UK Charts Discussion - Track "Applause" here!

[Jase 13,065]

iTunes update

 

01. Mirrors - Justin Timberlake

02. When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars

03. Pompeii - Bastille

04. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

05. One Way or Another (Teenage Kicks) - One Direction
06. I Could Be the One (Nicktim Radio Edit) - Avicii & Nicky Romero

07. Ready or Not - Bridgit Mendler

08. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

09. Harlem Shake - Baauer

10. Reload (feat. Chip) [Radio Edit] - Wiley

 

11. White Noise (feat. AlunaGeorge) - Disclosure

12. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift
13. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna

14. Army of Two - Olly Murs
15. Clown - Emeli Sandé

16. Everywhere - Fleetwood Mac

17. Only Love - Ben Howard
18. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake

19. Explosions - Ellie Goulding
20. Ho Hey - The Lumineers

 

21. Skyfall - Adele

22. If You Could See Me Now - The Script

23. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars

24. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris

25. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal

26. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am

27. Chocolate - The 1975

28. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

29. I Knew You Were Trouble - Taylor Swift

30. Change Your Life - Little Mix

 

31. My Songs Know What You Did In the Dark (Light Em Up) - Fall Out Boy

32. Angel - Sarah McLachlan

33. Please Don't Say You Love Me - Gabrielle Aplin

34. Started from the Bottom - Drake

35. Indian Summer - Stereophonics

36. Kiss You - One Direction

37. I Will Wait - Mumford & Sons

38. Clarity (feat. Foxes) - Zedd

39. Teenage Dirtbag - Wheatus

40. Impossible - James Arthur

 

Bubbling Under

 

63. Mercy (feat. Big Sean, Pusha T & 2 Chainz) - Kanye West
67. Seen It All - Jake Bugg
75. C'mon - Ke$ha

96. Daylight - Maroon 5

[Harry 26,836]

A song can be completely different from what's popular and still be boring. There's all different ways of being boring.

 

No, my definition of bland fits with the dictionary definition - boring, mundane, unremarkable. Of course, applying that tag to music is going to be subjective, but then, judging music is always subjective. In the case of Mirrors, I feel it's a song that meanders on with no purpose, it doesn't build up to anything, the lyrics are textbook and it's like Justin made a bet that he could get the song over the 8 minute mark because his new work seems to be unnecessarily long for the sheer hell of it. And I wish people would stop using retorts like "So says the person with a Lana signature." I find Lana's lyrics and musical compositions to be absolutely sublime and head and shoulders above everything else right now. If people don't agree with me, that's their opinion, but clearly if I'm talking about bland music while I'm a Lana fan, it means that my view of bland differs from yours. It feels like having a Lana signature around here is akin to having a Kick me sticker on your back.

 

Of course I'll slate stuff I dislike - music is there to be judged. But of course music's subjective and I never said my word was gospel. But it would be silly to put a disclaimer above everything I say with the words "This is just my opinion." I figure that should always be a given. I like reviewing music and unfortunately, a lot of the music around right now is not doing for me, so I'll be rather disgruntled. Is it really wrong of me to express that? As regards Justin, I'm disappointed that an artist so talented has lowered themselves to such soul-less, cliche music.

 

I'm a huge fan of Lana so don't even go there it was simply an example because I know you are a fan. I could've said Gaga or anyone. But as per your over dramatic defense about her maybe you can understand where I'm coming from when I defend claims that Mirrors is soul-less and cliche because I have seen the exact same claims about Lana on this site and others, that she is just a manufactured product that follows a blueprint - whatever. ANYTHING can be made out to be stereotypical, cliche and try hard if you make it out to be. Doesn't mean it is.

 

But when hasn't Justin had long songs? On FS/LS there are only 3 songs that are less than 5 minutes. I can get why people don't like longer songs but it isn't like that's something new for him.

 

The point is you just seem to get really bitter and 'pressed' over artists you don't like that are successful and completely lay into them but if someone goes after Lana you think it's completely unfair? I just don't think it's worth your time getting so wound up, that's all.

