Is It Time To Say Goodbye To PopGa For Good?

[not asher613 661]

21 minutes ago, MaryJaneHolland said:

They aren't with her anymore 

She still collaborates with Nicola Formicetti every now and then, but he's not in her team anymore.

Dada and Lauriann left.

Troy left her.

you're saying they wouldnt work together anymore? 

[giskardsb 12,565]

17 hours ago, Givenchy said:

I think saying goodbye to PopGa means saying goodbye to mainstream Gaga with high budget music videos, tours and performances as well. I know everyone here wants to pretend to care about what she personally wants and it's cute, but let's be realistic, Lady Gaga became Lady Gaga because she craved the fame and the spotlight. Hell she herself called her album The Fame Monster and she sang "I live for the Applause". Changing that to a "I'm not a money-making machine" attitude and making something totally differently will end up alienating her fan base, hell it already did, as I see a lot of people today are a hell lot less dedicated and defensive of her as they were back during the BTW era, and if she continues down that road she will soon not even be a money-making machine for herself, let a lone a big label.

Lady Gaga is a very talented women. She can sing, dance perform, act, dress, shock..etc. and she can even borrow stuff from other artists and look fine doing it, despite the controversies. But she got where she is because of shock value. In the world of pop, people hardly care about talent, unless someone somehow got lucky like Adele and made it to mainstream music with ballads and powerful lyrics and no sex. And as much as you wanna deny it, Gaga got famous because she shocked people with her outfits, the shock value was like a bubble that eventually popped. Like meat dress, egg/vessel, mermaid, blood, teddy bear dress, wood debris dress, flying dress, what else? metal dress? stone dress? you can only do so much before you run out of ideas or run out of resources to create something you haven't done before, and unfortunately all that happened so fast.

People recognize her talent, but many don't care because they wanna dance to her catchy songs in clubs, watch her perform and do crazy stuff on stage or appear at an event with a weird outfit or make a shocking statement. That's the mentality of the majority of the people who care about her. They're more interested in the lady that wears from Versace and Giuseppe Zanotti than the girl who wears regular stuff. They want the over-the-top performances, the crazy long music videos with story and weird ****. That's what made the most of us love her so much.

Of course, I'm not saying she's worthless without those, but she'll never have even close to the impact she had, with any different attitude than this, which is why she attempted to return to that image with The Cure and then performing Super Bowl which brought back her old looks and now JWT which has a lot more pop hits than Joanne songs. 

Now you're gonna say "she can do whatever she wants". Yeah, sure. But that cannot stop us from discussing the elephant in the room. When people here complain about the  lack of videos from this era or the videos that didn't feel like something Lady Gaga would make, well that's what changing to a more country-ish or rock or metal sound would yield. How weird can one go with Perfect Illusion or Million Reasons? how crazy can you get in a music video of a song that doesn't have much craze into it? and all that will reflect on appeal which reflects on sales which reflects on upcoming performances, tours and albums. She won't be granted as much resources when she doesn't generate much income and when the public gets disappointed by something or just not so hooked into something, they usually remember that when there's something else coming. I mean if I see few movies for a certain director and they don't appeal to me, I will take note whenever I see his/her name on a movie again, same goes for music.

So if this really is the end of Pop Gaga, it will eventually mean the end of Gaga herself, and telling people to "support her instead of b*tching" doesn't help because you don't lie to yourself pretending that a song is good. You provide feedback in hopes of seeing change and if there isn't, you move on. 

Perfect post explaining basically why I hate the pop industry, lol.  Now Obviously everybody has their own tastes and what they look for from entertainers and musicians.  For me personally, the pop industry (and fan) de-valuation of musicality and actual talent is what dooms pop stars to short careers.   Pop is all about what is striking peoples fancy at the moment, and the moment rarely lasts very long.   It's a brutal game to see how long you can maintain the attention of people with short attention spans.   This is not a healthy environment for true artists and has literally killed a number of them.

