styleyourvision 606 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I was looking at BMI (again) and noticed a company called Universal Songs of Ploygram International Inc., which is Elton John's publishing company! Bennie & The Jets sample confirmed! Hey Girl = icons sampling icons featuring icons Spoiler P.S. I remember seeing a thread on here a long time ago about this topic but I couldn't find it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit 15,807 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I don't think it did. Just drawn similarities. “For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity.” ― Jean Dubuffet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausofLenis 734 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 first of all where are the receipts? second of all why wasn't he credited then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComeToMama 4,351 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I think it just sounds very very very similar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,014 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Interesting. It's possible they just listed it for sounding similar. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styleyourvision 606 Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 22 minutes ago, HausofLenis said: first of all where are the receipts? second of all why wasn't he credited then? The receipts are linked Go find Hey Girl on BMI and you'll see the publishing company If you look at Bennie and the Jets (and every other EJ song) you'll see that same company is listed... Unless you think that Elton asked for his publishing company to get paid every time BMI issues royalites for Hey Girl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Universal Songs of Polygram is just a publishing company that is affiliated with Interscope/Universal music. They're also responsible for Lil' Kim's albums. That doesn't mean that Lil' Kim sampeled Elton John tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausofLenis 734 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, styleyourvision said: The receipts are linked Go find Hey Girl on BMI and you'll see the publishing company If you look at Bennie and the Jets (and every other EJ song) you'll see that same company is listed... Unless you think that Elton asked for his publishing company to get paid every time BMI issues royalites for Hey Girl that link goes nowhere just because Hey Girl has the same chords as Bennie and the whatever doesn't mean she "sampled" the song as for the publishing company remember the song features an english artist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styleyourvision 606 Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 22 minutes ago, HausofLenis said: that link goes nowhere just because Hey Girl has the same chords as Bennie and the whatever doesn't mean she "sampled" the song as for the publishing company remember the song features an english artist The fact that Hey Girl uses the same chords as Bennie and the Jets in the same manner, legally speaking, does in fact mean she sampled the song though... Moreover, any official credits to Bennie and the Jets would go to the record label and publisher (Universal Songs of Polygram International Inc.) since they own the copyright to their artists' audio recordings (and pretty much every other exclusive right a copyright provides) ...and isn't the fact that Florence is English irrelevant considering both Elton and Florence are English?????????? I think what's more telling is that Florence has two personal publishing companies (similar to House of Gaga Publishing, LLC) that are listed on Hey Girl. So why is Polygram on there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batwings 12,885 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Joanne and the Jets coming for weaves! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausofLenis 734 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, styleyourvision said: The fact that Hey Girl uses the same chords as Bennie and the Jets in the same manner, legally speaking, does in fact mean she sampled the song though... Moreover, any official credits to Bennie and the Jets would go to the record label and publisher (Universal Songs of Polygram International Inc.) since they own the copyright to their artists' audio recordings (and pretty much every other exclusive right a copyright provides) ...and isn't the fact that Florence is English irrelevant considering both Elton and Florence are English?????????? I think what's more telling is that Florence has two personal publishing companies (similar to House of Gaga Publishing, LLC) that are listed on Hey Girl. So why is Polygram on there? You need to get your facts right, piano chords are structured already so everyone can use them the way they want so it's not like Elton or the producer of the song created it or something which is distinct of the melody. Legally speaking, a sample is the use of a part of the song (mostly hooks or instrumentation/ beats) you cannot sample a piano or guitar chord. I recommend you to check the credits on ARTPOP, Gaga sampled Sun Ra on Venus and she credited the artist as a songwriter (most of the artist do check Beyoncé) since then labels or record companies are only responsible for the royalties for the artist under their control credited on another artist work. (recently Ed sampled TLC on Shape of You, the label that released No Scrubs was LaFace/Arista but he credited TLC not the label). We don't know where the song was recorded if it was in the UK, Polygram is affiliated with Interscope so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styleyourvision 606 Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, HausofLenis said: You need to get your facts right, piano chords are structured already so everyone can use them the way they want so it's not like Elton or the producer of the song created it or something which is distinct