[Harry 26,836]

Single Sales

 

1 Justin Timberlake 85,918
2 Bastille 72,314
3 One Direction 68,056 (180,672)
4 Macklemore/Ryan Lewis/Wanz 56,841 (365,489)
5 Avicii/Nicky Romero 45,883 (190,735)
6 Taylor Swift 45,569 (560,435)
7 Bruno Mars 45,049
8 Baauer 40,010 (151,420)
9 Wiley/Chip 35,979
10 P!nk/Nate Ruess 29,362

 

 

14 Adele 22,025
19 Olly Murs 18,598
26 The Script 11,566
29 Zedd/Foxes 10,452
32 Laura Mvula 9,960
39 Paramore 8,840

 

Album Sales

 

1 Emeli Sande 38,929 (1,659,761 digital sales: 402,998)

2 Mumford & Sons 22,746 (688,507)
3 Les Miserables 21,594 (271,871)
4 Ben Howard 18,530 (380,903)
5 Atoms For Peace 16,194
6 Bruno Mars 15,479
7 Jake Bugg 15,049 (342,839)
8 Michael Ball 13,534
9 Josh Groban 13,291
10 Johnny Marr 11,747

11 Palma Violets 10,804

13 Taylor Swift 9,951
24 Petula Clark 6,394
28 Steven Wilson 5,746

 

41 Kirsty MacColl 3,375
42 Glee Cast 3,107
53 Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons 2,502
54 Caitlin Rose 2,410
55 Hillsong United 2,367
64 Mogwai 2,089

[Jase 13,065]

160,600 - Justin Timberlake ft Jay-Z - Suit & Tie
155,800 - Justin Timberlake - Mirrors

 

Mirrors nearly outselling S&T already

[SomethingMore 1,701]

160,600 - Justin Timberlake ft Jay-Z - Suit & Tie

155,800 - Justin Timberlake - Mirrors

 

Mirrors nearly outselling S&T already

 

I can see them both going platinum.

[Jase 13,065]

iTunes update

 

01. Mirrors - Justin Timberlake

02. When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars

03. Pompeii - Bastille

04. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

05. I Could Be the One (Nicktim Radio Edit) - Avicii & Nicky Romero

06. One Way or Another (Teenage Kicks) - One Direction

07. Ready or Not - Bridgit Mendler

08. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

09. Reload (feat. Chip) [Radio Edit] - Wiley

10. White Noise (feat. AlunaGeorge) - Disclosure

 

11. Harlem Shake - Baauer

12. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift

13. Army of Two - Olly Murs
14. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna

15. Everywhere - Fleetwood Mac

16. Explosions - Ellie Goulding
17. Ho Hey - The Lumineers

18. Clown - Emeli Sandé

19. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake

20. Only Love - Ben Howard

 

21. If You Could See Me Now - The Script

22. Chocolate - The 1975

23. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal

24. Skyfall - Adele

25. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars

26. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris

27. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

28. My Songs Know What You Did In the Dark (Light Em Up) - Fall Out Boy

29. Started from the Bottom - Drake

30. Please Don't Say You Love Me - Gabrielle Aplin

 

31. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am

32. Change Your Life - Little Mix

33. People Help the People - Birdy

34. I Will Wait - Mumford & Sons

35. I Knew You Were Trouble - Taylor Swift

36. Kiss You - One Direction

37. Clarity (feat. Foxes) - Zedd

38. Impossible - James Arthur

39. Indian Summer - Stereophonics

40. Teenage Dirtbag - Wheatus

 

Bubbling Under

 

63. Seen It All - Jake Bugg

68. Daylight - Maroon 5
74. C'mon - Ke$ha

[Harry 26,836]

I'm surprised Bruno hasn't overtaken Justin by now. I expect it will happen within the next couple of days at least. The Brits version of Mirrors is trailing off but it still gives him a +10% lead.

 

Does anyone think 1D is still with a chance of getting back to #1 after Comic Relief?

