Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just now, Skai Jackson said: But that's what was said on the second page of the thread when I only made 2 posts on it. I compared Lorde's "Liability"'s lyrics to other songs that are allegedly better than it and as I've stated before it was a question. Allegedly better...means that others find other songs to be more interesting, enjoyable to listen to, more relatable, or it simply sounds better to their ear. Many people don't listen to lyrics much or they don't care for certain types of music. It just doesn't sound interesting to them. (Or maybe it is too much of the same sound or they just don't like the person's voice) This shouldn't be hard to understand! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lextyr97 19,958 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, OLH said: Idk, you threw Gaga under the bus to praise Lorde, and it seems many other members can only praise Melodrama through bashing Joanne. If you must bring down another album to uplift another it might be a sign that you don't like it as much as you're telling yourself you do. I think monsters didn't like the change in direction of Joanne, and prefer a more pure pop sound, so they latched onto Melodrama. This this all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Did anyone try the chicken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBatman 951 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, OLH said: If by fascinating you mean messy, then yeah the Witness era was more fascinating than the Joanne era. Seriously though, we had the SuperBowl, a suprise JW video, Coachella and a completely new direction with Joanne. Not everything has to be neon and highly controversial to be exciting. Lots of longtime Gaga fans found the Joanne era to be highly interesting. Fan since Just Dance. Just stating my opinion. No I meant fascinating/interesting/cool, not messy, but it has been kinda messy. Like Joanne era wasn't messy?! Witness era = fascinating because cooler songs and videos, and a more interesting concept for the album, more interesting performances, cooler looks, everything. Joanne was a new direction for Gaga, yes, a boring one. Superbowl was awesome! But nothing new, it was her doing her 08/09 self. SO, that's not fascinating to me. Coachella I loved! But once again, nothing new in terms of her performance. JW video was awesome, but not as enjoyable for me personally as CTTR or BA videos. 42 minutes ago, gabeoz said: Gaga was never "cool" she always strives to be uncool. My guess is that Joanne was part of her plan to increase her standing with the GP so she can fully come back into pop with a success in her next album. She wasn't just cool, she was absolutely THE COOLEST of any pop star in the world 08-11 in my opinion. She defined cool. Everyone wanted to be like her. Now she is on the cover of AARP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyhaus 7,697 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, leecy said: so that's your opinion What don't you understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just now, TheBatman said: Fan since Just Dance. Just stating my opinion. No I meant fascinating/interesting/cool, not messy, but it has been kinda messy. Like Joanne era wasn't messy?! Witness era = fascinating because cooler songs and videos, and a more interesting concept for the album, more interesting performances, cooler looks, everything. Joanne was a new direction for Gaga, yes, a boring one. Superbowl was awesome! But nothing new, it was her doing her 08/09 self. SO, that's not fascinating to me. Coachella I loved! But once again, nothing new in terms of her performance. JW video was awesome, but not as enjoyable for me personally as CTTR or BA videos. She wasn't just cool, she was absolutely THE COOLEST of any pop star in the world 08-11 in my opinion. She defined cool. Everyone wanted to be like her. Now she is on the cover of AARP. Katy has been mocked so much this era. I'd rather Gaga be taken seriously even if she isn't seen as cool anymore. Gay people aren't considered cool anymore, and that affects how gay icons are perceived. Just because something is interesting doesn't make it good. A train wreck might be interesting, but it doesn't make it good. Being on the cover of AARP isn't a bad thing. That's ableist and ageist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Whispering said: Allegedly better...means that others find other songs to be more interesting, enjoyable to listen to, more relatable, or it simply sounds better to their ear. Many people don't listen to lyrics much or they don't care for certain types of music. It just doesn't sound interesting to them. (Or maybe it is too much of the same sound or they just don't like the person's voice) This shouldn't be hard to understand! I acknowledged the fact that there are differing opinions though? Giving examples and asking why shouldn't be a big deal because members are obliged to say their stances on a topic instead of posting "____ is better and you will deal!" because that deteriorates why forums were made in the first place and that doesn't result to any conversation at all. I gave an example of both songs and asked “is this better than this?" as a way to discuss preferences, interpretations, and more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBatman 951 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, OLH said: Katy has been mocked so much this era. I'd rather Gaga be taken seriously even if she isn't seen as cool anymore. Gay people aren't considered cool anymore, and that affects how gay icons are perceived. Just because something is interesting doesn't make it good. A train wreck might be interesting, but it doesn't make it good. Being on the cover of AARP isn't a bad thing. That's ableist and ageist. I never said it wasn't "good" it just isn't interesting or memorable. Katy has been mocked a lot. I still find her more entertaining and her album worth more repeat listens to my ears than Joanne. Witness isn't a train wreck, it has two hit songs already, two awesome videos, and we'll see how the tour goes and the rest of the era. Being on the cover of AARP is great, sure, hell yea, slay Gaga yaasssss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, OLH