Back to the forums, no longer a Gaga fan and why

[AJH219 4,448]

13 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

Nice variety from threads about bashing her and stuff. I can see your point, but one thing I cannot agree with is that this album has no message. It is about loneliness, about loss in your family, your friend dying of cancer, about what wrong happens in the world every day, not caring about people that are negative towards you, about supporting eachother, not compete with eachother, about peace in the world and what could human race achieve if it wasn't for conflicts and wars. It has multiple messages.

Yes to all of this. Joanne's themes are so relevant for today and it kills me most Monsters are too basic to truly understand  

[SHALLOW 16,427]

1 hour ago, Swine said:

Hey everyone 

 

So yesterday I came back to Gagadaily to check some news about the tour, and I found myself missing the forum and you guys. A few years have passed  I probably don't even recognize most of you. But anyway, hey cuties. So yes, I am just going to write a lot of stuff that has happened, because it kind of saddens me, but this is not coming from a place of hate, so don't come for me, I'm very neutral at this point, when it comes to Gaga. I truly hope you guys don't think like: "yeah another bashing thread, nobody cares, leave her alone", this is not that, I'm just sharing what I feel after not being in the fanbase for some time now. Sorry if I make mistakes. I'm Portuguese, I've moved to Sweden to work as a dentist, learned Swedish and I am currently studying Norwegian, so my English became way worse than it was.

 

I found myself in the middle of the forums thinking: wow, things have changed quite a lot since my times here. I had the feeling the fanbase was not even the same. So I wondered if what happened to me, happened to most of the people that were here from the beginning.

I was (?) a Gaga fan since 2009/2010. And what a time to be a Gaga fan, tbh. We had new photos and outfits every other day, new shows, new interviews, new photoshoots, unreleased material. Like it was truly amazing, there was stuff being released almost all the time. I remember very well the promotional campaign for Born This Way. The wait for the album, when it leaked 1 week before the release and still managed to sell 1.2 million copies, the iconic cover that everybody hates. It was so prolific. It was almost too much, but everyone loved it. Then came ARTPOP, a complete turn in terms of sound, but still Gaga. Visuals, outfits, probably the best tour of her life. Even though it had some bumps here and there, it was still a pleasant ride, and while I feel sorry for Gaga (because of management issues), I still think she got a lot of nerve and drive out of it, so it made the Era even more special.

But mostly, what made Gaga stand out back then was her insane drive and will to change the game. Not just pop music, but the world. She was so "preachy" and so secure of her art back then. And the b*tch always had her talent to back it up. She didn't need to rub in everyone's face that she could sing or play the piano by releasing an acoustic album: she simply did it while playing pop music. She combined both worlds so well, it was truly amazing. And that was what made me stay, and come back to the forums everyday.

Then came Joanne. Truth be told, I was expecting a less abrasive album with happier lyrics. I was here for it. It was a side from Gaga that we still didn't know quite well. But everyone still expected a message through the album that she would repeat over and over in her interviews. Everyone expected a new sound, something different for her that proved her versatility, but still risky and fresh. Everyone expected new outfits. Maybe not as extravagant, because everyone was kind of over it, but maybe something a little less "too much", more relaxed and stripped down, but still Gaga, still conveying a message, still on brand, still polished.

And we got nothing like that. To me, Joanne is an album with barely no message (yeah, an homage to her aunt, but with songs about masturbation and guys in the middle). It didn't sound very fresh to me, and country sounded like a huge risk when it comes to every other market outside the US (maybe that's why I didn't like it). There were almost no interviews and no performances. No message at all. The promotional campaign was almost inexistent. There was nothing to follow or to discuss, really. So why stay around? Why follow someone who didn't impress me or represent me as much as she used to, at least during this fase of her career? The drive and the nerve didn't seem to be there anymore. I still appreciate a lot everything she did in the past. I have all the respect for that. But it feels like she wants to step back a little, like she wants to be more subtle and have a calmer life. And I can't blame her for it. But she can't blame me for not wanting to follow that anymore, or any other fan that does the same. In the words of wisdom by Tatianna: "Choices". Back then I thought like: "I would NEVER, EVER leave her, she represents everything that I want to be, she is fierce, she goes against everyone and she is not apologetic about it". Now it just feels sad, because that deep love for her that I had disappeared. Like now I have the money to buy the backstage pack, and I'm like: "yeah no, not now... If it was back in the BTW/ARTPOP Era, for sure, but not now". And I hope she proves me wrong in the future. I'm not salty about not loving Joanne, I knew someday there would come an album that I would like less (or not at all). I'm still here for her, anyway. Maybe not following every step, but still praying for that metal album.