[StrawberryBlond 14,267]

I'm a huge fan of Lana so don't even go there it was simply an example because I know you are a fan. I could've said Gaga or anyone. But as per your over dramatic defense about her maybe you can understand where I'm coming from when I defend claims that Mirrors is soul-less and cliche because I have seen the exact same claims about Lana on this site and others, that she is just a manufactured product that follows a blueprint - whatever. ANYTHING can be made out to be stereotypical, cliche and try hard if you make it out to be. Doesn't mean it is.

 

But when hasn't Justin had long songs? On FS/LS there are only 3 songs that are less than 5 minutes. I can get why people don't like longer songs but it isn't like that's something new for him.

 

The point is you just seem to get really bitter and 'pressed' over artists you don't like that are successful and completely lay into them but if someone goes after Lana you think it's completely unfair? I just don't think it's worth your time getting so wound up, that's all.

I think most of the criticisms of Lana mostly come from people misinterpreting her work and not understanding that it's satire and concept art. Plenty of male artists take on characters and make a concept album around it and they don't get hate for some reason. It's easy to have a negative opinion of something that you don't understand. I like to think I research music very well, though, so i can give the best possible view of it. I won't say something's soul-less or cliche just because I don't like it - it's a conclusion I'll have reached after a--lysing the lyrics. Yes, anything can be made out to be stereotypical, cliche and try hard if you want it to be, but I'm not doing that. I'm just genuinely baffled for the success of this basic song.

 

At least when Justin made long songs in the past, they were interesting and went somewhere. Mirrors drags on for at least three minutes longer than it needs to be. There reaches a point in a song when you know there's nothing left to say, but for some reason, Justin squeezed every last drop out of a sog that didn't have much going for it to start with. I kept expecting him to drop a new verse or for an instrumental or something, but no. Just the same from beginning to end. And for the record, Suit & Tie is boring and overly repetative too. Why he thought that was a good choice for a lead single, I'll never know. So far, nothing about his new music is screaming "big time comeback." If rumours are to be believed, he's just doing this album to fufill contractual obligations and it shows, because I'm not feeling anything from his new work.

 

Everyone has the right to express their dislike for artists and I don't hesitate to exercise it. When pointless drivel floods the airwaves, you're allowed to let out your frustration, right? I don't mind people hating on Lana so much as hating on her fans. We seem to be fair game for anyone to take a shot at. Once, I was even accused of not listening to a lot of music because I liked her work.(which really infuriated me as I'd listened to 102 albums released in 2012). It's a lot of people's ignorance about the intentions in her music that bug me too. I don't get as wound up as you think. Things can sound more dramatic in text form.

[Harry 26,836]

I think most of the criticisms of Lana mostly come from people misinterpreting her work and not understanding that it's satire and concept art. Plenty of male artists take on characters and make a concept album around it and they don't get hate for some reason. It's easy to have a negative opinion of something that you don't understand. I like to think I research music very well, though, so i can give the best possible view of it. I won't say something's soul-less or cliche just because I don't like it - it's a conclusion I'll have reached after a--lysing the lyrics. Yes, anything can be made out to be stereotypical, cliche and try hard if you want it to be, but I'm not doing that. I'm just genuinely baffled for the success of this basic song.

 

At least when Justin made long songs in the past, they were interesting and went somewhere. Mirrors drags on for at least three minutes longer than it needs to be. There reaches a point in a song when you know there's nothing left to say, but for some reason, Justin squeezed every last drop out of a sog that didn't have much going for it to start with. I kept expecting him to drop a new verse or for an instrumental or something, but no. Just the same from beginning to end. And for the record, Suit & Tie is boring and overly repetative too. Why he thought that was a good choice for a lead single, I'll never know. So far, nothing about his new music is screaming "big time comeback." If rumours are to be believed, he's just doing this album to fufill contractual obligations and it shows, because I'm not feeling anything from his new work.

 

Everyone has the right to express their dislike for artists and I don't hesitate to exercise it. When pointless drivel floods the airwaves, you're allowed to let out your frustration, right? I don't mind people hating on Lana so much as hating on her fans. We seem to be fair game for anyone to take a shot at. Once, I was even accused of not listening to a lot of music because I liked her work.(which really infuriated me as I'd listened to 102 albums released in 2012). It's a lot of people's ignorance about the intentions in her music that bug me too. I don't get as wound up as you think. Things can sound more dramatic in text form.

