dannydevito 10,658 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Tokyo Rose said: how thoughtful thank u Spoiler its the truth tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Joanne is intensely personal. It's an introspective album. Gaga is looking into herself, what causes her to be the way she is, both good and bad. What makes her relationships the way they are. The strengths, and pain, of deep relationships. The influences of family and family history on your own personal development. The deep need for friends and companionship. It's deep and internal. But the fact is that many Gaga fans really have no desire to look underneath the burqa. Their loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, giskardsb said: Joanne is intensely personal. It's an introspective album. Gaga is looking into herself, what causes her to be the way she is, both good and bad. What makes her relationships the way they are. The strengths, and pain, of deep relationships. The influences of family and family history on your own personal development. The deep need for friends and companionship. It's deep and internal. But the fact is that many Gaga fans really have no desire to look underneath the burqa. Their loss. It's a conceptual mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Swine said: It's a conceptual mess. its her most cohesive album thematically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, giskardsb said: its her most cohesive album thematically. I completely disagree, but I respect your opinion. No album with songs about dying and losing family and friends should have a track about masturbating, but that's just a small problem for me. TF/TFM, BTW and ARTPOP are way more cohesive than Joanne. But like I said, we agree to disagree and that's fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, giskardsb said: It's deep and internal. But the fact is that many Gaga fans really have no desire to look underneath the burqa. Their loss. Or maybe we did look under the Burqa, but we saw something we didn't like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Swine said: Hey everyone So yesterday I came back to Gagadaily to check some news about the tour, and I found myself missing the forum and you guys. A few years have passed I probably don't even recognize most of you. But anyway, hey cuties. So yes, I am just going to write a lot of stuff that has happened, because it kind of saddens me, but this is not coming from a place of hate, so don't come for me, I'm very neutral at this point, when it comes to Gaga. I truly hope you guys don't think like: "yeah another bashing thread, nobody cares, leave her alone", this is not that, I'm just sharing what I feel after not being in the fanbase for some time now. Sorry if I make mistakes. I'm Portuguese, I've moved to Sweden to work as a dentist, learned Swedish and I am currently studying Norwegian, so my English became way worse than it was. I found myself in the middle of the forums thinking: wow, things have changed quite a lot since my times here. I had the feeling the fanbase was not even the same. So I wondered if what happened to me, happened to most of the people that were here from the beginning. I was (?) a Gaga fan since 2009/2010. And what a time to be a Gaga fan, tbh. We had new photos and outfits every other day, new shows, new interviews, new photoshoots, unreleased material. Like it was truly amazing, there was stuff being released almost all the time. I remember very well the promotional campaign for Born This Way. The wait for the album, when it leaked 1 week before the release and still managed to sell 1.2 million copies, the iconic cover that everybody hates. It was so prolific. It was almost too much, but everyone loved it. Then came ARTPOP, a complete turn in terms of sound, but still Gaga. Visuals, outfits, probably the best tour of her life. Even though it had some bumps here and there, it was still a pleasant ride, and while I feel sorry for Gaga (because of management issues), I still think she got a lot of nerve and drive out of it, so it made the Era even more special. But mostly, what made Gaga stand out back then was her insane drive and will to change the game. Not just pop music, but the world. She was so "preachy" and so secure of her art back then. And the b*tch always had her talent to back it up. She didn't need to rub in everyone's face that she could sing or play the piano by releasing an acoustic album: she simply did it while playing pop music. She combined both worlds so well, it was truly amazing. And that was what made me stay, and come back to the forums everyday. Then came Joanne. Truth be told, I was expecting a less abrasive album with happier lyrics. I was here for it. It was a side from Gaga that we still didn't know quite well. But everyone still expected a message through the album that she would repeat over and over in her interviews. Everyone expected a new sound, something different for her that proved her versatility, but still risky and fresh. Everyone expected new outfits. Maybe not as extravagant, because everyone was kind of over it, but maybe something a little less "too much", more relaxed and stripped down, but still Gaga, still conveying a message, still on brand, still polished. And we got nothing like that. To me, Joanne is an album with barely no message (yeah, an homage to her aunt, but with songs about masturbation and guys in the middle). It didn't sound very fresh to me, and country sounded like a huge risk when it comes to every other market outside the US (maybe that's why I didn't like it). There were almost no interviews and no performances. No message at all. The promotional campaign was almost inexistent. There was nothing to follow or to discuss, really. So why stay around? Why follow someone who didn't impress me or represent me as much as she used to, at least during this fase of her career? The drive and the nerve didn't seem to be there anymore. I still appreciate a lot everything she did in the past. I have all the respect for that. But it feels like she wants to step back a little, like she wants to be more subtle and have a calmer life. And I can't blame her for it. But she can't blame me for not wanting to follow that anymore, or any other fan that does the same. In the words of wisdom by Tatianna: "Choices". Back then I thought like: "I would NEVER, EVER leave her, she represents everything that I want to be, she is fierce, she goes against everyone and she is not apologetic about it". Now it just feels sad, because that deep love for her that I had disappeared. Like now I have the money to buy the backstage pack, and I'm like: "yeah no, not now... If it was back in the BTW/ARTPOP Era, for sure, but not now". And I hope she proves me wrong in the future. I'm not salty about not loving Joanne, I knew someday there would come an album that I would like less (or not at all). I'm still here for her, anyway. Maybe not following every step, but still praying for that metal album. Yeah a song about masturbation REALLY didn't go with the theme. And I think the album is slightly pathetic since she never met her aunt. Soooo.... Here comes backlash comments.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tokyo Rose said: Or maybe we did look under the Burqa, but we saw something we didn't like lol this comment is kinda funny!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIex 3,102 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 hours ago, ryanripley said: @AIex now this is how you do an anti-joanne thread, without bashing pointless things I still stand by everything expressed in my thread and 100/10 agree with this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, AIex said: I still stand by everything expressed in my thread and 100/10 agree with this one https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
getto 1,552 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 28 minutes ago, dannydevito said: u sound like a very conservative, white republican reporter rofl this got me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Swine said: I completely disagree, but I respect your opinion. No album with songs about dying and losing family and friends should have a track about masturbating, but that's just a small problem for me. TF/TFM, BTW and ARTPOP are way more cohesive than Joanne. But like I said, we agree to disagree and that's fine. okay this i totally agree with it's always bothered me that one moment she's singing about dancing for money, then about her aunt, then about masturbation, then about love and falling out of love and then getting political at the end https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, JeremiJello said: Yeah a song about masturbation REALLY didn't go with the theme. And I think the album is slightly pathetic since she never met her aunt. Soooo.... Here comes backlash comments.... I wouldn't call it pathetic but I get where you are coming from. While I can recognize that she has some sort of special connection with her aunt, I have to admit that it sounds really stretched to write a song about someone you have never met. Or just make your whole album go around that person. I respect the homage, but it sounds a bit forced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, ryanripley said: okay this i totally agree with it's always bothered me that one moment she's singing about dancing for money, then about her aunt, then about masturbation, then about love and falling out of love and then getting political at the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,218 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Thank you for the story. That reminds me when guys saying, "it's not you, it's me" when they break up with somebody. Also, welcome back Spoiler (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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