Qualle1 1,385 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Economy said: I dont agree because theres no evidence hes an actual nazi. If he is thats different... probably the drunk American felt like making fun of German History and decided to be an idiot Learn to have some respect for other points of view I am very sorry, but to insult pedestrians and scream "Sieg Heil!" and "Heil Hitler!" and to show several times the Nazi salute is here in Germany no "trifle"! Even if I would be extremely drunken or on heavy drugs, I would certainly never call a black person in the USA a "******"! Why? Because I am no ****in' right-wing extremist! MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Melech said: and the germans aren't allowed to defend themselves? That has nothing to do with my post... "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Rush said: Sure, and all those people in Charlottesville were also just kidding, right? American gets drunk in Germany Does Nazi salute in front of group of Germans I wonder what the more likely option is: 1. He happens to be an actual neo-Nazi 2. He's being stupid and teasing/taunting the Germans Maybe like this guy did? "Prince Ernst August of Hanover, the controversy-prone husband of Caroline of Monaco, allegedly gave the stiff-arm Hitler salute to an airport security guard during an argument, prosecutors said Wednesday. The security guard told police the dispute erupted when the prince resisted being checked before boarding a plane Nov. 24 at Hanover's Langenhagen airport, prosecutors in the city said. Ernst August allegedly shouted insults, then raised his arm in a Nazi salute, said a prosecutors' spokesman, Thomas Klinge." https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-12-01-prince-salute_x.htm "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Goosey said: American gets drunk in Germany Does Nazi salute in front of group of Germans I wonder what the more likely option is: 1. He happens to be an actual neo-Nazi 2. He's being stupid and teasing/taunting the Germans Maybe like this guy did? "Prince Ernst August of Hanover, the controversy-prone husband of Caroline of Monaco, allegedly gave the stiff-arm Hitler salute to an airport security guard during an argument, prosecutors said Wednesday. The security guard told police the dispute erupted when the prince resisted being checked before boarding a plane Nov. 24 at Hanover's Langenhagen airport, prosecutors in the city said. Ernst August allegedly shouted insults, then raised his arm in a Nazi salute, said a prosecutors' spokesman, Thomas Klinge." https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-12-01-prince-salute_x.htm Oh, Goosey! Did you really search for another example to suggest that the US-American tourist was only drunken and no neo-Nazi? Couldn't you find anything better than an incident, that happened nearly 13 years ago - back in 2004? Honey, Prince Ernst August had in fact several criminal cases for offence, necessity and assault and he had to pay hundred of thousand Euros because of several criminal cases he lost. This "Prince" is scum and the German public and media litterally outlawed him for all of his "erratic behaviours", like showing the Nazi salute. Nice try... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, Qualle1 said: Oh, Goosey! Did you really search for another example to suggest that the US-American tourist was only drunken and no neo-Nazi? Don't need to look for examples, it seems obvious to me. You think he's giving a genuine, heartfelt Nazi salute... to a cafe, because he happens to admire the Third Reich? Or he's just a drunk guy in Germany doing stupid drunk guy things. Since we are both guessing at his motivations, apply Occam's razor and pick the explanation with the fewest assumptions. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEnigma 11,313 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 8/13/2017 at 11:19 AM, Decodekid said: I'm disgusted if 2018 becomes the year in which those white supremacists become Nazis why the **** are we going backwards Because our education system sucks. It all starts with how much America is willin to spend on education. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,845 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Qualle1 said: I am very sorry, but to insult pedestrians and scream "Sieg Heil!" and "Heil Hitler!" and to show several times the Nazi salute is here in Germany no "trifle"! Even if I would be extremely drunken or on heavy drugs, I would certainly never call a black person in the USA a "******"! Why? Because I am no ****in' right-wing extremist! Yeah neither would I but ur missing my point. I was not defending him.... i was saying hes probably not an actual Nazi and what the other guy did was also not excusable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,709 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Interstellar said: Are you seriously letting these people practice their free speech? This is hatred. This ideology is what got MILLIONS OF PEOPLE KILLED. There is no way I'm going to let people think that is okay to preach, and let you get away with trying to reinforce that.They aren't physically hurting anyone right now, but it's definitely taking a toll on people mentally and emotionally. If you are seriously defending these people, you are the most disgusting kind of human being on this planet. and for the record, I'm not a SJW. I'm an anarchist. 