Back to the forums, no longer a Gaga fan and why

[JustaMonster 4,909]

16 minutes ago, Doot said:

Correct, the amount that she would have sold without the promotion has been spoken about by her label and such several times since then. 800K is crazy high.

 

I think she is just over it. This fanbase seemed to really want a dance/pop record, and she gave us Joanne. If anything (this is a joke), we need to start telling her to make the opposite of what we actually want.

Didnt she say in an interview that she likes to rebel against what other people want from her and the more people try to push her in one direction the more she wants to go somewhere completely different?  So maybe we do need to start doing that 

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8 hours ago, M Monstre said:

First of all, thank you for making a civilized post and not just spewing things like "Joanne sucks! Where is the pop album?!" 

While I respect your opinion, I'd say I disagree, to some extent.

Well, before I get to my points, I'd also like to say that I appreciate that you were/are mature about this situation. You left because Gaga, at this time, isn't interesting to you, and that's absolutely fine, it's better than just spewing nothing but hate. If you aren't interested, you have every right to leave, and come back when something interests you

First, I'll agree with you on the promotional side. There wasn't much, especially for Perfect Illusion, but I personally feel like she didn't want it as the first single, I think she wanted A-YO as the lead (but that's just my own speculation and a different topic for another day).

But, I'd disagree with you when you say there's no message. Overall, I don't think there's a solid message, yes, but I think individually they all have unique and deeply personal messages. Gaga stated earlier in the era that Joanne was "Lady Gaga without the fame," which I think is the message of the album. Joanne is deeply personal and she shares some of the most intimate and thoughtful songs on the album, in my opinion (Joanne, Come to Mama, Sinner's Prayer, Angel Down, Diamond Heart, etc.).

Also, I think we'll have to wait and see what she does in the future. People are just assuming that she's going to stick with this "Joanne, country/folk" route, and that could be true, but I don't think so. Gaga's a chameleon in the music industry and she is versatile with what she can do and at this point, we can't speculate what she's going to do. I mean, people thought for LG5 we would get a pop/disco/rock album, but that definitely wasn't the case. Perhaps the next thing she'll do is something you'll like

I agree with ths 100%^^

[Doot 2]

12 minutes ago, prince said:

The promotion schedule is a different story especially when you take into consideration how much Gaga didn't like it and also how much her albums were promoted back then because she was relatively new. Gaga has been in the public sphere for almost ten years, every one of her albums will have hype promotion or no promotion purely because of her name. A promotion schedule doesn't show off someones drive to create; Gaga is getting older and more mature, she's past conquering the world and being the biggest pop star ever and whatever happened in her career that was going to happen one day. You can't say there's no drive when she's accomplishing everything she set out to do, be successful in music and be an actress. 

I totally understand that she hated promoting as much as she did for the first few albums, that I can respect. I am sure that is exhausting. I know for me, personally, it's the scaled back interaction that she has with her fans as of late. I understand that the fans can be ****ing crazy, and that would probably drive me nuts if people only came up to me for a picture instead of a conversation. I just hope she gets how glaring the difference seems to be occasionally. And there are ways to still appease your fans without having to promote physically or whatnot. It bothered me that she started putting out the Making of Joanne videos and just flat out STOPPED after the second one. I mean, all of the footage exists, so why not just have someone on the team whip the rest of them up and release them? 

Just because she doesn't wear crazy outfits 24/7 and she's not always in a radio or television studio promoting something doesn't mean she's got no drive. This era is stripped back and yet she's still killing it and showcasing how Gaga she can be. 

Maybe I am just confused, but the Gaga brand up until Cheek to Cheek was crazy outfits 24/7. The two were synonymous. I agree with you that that doesn't display a lack of drive. 

 

 

[Doot 2]

9 minutes ago, JustaMonster said:

Didnt she say in an interview that she likes to rebel against what other people want from her and the more people try to push her in one direction the more she wants to go somewhere completely different?  So maybe we do need to start doing that 

Lol, yup, she says it all the time 

[merlot 5,772]

couldn't have said it better 

Joanne is definitely my least fav album by her but i'm still here cuz i freaking love her so much 

[Whispering 18,865]

17 minutes ago, Doot said:

The first line of your post seems very cold, and I am not sure why. No, I do not represent the entire fanbase. It's a FACT though, that before Joanne dropped, the vast majority of this website was talking about how excited they were for a new pop/dance album. Now that, is a solid fact. 

 

But to the last two sentences of your post, I agree. People want different things, and Gaga should simply make the music she wants instead of catering to people.

The "vast majority" of the fanbase isn't this website. GGD =/= Gaga's fanbase. 

Also, there were several polls here before this last album and the responses were all over the place. Not everyone here wants dance pop for every album. Many here do enjoy getting different genres of music from Gaga! I enjoy being surprised!  

[prince 4,688]

2 minutes ago, Doot said:

 

I do get what you're saying and I think the irritating thing is we have no idea what's going on in her head. I know that sounds dumb but to us there was a jump from crazy outfits to more subdued looks (probably due to change of stylist) and HUGE interaction with fans to not a lot and I wonder if she notices that huge jump. I think we see the Gaga brand is one thing and she views it as another and that's why we sometimes feel let down. 