I totally agree with you except that i love Joanne even tho i need to admit it has basically no message and the songs probably have nothing in common with her aunt's life. I don't think i can leave her tho because i need ARTPOP Act II. And i'm gonna check this site multiple times a day if it's necessary to be able to have it one day 

[pedrohemg 7,802]

I don't get this "message" nonsense. You said you was a fan of hers between 2009/2010 and that it was great. But, what kinda message do songs like Paparazzi, Bad Romance, Poker Face, Just Dance, Love Game, Alejandro, Telephone have? Com'on! It's better if you say you don't like her anymore only because she's tired of being crazy and decided to live a more quiet life than the message excuse.

[Swine 504]

34 minutes ago, Emigrante said:

Nice variety from threads about bashing her and stuff. I can see your point, but one thing I cannot agree with is that this album has no message. It is about loneliness, about loss in your family, your friend dying of cancer, about what wrong happens in the world every day, not caring about people that are negative towards you, about supporting eachother, not compete with eachother, about peace in the world and what could human race achieve if it wasn't for conflicts and wars. It has multiple messages.

 

Yes, I can see that  Maybe what I meant was the an overall message/theme that goes through all the songs. Like TFM was about fears, BTW was about identity, ARTPOP was about knowing her...

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

4 minutes ago, Swine said:

Yes, I can see that  Maybe what I meant was the an overall message/theme that goes through all the songs. Like TFM was about fears, BTW was about identity, ARTPOP was about knowing her...

I think Joanne definitely strays from her previous albums, which were very conceptual (Fame + Fears, Identity + Acceptance, Art + Expression). Joanne plays more broadly with concepts and isn't so tightly bound to just one or two, which is some of what made Gaga's previous albums so fun, but at the same time...a lot of us were ready for her to not restrict herself.

I personally love Joanne and can only highly respect your opinion. You gave the album a chance and it wasn't for you and it's really hard when an artist you love makes something that you just can't love no matter how much you try! It really is a crappy situation. But you handled it with class by simply taking a 'pass' this era, rather than suffering through it with frustration and, in doing so, hurting the experience for other fans who were able to find things they really loved or connected to within Joanne (like some people on this site have done). So thank you! 

[Lee Ng 1,490]

12 hours ago, Swine said:

 Then came ARTPOP, a complete turn in terms of sound, but still Gaga. Visuals, outfits, probably the best tour of her life. Even though it had some bumps here and there, it was still a pleasant ride, and while I feel sorry for Gaga (because of management issues), I still think she got a lot of nerve and drive out of it, so it made the Era even more special.

But mostly, what made Gaga stand out back then was her insane drive and will to change the game. Not just pop music, but the world. She was so "preachy" and so secure of her art back then. And the b*tch always had her talent to back it up. She didn't need to rub in everyone's face that she could sing or play the piano by releasing an acoustic album: she simply did it while playing pop music. She combined both worlds so well, it was truly amazing. And that was what made me stay, and come back to the forums everyday.

 

I don't want to be bitter, BUT after visiting your profile , having a look at your thread " Gaga's egocentrism making her flop" in 2013 and at the statement above in 2017 which praised ARTPOP and ha "PREACHY AND SECURITY" aka EGOCENTRISM,  I realize something : 

- She couldn't , can't and will ever please everyone. 

- As a rule and as some members here have said, you will acknowledge the value of her works after a long period of time.

-Also, it seems that real artists always cause criticism , purposely or unintentionally( but mostly the latter). And the reason is always down to the fact that THEY HAVE TO CHANGE , as a person and as an artist. Gaga depends on her real emotions and feelings to convey her music and message. However , she is still " that BITCH" who is secure , stubborn and able to stick with her gun no matter what people say about her.

In conclusion, I respect your decision of leaving, but I just want to point out some interesting points 

[Lee Ng 1,490]

4 minutes ago, IndieKylie said:

I think Joanne definitely strays from her previous albums, which were very conceptual (Fame + Fears, Identity + Acceptance, Art + Expression). Joanne plays more broadly with concepts and isn't so tightly bound to just one or two, which is some of what made Gaga's previous albums so fun, but at the same time...a lot of us were ready for her to not restrict herself.

