satisfied with just a ’40s concept album, of course

Slant magazine, 4/5 stars: https://www.slantmagazine.com/music/review/madonna-im-breathless

An alternative subtitle could be Madonna Goes Broadway in a Major Way. She pulls it off with brass and panache, but then everybody knows Madonna doesn't mess around. Compared with Prince's mechanical-sounding Batman LP, at any rate, I'm Breathless stands as a unified whole — a fully realized concept album.

I'm Breathless does have its commercial ace in the hole — maybe a pair of them. The album's opening track, "He's a Man," chugs with the churning inevitability of a power ballad, and Madonna's haunting vocal hangs in the air long after the music has faded.

Rolling Stone, 3.5/5 stars: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/im-breathless-19900614

 

 

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[sillynate 6,170]

OP didn't mention Gaga why are some of you talking about her? 

Mess @ me cuz I'm about to 

anyway, I don't think I've heard anyone (besides the messy twinks here) say she's talentless  

sure her singing isn't as great as others' (Gaga) but as a songwriter...  

let me just say... writing about sexism, sexuality, teen pregnancy, religion etc... vs I want your love, this could be love, it wasn't love etc 

[NCgaga 4,324]

Vocally, she is no Gaga. BUT- SHe has a very seriene and smooth voice that does very well for pop. She actually has a decent Lower register and practices decent technique. However, she isn't rangy enough to be a true vocalist. THAT BEING SAID...

 

Madonna is insanely talented. From her dancing, to acting, singing, song writing, fashion. She is the most culturally important, influential, and successful female pop singer of all time. 

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

Doesn't matter what people think of her. Queen M IS TALENTED! 

[Snow 1,582]

@scallywally big fat amen for your replies *applaudes* Some ppl just... *facepalm*

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,898]

@scallywally You really need to calm down. Just because you don't put importance in the past doesn't meant the rest of us don't. I believe how she treated people in the past matters. By calling the song reductive, she was calling its creator reductive. She even said "I love her, I do, because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" on tour. Sorry, no, I think it's unforgivable in my book. She joined in with the gleeful mudslinging that the media was starting to do to Gaga by that point and that isn't right in my book. I don't care if they've made up since. People can have different ideas about what's acceptable to forgive. You're talking to someone whose mother made her go out to play with the girl who bullied her because she insisted she'd changed. Sorry no, I don't want to entertain people who made me feel small and I'd regard celebrities in the same way if I were famous. Most of them have fake friendships anyway. And yes, such "shady" videos exist of Gaga but they really don't hold much weight as whenever she was saying is usually her defending herself, clapping back form a stupid question or making a rock n roll statement about her work ethic. The rare times she has been shady (Madonna, Katy, Die Antwoord), they were 100% asking for it. Someone had to put them in their place. Gaga is never mean for no reason. If you don't come for her, she won't come for you. And yes, without Madonna, we maybe wouldn't have Gaga but seeing as Gaga's now experimenting in directions that Madonna never did, I'm not so sure that it's fair for us to think her art as we know it wouldn't exist without Madonna. Give her some credit.

3 hours ago, Snow said:

@scallywally big fat amen for your replies *applaudes* Some ppl just... *facepalm*

Talking about me like I'm not here is so rude. For the record, I never even said Madonna was talentless, just that I can understand where this criticism comes from and that I'm not a fan of her attitude. No need to take it so personally or treat me like I'm stupid.

[Snow 1,582]

@StrawberryBlondYou keep twisting facts and take small bits out of context and present them to push your own agenda. You're arguments hence irk some nerves as they are pretty much lies and one dimension "opinions". Then you seemingly presemtnt them in a loooong factual looking essey. And ignore anything anyone else has done, Gaga included. How many of the so called meaness has actually been started by M? That's what my problem is.

And really, all for being hurt vicariously for a thing from 2012? As M said, she likes Gaga and dont have a problem with any other female either. The problem was just that one song she felt Gaga plagiarized.(RS 2015?? Interview, the last she ever spoke about it). And you know what? She had every right to feel that way, especially after Gaga lied on Leno about M's concent and emails and then went ahead and thanked Whitney for the inspiration lol. Have you ever actually stopped and think how M might have felt about many of Gaga's "inspirations"? Well probably she didn't really care, but still, there's two sides to the coin. 

And what's up with this weird victim complex? Is that the true problem with M? That she refuses the be the victim of anything.

 

Anyway, its all besides the point. Why on earth are you on this thread writing esseys with alternative facts&lies over and over when you could just have said "I think many people are put off by her and hence precieves M as talentless for her (supposed) mean personality." 

[scallywally 626]

Id hate to think that for 35 years of Madonna's blood sweat and tears paving a way for female artists that she knows the door gets slammed in her face by ignorant t**ts,

[TheRoof 21,600]

4 hours ago, Snow said:

@StrawberryBlondYou keep twisting facts and take small bits out of context and present them to push your own agenda. You're arguments hence irk some nerves as they are pretty much lies and one dimension "opinions". Then you seemingly presemtnt them in a loooong factual looking essey. And ignore anything anyone else has done, Gaga included. How many of the so called meaness has actually been started by M? That's what my problem is.