8 hours ago, Liza said: Ken what, if you had said this about almost any other opinion or ideology I wouldn't be that bothered because I can see where you're coming from, so please believe me when I say I'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational here. I get what you're trying to say in the post 100% but come on dude, really? "A guy whose ideology I don't agree with?" You're going to say that about a man repeatedly doing Nazi salutes in Dresden? You're saying "ideology I don't agree with" like it's just another harmless opinion or ideology and not one that actually did extensive damage to the actual CITY and COUNTRY the dude is saluting in. Talk about being dismissive as hell about Nazism!!!!! of all things. What nazis have done in the past is no longer relevant - you do realise that if they attacked someone, there are already laws in place to punish that, right? But same goes for any assault, which is fair - NO ONE should have to endure a physical assault if they haven't initiated it... Seriously, if you are unable to explain to a Nazi why their ideology is flawed and counter their arguments with something other than fists, stay away from the conversation on human rights, you clearly don't know what you're doing... I'll explain it this way - you know the way it makes you feel when a nazis spew their rhetoric? They feel the exact same way about you... They think they are in the right and they are protecting their values that are correct... So think about it - what would happen if someone were to beat you up for what you believe in - would that change your mind? OF COURSE NOT... More than likely, it would actually make your stance stronger... Same applies to them.. Violence will never eradicate nazism, it will just give them more reason to stand for what they stand for... Refusing to be violent is not being dismissive, and if you genuinely condemn a person for that, you are no better than them - no empathy, just hatered... Take a good hard look at yourself before you call another person disgusting... It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie 2,518 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 13/8/2017 at 0:16 PM, joannester said: I never said it's the same level of stupidity but that was extra even tho what he did was so disrespectful Yeah let's keep letting americans do nazi **** like is happening in USA right now What if tomorrow I see you again? Should I say that I used to love you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie 2,518 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, CautiousLurker said: What nazis have done in the past is no longer relevant I stopped reading here What if tomorrow I see you again? Should I say that I used to love you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CautiousLurker 19,709 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just now, Eddie said: I stopped reading here And ironically proved my point, well done It's a joke! When you give me that look, it's a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,845 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 2017-08-14 at 8:56 PM, Eddie said: Yeah let's keep letting americans do nazi **** like is happening in USA right now So beating the sh*t out of everyone who does something stupid like this is the answer now? It baffles me how society now can justify everything and anything by simply taking a side It is possible for both to be in the wrong... there doesnt alwas have to be a right and wrong for everything and fully defending 1 side i think its pretty clear both acted inapropriately here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchulainn 3,040 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Economy said: So beating the sh*t out if everyone who does something stupid like this is the answer now? It baffles me how society now can justify everything and anything by simply taking a side It is possible for both to be in the wrong... there doesnt alwas have to be a right and wrong for everything and fully defending 1 side i think its pretty clear both acted inapropriately here! Rational thinking is tough here, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liza 618 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 7 hours ago, CautiousLurker said: What nazis have done in the past is no longer relevant - you do realise that if they attacked someone, there are already laws in place to punish that, right? But same goes for any assault, which is fair - NO ONE should have to endure a physical assault if they haven't initiated it... Seriously, if you are unable to explain to a Nazi why their ideology is flawed and counter their arguments with something other than fists, stay away from the conversation on human rights, you clearly don't know what you're doing... I'll explain it this way - you know the way it makes you feel when a nazis spew their rhetoric? They feel the exact same way about you... They think they are in the right and they are protecting their values that are correct... So think about it - what would happen if someone were to beat you up for what you believe in - would that change your mind? OF COURSE NOT... More than likely, it would actually make your stance stronger... Same applies to them.. Violence will never eradicate nazism, it will just give them more reason to stand for what they stand for... Refusing to be violent is not being dismissive, and if you genuinely condemn a person for that, you are no better than them - no empathy, just hatered... Take a good hard look at yourself before you call another person disgusting... Did you get that from my post? Maybe I should have put another disclaimer in when I was writing it. I don't care about the German or the American dude in this scenario. My post was directed specifically at you and your dismissive wording and complete weirdness about the seriousness of someone doing Nazi salutes in Germany, acting like it's simply someone's innocuous opinion without considering the context/history of it. Of course what Nazi's have done in the past is relevant, it's what makes up huge parts of beliefs of neo-Nazi's. Nazism is not comparable to someone being anti-gay rights or anti-abortion or whatever, Nazism as an ideology is much much more damaging that than because of the connotations of it and shouldn't be put in a category as "Haha freedom of speech, it's just his opinion/ideology!" That was my issue, not about whether it was right or wrong for the man to hit the tourist for doing the salute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JupiterDrive 2,788 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Deutschland you're doing amazing Schatz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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