Gosh well see I'm just going to leave it with this because I think it's a matter of semantics and I'm just exercising my right to an opinion just as you are but statements such as the one I've bolded seem to imply you think your taste or "conclusions" hold higher value than anybody else. What about critics who are very experienced and knowledgeable in music, and people such as myself who study music (forgive me if I'm sounding condescending and talking out of place and you do as well) and say Mirrors and Suit & Tie are actually pretty daring and interesting for pop music? Especially S&T... And I won't bore you with a theory lesson about it.

 

You don't really have a place to say whether he's in it for contractual obligations or not just because you aren't a fan of the music... that's highly absurd. When he's performing on stage he is visibly enjoying it, even when he's jet lagged and playing an awards show immediately followed by a full concert. That's just silly.

 

You don't need to be baffled by the success of anything... Why would you be? For someone that a--lyses the charts as much as you I don't think you are actually surprised at the success of ANYTHING by now. Sometimes things we like do well, and sometimes things we don't like do well. Music is so brilliant because our tastes are diverse. There isn't anything baffling about that. And it's why this conversation doesn't need to exist anymore - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

[StrawberryBlond 14,267]

Gosh well see I'm just going to leave it with this because I think it's a matter of semantics and I'm just exercising my right to an opinion just as you are but statements such as the one I've bolded seem to imply you think your taste or "conclusions" hold higher value than anybody else. What about critics who are very experienced and knowledgeable in music, and people such as myself who study music (forgive me if I'm sounding condescending and talking out of place and you do as well) and say Mirrors and Suit & Tie are actually pretty daring and interesting for pop music? Especially S&T... And I won't bore you with a theory lesson about it.

 

You don't really have a place to say whether he's in it for contractual obligations or not just because you aren't a fan of the music... that's highly absurd. When he's performing on stage he is visibly enjoying it, even when he's jet lagged and playing an awards show immediately followed by a full concert. That's just silly.

 

You don't need to be baffled by the success of anything... Why would you be? For someone that a--lyses the charts as much as you I don't think you are actually surprised at the success of ANYTHING by now. Sometimes things we like do well, and sometimes things we don't like do well. Music is so brilliant because our tastes are diverse. There isn't anything baffling about that. And it's why this conversation doesn't need to exist anymore - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

My taste and/or conclusions don't hold a higher value to everyone else's, I'm merely saying that I don't just hate a song superficially - I make sure I've understood it so I don't look like a fool if I've got the wrong end of the stick and make sure that I can actually list reasons why I hate it. Basically, I'm saying that I don't hate songs just to be awkward or make up my mind about them after one listen. I'm kinda wary of the opinions of professional critics, as you're never sure if they're being paid to write good reviews these days (that's usually the justifications I give as to why Nicki Minaj's and Taylor Swift's albums get such glowing reviews) and some of them get into a habit of consistently giving passable grades to almost every album. If you think these songs are good, that's fine, but I'm genuinely intrigued as to why (you can put your explanation in spoilers: I don't mind).

 

I'm not saying it because I'm not a fan (actually, I think his music's very good on the whole) - this is genuine information that he had to fufill his contract by 2013 and he isn't really interested in making any more music after this. All I can say is, don't expect a follow up album in the next two years or anything.

 

True - sometimes I'm baffled by the success of songs in a good way. For one, I was thrilled to see the amazing My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark go to #5 in the UK. It's the antithesis of everything that's popular right now and it's by a long-forgotten emo band who have never had successful mainstream singles. It baffles me, but in a delightful way. I've long given up trying to make cast iron predictions on the public's tastes anyway. But yeah, your opinion is just as meaningful as mine and differing opinions make the world go round.