She already said at the beginning " Joanne was not an conceptual album, It's an autobiographic one " 

[nattuggla 21,799]

6 minutes ago, Swine said:

 

Yes, I can see that  Maybe what I meant was the an overall message/theme that goes through all the songs. Like TFM was about fears, BTW was about identity, ARTPOP was about knowing her...

Gaga said from the beginning that this album won't be a conceptual album and she made this album for her family, for her friends and especially for herself. I see this album as dealing with issues to "heal".

But I doubt that Joanne will be an indication what path will she take in her future. It was just another stop and she can do something different in her future which can be more appealing to you and other fans. 

[Swine 504]

1 minute ago, Lee Ng said:

I don't want to be bitter, BUT after visiting your profile , having a look at your thread " Gaga's egocentrism making her flop" in 2013 and at the statement above which praised ARTPOP and ha "PREACHY AND SECURITY" aka EGOCENTRISM,  I realize something : 

- She couldn't , can't and will ever please everyone. 

- As a rule and as some members here has said, you will acknowledge the value of her work after a long period of time.

-Also, it seems that real artists always cause criticism , purposely or unintentionally( but mostly the latter). And the reason is always down to the fact that THEY HAVE TO CHANGE , as a person and as an artist. Gaga depends on her real emotions and feelings to convey her music and message. However , she is still " that BITCH" who is secure , stubborn and able to stick with her gun no matter what people say about her.

In conclusion, I respect your decision of leaving, but I just want to point out some interesting points 

Yeah, people grow a lot in 4 years, you know. Don't know where you are trying to go by searching through my profile in order to go against my neutral opinion now, but that's okei 

Like I said in my post, there were a lot of problems with ARTPOP, but it was still full of energy and drive. She was very stubborn and her management f*cked the era, but it is still a nice album.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

Just now, Lee Ng said:

She already said at the beginning " Joanne was not an conceptual album, It's an autobiographic one " 

I know, I was responding to further comments and just elaborating on my own view points, as someone who, after ARTPOP, did want Gaga to not restrict herself so strictly to conceptual albums.

[Swine 504]

1 minute ago, Lee Ng said:

She already said at the beginning " Joanne was not an conceptual album, It's an autobiographic one " 

That's the thing. Is it really autobiographic, tho? I would totally get that if she went a lot deeper. A few songs in the album sound really personal, but others don't really. How is DIC autobiographic?  Would you write about your masturbation sessions in your autobiography? It just doesn't fit. But I respect your opinion. 

[KleinGa 18,177]

Same thing happened to me during C2C era, I still loved her but didn't like that era. But I left her to do what she had to do and came back once it was over. I just gradually shifted back without even realising it....

[Ashley 9,518]

13 minutes ago, Swine said:

That's the thing. Is it really autobiographic, tho? I would totally get that if she went a lot deeper. A few songs in the album sound really personal, but others don't really. How is DIC autobiographic?  Would you write about your masturbation sessions in your autobiography? It just doesn't fit. But I respect your opinion. 

It's not just about masturbation. It's about loneliness and learning to be happy alone.

[Swine 504]

1 minute ago, modern ecstasy said:

It's not just about masturbation. It's about loneliness and learning to be happy alone.

It's pretty obvious that it is about female masturbation  the tittle itself is a metaphor for female masturbation. And some verses are almost too clear:

- I lay around, touch myself to pass the time

- Up full night tryin' to rub the pain out

- Dancin' in circles, feels good to be lonely

- Swirl around as if I'm someone else
Your hands are mine
I do a trick
Pretend that I am you until it clicks
I come alive

- All the things that are on my mind
Vanish as I touch myself

[Ashley 9,518]

Just now, Swine said:

It's pretty obvious that it is about female masturbation  the tittle itself is a metaphor for female masturbation. And some verses are almost too clear:

- I lay around, touch myself to pass the time

- Up full night tryin' to rub the pain out

- Dancin' in circles, feels good to be lonely

- Swirl around as if I'm someone else
Your hands are mine
I do a trick
Pretend that I am you until it clicks
I come alive

- All the things that are on my mind
Vanish as I touch myself

Oh no I wasn't saying it's not about masturbation . Just that I interpreted it with multiple meanings as many of Gaga's songs have.