of the melody. Legally speaking, a sample is the use of a part of the song (mostly hooks or instrumentation/ beats) you cannot sample a piano or guitar chord. I recommend you to check the credits on ARTPOP, Gaga sampled Sun Ra on Venus and she credited the artist as a songwriter (most of the artist do check Beyoncé) since then labels or record companies are only responsible for the royalties for the artist under their control credited on another artist work. (recently Ed sampled TLC on Shape of You, the label that released No Scrubs was LaFace/Arista but he credited TLC not the label). We don't know where the song was recorded if it was in the UK, Polygram is affiliated with Interscope so Goil look at you finkin u Jimmy Iovine o sumthin - what I said are FACTS backed up by years studying intellectual property (specifically music) law school from a top 10 intellectual property law school in the USA...so if you want me to walk you through your mistakes I don't mind First up "piano chords are structured already so everyone can use them the way they want so it's not like Elton or the producer of the song created it or something which is distinct of the melody." There is no court case ever handed down (at least in the USA) that says piano (or any other instrument) chords are structured therefore they're in the public domain. What you're probably thinking of is the theory called scènes à faire, which means that there is essentially no other way to express a particular idea except by using certain elements. For example, a simple C-F-G chord progression would fall under scènes à faire, because there is only one way to express a C-F-G chord. Second "Legally speaking, a sample is the use of a part of the song (mostly hooks or instrumentation/ beats) you cannot sample a piano or guitar chord." This is completely untrue as well. There have been plenty of copyright cases regarding an alleged copyright infringement for the unauthorized use of certain chords. For example (and there are many more than just this one), in a recent case between the bands Led Zeppelin and Spirit, Led Zeppelin is being accused of taking Stairway to Heaven's chord progression from Spirit's song "Taurus." The original complaint even admits facts such as: Spoiler "[T]he similarities between 'Taurus' and the iconic notes, melody, chord progression, structure, tempo, instrumentation, and feel of 'Stairway to Heaven' are so strikingly similar that independent creation is precluded....Substantial similarity between 'Taurus' and 'Stairway to Heaven' is established because, to a reasonable observer, the iconic notes, melody, chord progression, structure, tempo, instrumentation, and feel of 'Stairway to Heaven' sound almost identical to Plaintiff's protected expression in 'Taurus.'" Third "I recommend you to check the credits on ARTPOP, Gaga sampled Sun Ra on Venus and she credited the artist as a songwriter (most of the artist do check Beyoncé) since then labels or record companies are only responsible for the royalties for the artist under their control credited on another artist work." The HUGE difference here is that Gaga actually used the LYRICS from Sun Ra's (and Zombie Zombie's subsequent remake of) Rocket Number 9. Lyrics and composition are an entirely different copyright from the actual sound recording. Gaga's use of their words is why they got writing credits on the song - not just simply because she "sampled" them so therefore any sampling will have gotten writing credits. Similarly, and lastly, "recently Ed sampled TLC on Shape of You, the label that released No Scrubs was LaFace/Arista but he credited TLC not the label" This also doesn't mean a thing about when or how artists list people they sample, but rather, artists add people to credits of their songs ALL THE TIME to avoid any potential litigation. It does NOT mean that they were actually sampled. It's much easier and MUCH cheaper to pay a small licensing fee for having sounding similar songs and give credit to fellow artists rather than fight it out in court costing millions. See: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7735550/ed-sheeran-tlc-no-scrubs-writers-shape-of-you-credits If Gaga did cover Bennie and the Jets in Hey Girl (which there is no doubt she did if you just listen and analyze the chords, progressions, instruments, and timbre) she would have no reason to fear litigation from Elton John who is a family member to her. I'm sure he didn't even make her go through any formal processes or get an official clearance and allowed her to just use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 It's not a sample, it's a copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styleyourvision 606 Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bio said: It's not a sample, it's a copy. In a good way though I think!! I'm not trying to say she's being unoriginal or something. BATJ is one of my favorite songs of all-time. The Hey Girl lyrics capture the meaning (but with a twist) of Bennie and the Jets too! The original meaning of the song was about "a futuristic rock’n’roll band made up of identical-looking female David Bowie types, that reaches the top of the charts." To me Hey Girl is about how groups of women can reach the "top of the charts" (here, equal rights) if women "keep it easy and lift each other" and stop "keep on onein' up another" (I think this is personal to Gaga meaning all of the infighting that happens in the entertainment industry) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 159,866 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 There was a Prince song that sounded more like Hey Girl than BATJ did but I can't remember the name of it Either way, there's not many ways to make that production style distinguishable but I think they managed to do a great job, especially later on as the song builds and those wavy synths come in 🌸Flourishing and vibrant🌼 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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