I partly think that she's finding her footing again, ten years into her career and she's making so many changes and finding different paths to follow it's like she's working out a route to go down and that route will be a long one. 

[Doot 2]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

The "vast majority" of the fanbase isn't this website. GGD =/= Gaga's fanbase. 

Also, there were several polls here before this last album and the responses were all over the place. Not everyone here wants dance pop for every album. Many here do enjoy getting different genres of music from Gaga! I enjoy being surprised!  

Well, I apologize. I'll make sure next time that I do an official census of Lady Gaga fans before I make a statement regarding what is already well known. 

[Mr S 8,672]

38 minutes ago, Swine said:

 Nobody cares that 4 from Beyoncé sold less than ARTPOP, etc.

Since when? 4 is at 3.5 million worlwide, ARTPOP is at 2.5 million.

[Doot 2]

9 minutes ago, prince said:

I do get what you're saying and I think the irritating thing is we have no idea what's going on in her head. I know that sounds dumb but to us there was a jump from crazy outfits to more subdued looks (probably due to change of stylist) and HUGE interaction with fans to not a lot and I wonder if she notices that huge jump. I think we see the Gaga brand is one thing and she views it as another and that's why we sometimes feel let down. 

I partly think that she's finding her footing again, ten years into her career and she's making so many changes and finding different paths to follow it's like she's working out a route to go down and that route will be a long one. 

Now, this is just my personal opinion and interpretation of things, but I think he view and desires towards being famous and making music has drastically changed versus when she first started. She puts on a face to the fans (and this is in no way implying she is being fake) but we often find out that what is going on behind the scenes tells a different story. She repeatedly said in interviews (and during live shows) over the course of her career how much she loved being out there promoting, being on the grind, etc. But then we later find out she hated promoting. She was known as the artist  that had a deep, intimate connection with her fans, and loved meeting them. But then she says in an interview how she hates that people just want to take pictures with her, and no one talks to her like a normal person, and how she misses how things were before she was famous. She literally was talking about how for this album she was reconciling missing her life before the fame DURING Monday's tour date. I think she was in a rough position between being in pain and hating the non-stop craziness, to not wanting her fans to worry or be disappointed. 

I too, just like you, wonder if she notices that. I am sure she does, she is extremely intelligent and whether it is her specifically or her team, she has a general idea of what goes on within the fanbase. She would have to, as it is probably part of the team that supports her via Interscope. That is what a record company does, they are going to check to see what the reaction from both general public and fans is. To me, she is probably just scared to talk freely about it because some fans will cause backlash. 

 

I am sure in the future we will get more over the top conceptual albums, and probably more tame Joanne-esque albums. It is all part of the ride. 

[dit 46,417]

You just worded how I'm starting to feel. I'm not at that point you are at yet but I think I'm getting there. For me it is for different reasons. For me it's the fact that it seems she may have lost her drive for visuals. only 5 pop mvs in 6 years is uncomprehendable to me. Only Adele out of her contemporaries has done that and it is because Adele was never about visuals. Everyone else makes more mvs (and as of recently better ones). The only thing holding me to her still is my nostalgia but also the music. I (unlike yourself) adore the music on Joanne (most of it). So I guess this is why I have not reached your point yet. But I 100% understand why you are there. Hopefully LG6 (which will probably come late 2019 or early 2020 so we still have a long way to go) is more to your liking  

[giskardsb 12,565]

27 minutes ago, Doot said:

Maybe I am just confused, but the Gaga brand up until Cheek to Cheek was crazy outfits 24/7. The two were synonymous. I agree with you that that doesn't display a lack of drive. 

 

14 minutes ago, prince said:

think we see the Gaga brand is one thing and she views it as another and that's why we sometimes feel let down. 

 

Gaga is the one in control of her brand, not fans.  That original version of the Gaga brand burned her out physically and mentally.  Fans had the 24/7 show for almost 5 years, it's beyond time to let that go.

 

[gagajandro25 6,103]

Interesting, but I could never understand unstanning Gaga. It's a journey to be a fan of hers, and you simply have to buckle up for the ride 

[Doot 2]

8 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

 

 

Gaga is the one in control of her brand, not fans.  That original version of the Gaga brand burned her out physically and mentally.  Fans had the 24/7 show for almost 5 years, it's beyond time to let that go.

 

No one is arguing that. 

[juju 18,907]

Just kidding  I don't agree, but everyone's entitled to their opinions. This era was absolutely needed for me and honestly is one of the most special things she's ever done in her career. It was raw, new, fresh, and felt right for me. I've loved this era: after all, it's what lead to me joining GGD, shortly after Perfect Illusion dropped. The on/off/on again tone that many fans here have had reflects your sentiments, and it's sad that not everyone had the same experience as me, but still - we all go through life and experience things in different ways. I'm sure you can still stan an artist without being obsessed with what they're currently doing. This is just one point in time. The grand scheme of things, Gaga is still Gaga: it's her identity to define. I'm not sure we even fully know what she's capable of.