And really, all for being hurt vicariously for a thing from 2012? As M said, she likes Gaga and dont have a problem with any other female either. The problem was just that one song she felt Gaga plagiarized.(RS 2015?? Interview, the last she ever spoke about it). And you know what? She had every right to feel that way, especially after Gaga lied on Leno about M's concent and emails and then went ahead and thanked Whitney for the inspiration lol. Have you ever actually stopped and think how M might have felt about many of Gaga's "inspirations"? Well probably she didn't really care, but still, there's two sides to the coin. 

And what's up with this weird victim complex? Is that the true problem with M? That she refuses the be the victim of anything.

 

Anyway, its all besides the point. Why on earth are you on this thread writing esseys with alternative facts&lies over and over when you could just have said "I think many people are put off by her and hence precieves M as talentless for her (supposed) mean personality." 

link please

[scallywally 626]

'We live in a world where people like to pit women against each other. And this is why I love the idea of embracing other females who are doing what I'm doing. . .The only time I ever criticized Lady Gaga was when I felt like she blatantly ripped off one of my songs. It's got nothing to do with 'she's taking my crown' or 'she's in some space of mine.' She has her thing. I do think she's a very talented singer and songwriter. It was just that one issue. And everybody's obviously running with it and turned it into a huge feud, which I think is really quite boring'

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14 hours ago, scallywally said:

'We live in a world where people like to pit women against each other. And this is why I love the idea of embracing other females who are doing what I'm doing. . .The only time I ever criticized Lady Gaga was when I felt like she blatantly ripped off one of my songs. It's got nothing to do with 'she's taking my crown' or 'she's in some space of mine.' She has her thing. I do think she's a very talented singer and songwriter. It was just that one issue. And everybody's obviously running with it and turned it into a huge feud, which I think is really quite boring'

lol we should know by now that madonna is full of sh*t.  this is her trying to be like 'i had nothing to do with this'. remember when she made her fans shout 'lady who?' her tour set list? her grin after calling gaga reductive?  she plays with the media as she pleases - regardless of who gets hurt in the end. 

i admire gaga for being the bigger person in this. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,898]

On 10/1/2017 at 7:16 PM, Snow said:

@StrawberryBlondYou keep twisting facts and take small bits out of context and present them to push your own agenda. You're arguments hence irk some nerves as they are pretty much lies and one dimension "opinions". Then you seemingly presemtnt them in a loooong factual looking essey. And ignore anything anyone else has done, Gaga included. How many of the so called meaness has actually been started by M? That's what my problem is.

And really, all for being hurt vicariously for a thing from 2012? As M said, she likes Gaga and dont have a problem with any other female either. The problem was just that one song she felt Gaga plagiarized.(RS 2015?? Interview, the last she ever spoke about it). And you know what? She had every right to feel that way, especially after Gaga lied on Leno about M's concent and emails and then went ahead and thanked Whitney for the inspiration lol. Have you ever actually stopped and think how M might have felt about many of Gaga's "inspirations"? Well probably she didn't really care, but still, there's two sides to the coin. 

And what's up with this weird victim complex? Is that the true problem with M? That she refuses the be the victim of anything.

 

Anyway, its all besides the point. Why on earth are you on this thread writing esseys with alternative facts&lies over and over when you could just have said "I think many people are put off by her and hence precieves M as talentless for her (supposed) mean personality." 

I'm not twisting anything or taking anything out of context. I make it my perogative never to do that to push an agenda, actually. And pardon me for explaining my thoughts at length. How will people fully comprehend them otherwise? And I've never ignored anything Gaga has done. She's said and done things I'm not happy with before. Just because I'm not talking about them here doesn't mean I don't think they exist. And Madonna has started some of the mean things she said. She's been mean to certain people for no reason at all, in some cases. What was with that Oprah diss in Truth or Dare? What did Oprah ever do to her?

It isn't just Gaga. The whole debacle made me research Madonna and discover that she has a history of being mean to others, especially those who she feels threatened by. She reminds me of those fake feminists who say they support women and then take every opportunity to bring them down and glorify men over them. I really don't care about the emails or any of the ins and outs. BTW doesn't sound like a true rip-off to me anyway. The media was looking for something and they found it. Madonna didn't even accuse Gaga of plagiarism until the media called it first. It leads me to believe that she saw an opportunity to be relevant again and took it.

Where did you come up with a victim complex?

I've made multiple responses because people kept quoting me so I had to explain myself further. And stop saying "alternative facts and lies." Most of the stuff I've spoken about has come directly from Madonna's mouth. I did state right from the beginning what you just said in the last sentence but people wanted a fight with me over it so I had to put it down in other ways.

21 hours ago, scallywally said:

Id hate to think that for 35 years of Madonna's blood sweat and tears paving a way for female artists that she knows the door gets slammed in her face by ignorant t**ts,

Wait, was that insulted directed at me?You do know bullying members isn't allowed, right? And for the record, no one needs to feel grateful for anything anyone has done in music. Music is what you personally make it. Madonna gets way too much credit. And Madonna never intended to pave the way for females anyway. She just wanted glory for herself...which is why she's put down so many other females.

[insight 2,440]

8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

And Madonna never intended to pave the way for females anyway. She just wanted glory for herself...which is why she's put down so many other females.

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,721]

this thread is so triggering. people say anything. I see u.