merlot 5,772 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 56 minutes ago, gagzus said: gaga herself hinted she did not believe in the accusations against him and said they found common ground in "the media writing untrue stories about them" when she mentioned the song in the commentary of the album. azealia needs to get her bipolar ass sorted since she was legit apologising and practically BEGGING for a collab on Twitter a month or two ago, it's not like the collab with him magically just leaked and what not it's been known since 2013 sis...and azealia pinning it down to racism when this ain't a race issue cut and dry. I'm the first GGD member to call out racism on this site and this surely isn't it i've said this many times and i'm gonna say it again gaga is sometimes naive, and her emotions cloud her judgment , she thinks all celebrities are victims and the media and the people are out there to get them, i hate how she defended JB few years ago and how she defended Ed the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife 6,888 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Well, she has a point. ..And I'll never forgive Gaga for collaborating with him. I remember I made a thread about R. Kelly's allegations on here during ARTPOP and everyone was so ready to look past it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLion 161 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, JustYouandI said: Because she should have never done that and will be forever acussed of being that women who went through sexual abuse and advocated for it but still worked with R kelly in sexually charged perfomances while knowing that he is a child raper. Well she did it, there's nothing we can change about it, are we going to lapidate her forever because of that? the first ones that should left that behind are us, as her fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, merlot said: i've said this many times and i'm gonna say it again gaga is sometimes naive, and her emotions cloud her judgment , she thinks all celebrities are victims and the media and the people are out there to get them, i hate how she defended JB few years ago and how she defended Ed the other day. Being naive.... I'm sorry but that is bullsht. She jumped on the Dr. luke train before there were any solid prooves but her judgement gets clouded when it comes to R Kelly when there is actual evidence against him. Can we stop making up excuses for her? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusxillusion 184 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 No one should be criticizing Gaga, she was going through PTSD from her rape, drug/alcohol addiction, depression, bulimia, her broken hip, complications/flareups from Lupus, having zero professional support and more when she collabed with him. She was in a very bad mental space and made decisions that weren't 100% woke. She shouldn't be dragged because of her mental/physical wellbeing at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, LittleLion said: Well she did it, there's nothing we can change about it, are we going to lapidate her forever because of that? the first ones that should left that behind are us, as her fans You are saying becuase she is gaga. We lapidated other artists for less. This fanbase has two poles, we either read her to filth on the most insignificant things or pretend she is an angelic victim that can do no wrong and always has a valid reason for ****ng up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlot 5,772 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, JustYouandI said: Being naive.... I'm sorry but that is bullsht. She jumped on the Dr. luke train before there were any solid prooves but her judgement gets clouded when it comes to R Kelly when there is actual evidence against him. Can we stop making up excuses for her? i'm not making excuse for her tho i'm criticizing her and i think she should see things from a logical point of view instead of emotional Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLion 161 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, JustYouandI said: You are saying becuase she is gaga. We lapidated other artists for less. This fanbase has two poles, we either read her to filth on the most insignificant things or pretend she is an angelic victim that can do no wrong and always has a valid reason for ****ng up. Well, YES if you want to say it like that, at the end, we are her fans and this is a site dedicated to her, is not weird to support her, every fanbase does the same. And nobody see her as a victim, you don't even know how much she knew or why she worked with him, so the least we can do is leave that behind, is not healthy and also is dumb, you are not going to solve anything with that attitude either she, and she shouldn't she didnt do anything wrong to begin with, is was a feat and everything about it was scrapped for a reason, stop living in the past and stop focussing in this, specially when she is done so much for society in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Knife said: Well, she has a point. ..And I'll never forgive Gaga for collaborating with him. I remember I made a thread about R. Kelly's allegations on here during ARTPOP and everyone was so ready to look past it. I'm still honestly flabbergasted about her choice to collaborate with R. Kelly and Terry Richardson for the DWUW video. The intent was probably a middle finger to the media, and she probably wholeheartedly believed R. Kelly and Richardson are innocent (at least at that time). I don't know if the criticism from that really changed her viewpoint on it, or if she just slid back to avoid even more media backlash. 4 minutes ago, venusxillusion said: No one should be criticizing Gaga, she was going through PTSD from her rape, drug/alcohol addiction, depression, bulimia, her broken hip, complications/flareups from Lupus, having zero professional support and more when she collabed with him. She was in a very bad mental space and made decisions that weren't 100% woke. She shouldn't be dragged because of her mental/physical wellbeing at the time. I wonder what she thinks about this whole situation now. While inexcusable, I can see why the intense depression/manic anxiety at the time could have clouded her judgment for the worse. After years of being in a more healthy and fulfilling well being, fighting very explicitly for sexual assault survivors' rights, and publicly decrying a figure of music for misogyny (Dr. Luke), I wonder if she has changed her mind. And I would not mind a mature, honest "yes". 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxi 4,999 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Well Azealia is kinda right this time... Gaga chose to side with Kesha and publicly drag Dr Luke while there was no proof he was guilty, and she chose to turn a blind eye to R Kelly's and Terry Richardson's past, and kept calling them her friends and work with them while they are both well known rapists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tan Fei 1,324 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hypocrisy is everywhere esp in entertainment industry . she is too to a certain extent but i genuinely believe Gaga is a better n more down to earth human now . she was immature n the gung ho type then .She is mature now , done corrective work through her actions and charity afterwards . not making excuses. its not always a word , letter or a tweet to judge one's sincerity. its the corrective actions afterwards. i hope gaga can concentrate on her tour preparations and not get distracted by all these piling negativity on twitter n delete twitter eventually ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlop 4,773 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I mean why bring this up now tho it's almost 4 years later BYE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, LittleLion said: Well, YES if you want to say it like that, at the end, we are her fans and this is a site dedicated to her, is not weird to support her, every fanbase does the same. And nobody see her as a victim, you don't even know how much she knew or why she worked with him, so the least we can do is leave that behind, is not healthy and also is dumb, you are not going to solve anything with that attitude either she, and she shouldn't she didnt do anything wrong to begin with, is was a feat and everything about it was scrapped for a reason, stop living in the past and stop focussing in this, specially when she is done so much for society in general. It is not about solving anything. You make a mistake you own up to it and apologize. You dont just try to pretend it didnt happen and erase all traces of it because you dont want to be reminded of how stupidly you behaved at a particular moment. Artists who collab with homophobes and rapists get crucified but Mother Gaga gets free pass for collaborating so openly with a known child molester. She has done a lot for sexual abuse campaigns and has been a strong advocate for it. I get that and I am in awe withe her bravery considering how close to home the issue if for her. But publicly admitting she made a mistake was needed in my opinion, it would have served as an example for other too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, symphonia said: Well Azealia is kinda right this time... Gaga chose to side with Kesha and publicly drag Dr Luke while there was no proof he was guilty, and she chose to turn a blind eye to R Kelly's and Terry Richardson's past, and kept calling them her friends and work with them while they are both well known rapists. thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLion 161 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, JustYouandI said: It is not about solving anything. You make a mistake you own up to it and apologize. You dont just try to pretend it didnt happen and erase all traces of it because you dont want to be reminded of how stupidly you behaved at a particular moment. Artists who collab with homophobes and rapists get crucified but Mother Gaga gets free pass for collaborating so openly with a known child molester. She has done a lot for sexual abuse campaigns and has been a strong advocate for it. I get that and I am in awe withe her bravery considering hoe close to home the issue if for her. But publicly admitting she made a mistake was needed in my opinion, it would have served as an example for other too. So, an apologize of her would make you feel better about this situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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