So I'm glad Gaga is distancing herself from that mess.  I want her to have a long and varied career because to me the number one characteristic of Gaga is her fantastic voice and that she is a true musician.  I don't care about "pop stars."  I care about musicians.  Gaga is good at the avant-garde thing and shock and all that but to me thats simply frosting on the cake.  Gaga's voice is gold, she has things to say, and she is a real musician that likes to work with real musicians.  As long as she focuses on herself as an artist, then I will be always interested in seeing what she is up to.  And if she needs to break away from the stress and money vipers of the pop industry to do that effectively, then I'm all in.   I'd rather have a long and steady career from her than be witnessing another Amy Winehouse moment.   I'm not sure fans here actually realize how close to that she was coming.  Just be glad Gaga had Papa Joe and Cynthia around instead of Amy's parents who themselves relied on her as a money making machine.

 

 

[not asher613 661]

18 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

Perfect post explaining basically why I hate the pop industry, lol.  Now Obviously everybody has their own tastes and what they look for from entertainers and musicians.  For me personally, the pop industry (and fan) de-valuation of musicality and actual talent is what dooms pop stars to short careers.   Pop is all about what is striking peoples fancy at the moment, and the moment rarely lasts very long.   It's a brutal game to see how long you can maintain the attention of people with short attention spans.   This is not a healthy environment for true artists and has literally killed a number of them.

So I'm glad Gaga is distancing herself from that mess.  I want her to have a long and varied career because to me the number one characteristic of Gaga is her fantastic voice and that she is a true musician.  I don't care about "pop stars."  I care about musicians.  Gaga is good at the avant-garde thing and shock and all that but to me thats simply frosting on the cake.  Gaga's voice is gold, she has things to say, and she is a real musician that likes to work with real musicians.  As long as she focuses on herself as an artist, then I will be always interested in seeing what she is up to.  And if she needs to break away from the stress and money vipers of the pop industry to do that effectively, then I'm all in.   I'd rather have a long and steady career from her than be witnessing another Amy Winehouse moment.   I'm not sure fans here actually realize how close to that she was coming.  Just be glad Gaga had Papa Joe and Cynthia around instead of Amy's parents who themselves relied on her as a money making machine.

 

 

explain

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

21 minutes ago, not asher613 said:

you're saying they wouldnt work together anymore? 

i dont get what you're trying to ask

[giskardsb 12,565]

7 minutes ago, not asher613 said:

explain

she was out of control on the drug use and alcohol for a while and near mental breakdown.  She was obviously trying to cope.  Tony Bennett was also a huge influence,  it's why she credits him as "saving her" so much.

[PlanetChromatica 2,266]

I do think this is being blown out of proportion, she did want to quit music but she enjoys pop music, her inspirations/influences/favourite music range from David Bowie, Madonna to Britney and MJ. I think the next album will be very pop and will shock the fans.

Not to mention she has a record deal, no idea how many albums she is signed for but it's probably at least two more albums.

[My Little Phoney 658]

She's always be a hybrid of many genres. 

[Sister 9,907]

I believe that after this tour and era, she will just be actressGa for a long period of time. She just seems to be more interested in her acting career than anything else these days and I think that she will take this part of her career on, into overdrive. It's also what she has recently been saying that she actually had wanted first. She's honestly pretty great at it so far as well.

[dancefreak 266]

I actually think Gaga has so many different dimensions. She's done something totally different with every album and era so far. The fact that Joanne is more acoustic, lighter, laidback, organic, raw and follows C2C which was jazz does NOT imply that she's tired of pop music (she's still doing pop btw). She enjoys trying different things all the time. I can't wait to see yet another "unknown", unexplored Gaga side with the next album and I won't be surprised if she goes full pop again in the next few years.

 

The thing I'm mostly trying to say to everyone is: let her release any kind of music she wants, let her be her. Isn't it beautiful that literally NOTHING she's ever released/done sounds forced and fake? She is the most important artist of our generation and she should keep doing her thing, cause it's so beautiful.

[not asher613 661]

26 minutes ago, Sister said:

I believe that after this tour and era, she will just be actressGa for a long period of time. She just seems to be more interested in her acting career than anything else these days and I think that she will take this part of her career on, into overdrive. It's also what she has recently been saying that she actually had wanted first. She's honestly pretty great at it so far as well.