said: You did the same thing though. In the thread about Gaga and Lorde's songwriting abilities you felt the need to point out chinks in Gaga's armor to boost up Lorde, and compared the two albums unfavorably. Are you referring to this thread? I didn't post in the “is Lorde a better songwriter than Gaga" thread, and I literally said that comparing them is like “finding similarities between two artists that have different palettes and brushes" meaning that they have a distinct approach to what they're doing. I said that this thread was solely made to pit women against each other, but if someone were to say that Gaga is an incredible songwriter without mentioning their flaws I felt the need to acknowledge them because in my opinion Melodrama is a better album than Joanne because of those problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just now, Skai Jackson said: I acknowledged the fact that there are differing opinions though? Giving examples and asking why shouldn't be a big deal because members are obliged to say their stances on a topic instead of posting "____ is better and you will deal!" because that deteriorates why forums were made in the first place and that doesn't result to any conversation at all. I gave an example of both songs and asked “is this better than this?" as a way to discuss preferences, interpretations, and more. You gave an example of lyrics that you personally selected. Again, many people don't listen much to lyrics...or they want them just to flow together well for a pop hook. People listen to music for different reasons and enjoy different things in music. Some people don't like angsty music...or don't want it to be the whole album. An album full of the same type of songs might be too much for some music listeners, while others enjoy something like that. You selecting two examples of lyrics means nothing to those who aren't interested in listening to music primarily for the lyrics, or for those who are more interested in how the music and vocals work with the lyrics. Some people just find certain voices to be so annoying, they can't enjoy the music no matter how "brilliant" you think the lyrics are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabeoz 7,915 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheBatman said: I never said it wasn't "good" it just isn't interesting or memorable. Katy has been mocked a lot. I still find her more entertaining and her album worth more repeat listens to my ears than Joanne. Witness isn't a train wreck, it has two hit songs already, two awesome videos, and we'll see how the tour goes and the rest of the era. Being on the cover of AARP is great, sure, hell yea, slay Gaga yaasssss. Two hit singles? The only single remotely a hit is CTTR, both BA and SS did absolutely terrible. I love Katy too, but Witness has been a wreck since the beginning. It's an album full of non-cohering songs. Like I said, im a huge katy fan and had a lot of hope for Witness but it just bombed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, TheBatman said: Witness isn't a train wreck, it has two hit songs already, two awesome videos, and we'll see how the tour goes and the rest of the era. Two hit songs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLH 130 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheBatman said: I never said it wasn't "good" it just isn't interesting or memorable. Katy has been mocked a lot. I still find her more entertaining and her album worth more repeat listens to my ears than Joanne. Witness isn't a train wreck, it has two hit songs already, two awesome videos, and we'll see how the tour goes and the rest of the era. Being on the cover of AARP is great, sure, hell yea, slay Gaga yaasssss. @RomansRoar is this your new account? Anyway, BA and SWSW did terribly on the charts, and Katy's average chart peak this era is 36, even Gaga's is 19 this era. Yep, anyone who covers AARP is a loser, cool people don't experience joint pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Whispering said: You gave an example of lyrics that you personally selected. Again, many people don't listen much to lyrics...or they want them just to flow together well for a pop hook. People listen to music for different reasons and enjoy different things in music. Some people don't like angsty music...or don't want it to be the whole album. An album full of the same type of songs might be too much for some music listeners, while others enjoy something like that. You selecting two examples of lyrics means nothing to those who aren't interested in listening to music primarily for the lyrics, or for those who are more interested in how the music and vocals work with the lyrics. Some people just find certain voices to be so annoying, they can't enjoy the music no matter how "brilliant" you think the lyrics are. I chose a song that they are most familiar with and also talks about similar topics such as isolation and compared it to songs that they thought were the strongest in “Joanne". Of course people seek different things when it comes to what they enjoy and you've said it incessantly already and I wanted to know why they thought in that certain manner in which people called it “basic" and “boring" even though it can be proven to not be any of those connotations. When I made the post people commented with a gif solely so how's that igniting any conversation whatsoever? If someone were to say “I don't enjoy Melodrama because it's forgettable and the way she perceives certain topics don't make any sense because..." and so on this thread wouldn't have been such a trainwreck. Children know that and all I wanted was an answer to their ideologies in an incisive manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, TheBatman said: She wasn't just cool, she was absolutely THE COOLEST of any pop star in the world 08-11 in my opinion. She defined cool. Everyone wanted to be like her. Now she is on the cover of AARP. She was on the cover of ARTHRITIS, because she has a debilitating illness, one that happens to affect many younger people. Having arthritis doesn't make you less "cool". Stop being rude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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