[Harry 26,836]

My taste and/or conclusions don't hold a higher value to everyone else's, I'm merely saying that I don't just hate a song superficially - I make sure I've understood it so I don't look like a fool if I've got the wrong end of the stick and make sure that I can actually list reasons why I hate it. Basically, I'm saying that I don't hate songs just to be awkward or make up my mind about them after one listen. I'm kinda wary of the opinions of professional critics, as you're never sure if they're being paid to write good reviews these days (that's usually the justifications I give as to why Nicki Minaj's and Taylor Swift's albums get such glowing reviews) and some of them get into a habit of consistently giving passable grades to almost every album. If you think these songs are good, that's fine, but I'm genuinely intrigued as to why (you can put your explanation in spoilers: I don't mind).

 

I'm not saying it because I'm not a fan (actually, I think his music's very good on the whole) - this is genuine information that he had to fufill his contract by 2013 and he isn't really interested in making any more music after this. All I can say is, don't expect a follow up album in the next two years or anything.

 

True - sometimes I'm baffled by the success of songs in a good way. For one, I was thrilled to see the amazing My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark go to #5 in the UK. It's the antithesis of everything that's popular right now and it's by a long-forgotten emo band who have never had successful mainstream singles. It baffles me, but in a delightful way. I've long given up trying to make cast iron predictions on the public's tastes anyway. But yeah, your opinion is just as meaningful as mine and differing opinions make the world go round.

 

Well I'll PM you if you really want to know why cos I don't wanna clog up the thread lol

[Jase 13,065]

iTunes update

 

01. Mirrors - Justin Timberlake

02. When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars

03. Pompeii - Bastille

04. Thrift Shop (feat. Wanz) - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

05. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

06. I Could Be the One (Nicktim Radio Edit) - Avicii & Nicky Romero

07. Ready or Not - Bridgit Mendler

08. One Way or Another (Teenage Kicks) - One Direction

09. White Noise (feat. AlunaGeorge) - Disclosure

10. Reload (feat. Chip) [Radio Edit] - Wiley

 

11. Harlem Shake - Baauer

12. I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift

13. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) - Rihanna

14. Army of Two - Olly Murs

15. Everywhere - Fleetwood Mac

16. Explosions - Ellie Goulding

17. Clown - Emeli Sandé

18. Suit & Tie (feat. Jay-Z) - Justin Timberlake

19. Ho Hey - The Lumineers

20. If You Could See Me Now - The Script

 

21. Chocolate - The 1975

22. Only Love - Ben Howard

23. Bassline Junkie - Dizzee Rascal

24. Locked Out of Heaven - Bruno Mars

25. Drinking from the Bottle (feat. Tinie Tempah) - Calvin Harris

26. Just Give Me a Reason (feat. Nate Ruess) - P!nk

27. Started from the Bottom - Drake

28. Skyfall - Adele

29. My Songs Know What You Did In the Dark (Light Em Up) - Fall Out Boy

30. Scream & Shout (feat. Britney Spears) - will.i.am

 

31. Please Don't Say You Love Me - Gabrielle Aplin

32. Change Your Life - Little Mix

33. I Will Wait - Mumford & Sons

34. People Help the People - Birdy

35. Impossible - James Arthur

36. Clarity (feat. Foxes) - Zedd

37. Pompeii - Bastille

38. Kiss You - One Direction

39. Pompeii - Bastille

40. Indian Summer - Stereophonics

 

Bubbling Under

 

66. No Freedom - Dido

68. Seen It All - Jake Bugg

69. Daylight - Maroon 5
72. C'mon - Ke$ha

87. Now - Paramore

92. Mermaid - Train

99. Falling - Haim

[SomethingMore 1,701]

Mirrors 2nd week at #1!

[Jase 13,065]

^ Probably, although it'll be close with 3 version of Pompeii now in the itunes top 40

[Harry 26,836]

Today's mids: 

 

Singles (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/singles)

1. Justin

2. Bruno

3. Bastille

4. Macklemore

5. 1D

6. Pink

7. Bridgit Mendler

8. Avicii/Nicky Romero

9. Taylor

10. Bauuer

 

Albums (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/update/albums)

1. Bastille

2. Stereophonics

3. Emeli Sande

4. Dido

5. Bruno

6. Laura Mvula

7. Les Mis

8. Mumford

9, Josh Groban

10. Ben Howard

 

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Yay Justin for 2 weeks! Hope he can manage it :)