I know what you are saying sounds right. 

She is so much more than an actress tho. 

People will see her talent. Where will we see her vision?

Maybe she intends to direct, ultimately, but does she need to "go to Hollywood" for that?

Especially today, especially with her resources, she could come up with a creative online distribution concept and do wtvr the f she wants.

My thoughts are way out of balance when it comes to this issue. I can't think about it clearly, at all. All I have is my feeling and my feeling just says PANIC. It says that if she can't keep doing what she does best. If she has to walk away from fans we know she'd rather support through music and the name she worked so hard to create for herself. It means our society has failed in some deeper way.

I know she likes acting. She also built something in the world. "Gaga" like a mythical creature. Like an exotic species. Hollywood now means Joanne is her rolling the credits on gaga. And it's a f'ing lie, every line. 

Wounded heart, just for the fame, equality as her charity, 

She's an unbreakable spirit, an artist who laughs at popular opinion, and a good person with a simple, normal embrace of all people as people.

If it ends this way she's taking back the most important thing she gave to any of us that care- a picture of what a woman, or any man, can do with passion and integrity. She s saying "y'all didn't take me too seriously now did you?" 

It's not that I don't want it. It's literally to me like true loss. Heavy loss. Like I can't begin to even understand what could drive her so far away from what she poured her heart into and shared with others. Like which part of that could not matter all of a sudden. To do it like this would be some dark cabaret with no one in on the joke except people who will make money. 

Ahh

I shouldn't write about this topic anymore. 

 

[giskardsb 12,565]

2 hours ago, not asher613 said:

 

If it ends this way she's taking back the most important thing she gave to any of us that care- a picture of what a woman, or any man, can do with passion and integrity. 

 

She's still showing you that but many fans refuse to see it because what she is showing doesn't match the Gaga god they've created.

Sometimes this fanbase makes me think of this.  You've all created a golden effigy of Gaga that you loved, which is cherished more than the real woman herself.  

 

[not asher613 661]

3 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

She's still showing you that but many fans refuse to see it because what she is showing doesn't match the Gaga god they've created.

Sometimes this fanbase makes me think of this.  You've all created a golden effigy of Gaga that you loved, which is cherished more than the real woman herself.  

 

I think you're partly right. She was a pop idol but she also worked @ss hard to push boundaries and reinvent herself constantly. People didn't make that up. She worked really hard at that. And she earned herself a place, against odds for a pop singer, as authentic. 

Right now I see her doing 'joanne' plain American, southern twang, generic artist (sometimes gaga ) and it's probably not the favga of monsters, but if she steps off from here to LA celebrity life, and doesn't transition to the next iteration then she's basically saying- you saw the fake one, and that's who I really am. And I mean, wtf, who's buying that? but there she goes and that's what's real.

Money is not a good enough answer, I'm sorry, but that's the only one we'd get. And then people who try to see more WILL be deluding themself. And her monsters were being played? It is uncomfortable to think about. It will make money happy. Also our generation will lose something of great value. Something precious. She is our north star. She is how many creative individuals know that expressing yourself is a value worth living by just to be alive in the continual process of becoming you. 

[shmal96 2,928]

She never left 

[not asher613 661]

17 hours ago, shmal96 said:

She never left 

I agree with this. I just have anxiety about it. Asib is a showcase for her talent and songwriting abilities and it fits right in with jojoga. Theres no reason to necessarily freak out ahead of time. Really it's those "I always wanted to be an actress," interviews that worry me. Like, wut? All the passion we see is just part of the act?

[God Control 2,181]

On 8/11/2017 at 5:51 PM, giskardsb said:

Perfect post explaining basically why I hate the pop industry, lol.  Now Obviously everybody has their own tastes and what they look for from entertainers and musicians.  For me personally, the pop industry (and fan) de-valuation of musicality and actual talent is what dooms pop stars to short careers.   Pop is all about what is striking peoples fancy at the moment, and the moment rarely lasts very long.   It's a brutal game to see how long you can maintain the attention of people with short attention spans.   This is not a healthy environment for true artists and has literally killed a number of them.

So I'm glad Gaga is distancing herself from that mess.  I want her to have a long and varied career because to me the number one characteristic of Gaga is her fantastic voice and that she is a true musician.  I don't care about "pop stars."  I care about musicians.  Gaga is good at the avant-garde thing and shock and all that but to me thats simply frosting on the cake.  Gaga's voice is gold, she has things to say, and she is a real musician that likes to work with real musicians.  As long as she focuses on herself as an artist, then I will be always interested in seeing what she is up to.  And if she needs to break away from the stress and money vipers of the pop industry to do that effectively, then I'm all in.   I'd rather have a long and steady career from her than be witnessing another Amy Winehouse moment.   I'm not sure fans here actually realize how close to that she was coming.  Just be glad Gaga had Papa Joe and Cynthia around instead of Amy's parents who themselves relied on her as a money making machine.

 

 

I love the fact that Gaga experiments with new genres and styles. That's something valuable and shows so much of her talent rather than a one dimensional image of a typical pop star that will disappear after a few years. But what I was trying to say is that when she strays away from mainstream music for long enough then she might not even be able to make enough budget for a tour that any of the fans here might enjoy, or even a memorable music video.

Many indie singers make great music videos, that's for sure, but judging by Lady Gaga's team, there doesn't seem to be much talent behind her beside her own visions that many times were hindered by decisions from higher ups. She promised so many projects that should've been made but weren't because she probably didn't get an approval to continue to do so. Currently she's working for a big label, and that's great for her. But with all the budget her team gets now as a big artist, her team is still not efficient enough to use it to produce something that matches her status and level.

I've seen so many indie artists who film, direct and star in their own music videos and films and do a much better job than Gaga's latest videos. On the other hand, Gaga's latest visuals seem to obviously lack the vision, the narrative, the beauty, the style, the sophistication and the outlook that high budget singer is known for. So I don't know what to think of that. She's acting like an indie singer without being one and she's neither nailing it as this nor as that and it's mainly her team that is either standing in her way with their terrible management techniques, lack of vision or lack of creative minds that help materialize her ideas.

I wouldn't jump to conclusion and say that she was dying or something, because we don't know that. But I'm glad she's alright now, or so she seems. Yet I think when she focuses on making something more marketable or more relatable to the general public, which doesn't have to be bubblegum pop, by the way, she can create something outstanding, original and without burying her capabilities.

I hear many people who say that it's great to experiment on new genres, and I agree, it is definitely great, but not every genre works for every singer/artist. I wouldn't want new age music or electronic music from Metallica, to be honest, nor do I want Bjork to sing country. I mean of course they can do it, but it's hard to swallow and rarely well-done. You can make something with few influences from here and there or an album majorly driven by a specific style but it dooms a singer when something starts getting marketed as "Gaga's new metal album". I mean most metal people are of a largely different mindset from Gaga's fan base, many of them might not even swallow the fact that she's singing their favorite genre because her image in their minds is a different thing which many may not like, and if it works, it won't be near the level of success of anything else. On the other hand, her own fan base is also of a different mentality from say metal music fans, which is gonna make it hard for them to relate because music is and the subjects of lyrics are strongly linked to the attitude and genre by which a singer performs it, so that too might affect what types of people can relate to the things she sings about. I mean can you imagine Donatella song performed as a Metal track? I don't think so. I mean she can do it as a remix, but to sell it as a metal song about Versace and fashion modeling, it wouldn't work. So Gaga's fans, or at least the majority of people who like Gaga for her music, looks and the things she sings about won't relate, not only because it's a new genre, but because it's also a new subject that she's singing about and not the type of things they like to hear about.

Of course, anyone's free to like her or dislike her. She doesn't have to put herself into a mold to please everyone, but like I said the very fact that she made her current tour more about past hits and the fact that she release a random pop song, The Cure out of the blue is because she realizes that she cannot move on from being a commercial singer because she cannot sustain her career as an indie artist, no matter how much she likes the idea and the freedom of it.