Miley distances herself from Hip-Hop

[PunkTheFunk 124,467]

20 hours ago, merlot said:

what? 

she just said that she doesn't like hip-hop anymore, how did y'all manage to make it about race and culture? 

Hip hop is inextricably linked to black culture

[PunkTheFunk 124,467]

5 hours ago, NCgaga said:

First of all, the idea of " cultural appropriation" is rediculous. Cultures should appreciate and borrow from each other without people getting angry. We are all humans. No one owns any style, music, or form of expression. You should be allowed to indulge in anything you are interested in, and not be made to feel bad about it, because of the color of your skin. "Cultural appropriation" is a stupid concept. 

In a perfect world, yes, this should be the case. 

However we live in a world where some cultures/ethnic groups hold more power in society than others.

The dominant/powerful culture appropriating culture from the oppressed group is bound to make the oppressed group angry.

[Whispering 18,865]

45 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

That's a shame but again, that time is over. It's time to move on. It's funny, whenever Americans want to talk about how bad racism still is in the modern age, they bring up the past. Ironic, much?

I'm merely pointing out that even dominant groups can be worthy of sympathy in some situations. I don't believe in this "I only have sympathy for the most downtrodden of society" idea because it's just something people say to make themselves sound like an angel. It's so transparent.

But there needs to be a solution of some sort. And we have to start somewhere.

That time is over, but the people that lived during that time (on both sides) are still around. One of them is even the President of the country. Attitudes and mindsets were formed during those years and passed on to children and to their children's children. No, I just gave you specific examples of racism in the past AND the present and explained how both can impact race relationships of today. Did you just ignore all of that in my last three comments? I listen to and read news on a daily basis and when I see or hear stories about racism it is always about something that is happening currently. 

I'm not sure why you are pointing that out. No one said they weren't allowed sympathy. 

Of course, and of course, and that's what millions upon millions of Americans do every day of their life.

On a side note, could you please stop quoting me in groups of several people? I don't want to quote it all because we are going to take up half of page per comment eventually here, and it is a pain to delete all the other on my device. 

[petty 9,412]

Here these people come with the novels that no one is reading 💀

Im not gonna sit here and let a white kid tell me how i should feel about race and whats right and wrong when it comes to it lmfaoo. Fxck off

[petty 9,412]

1 hour ago, PunkTheFunk said:

In a perfect world, yes, this should be the case. 

However we live in a world where some cultures/ethnic groups hold more power in society than others.

The dominant/powerful culture appropriating culture from the oppressed group is bound to make the oppressed group angry.

Thank you! IDK why this is so goddamn hard to understand. Oh, because the people arguing have never dealt with this **** irl and are living in their bubble.

the views from some of these people really show how we have not gotten very far when it comes to racism. Ignoring it and acting like we're "all just humans at the end of the day, racism is what you make it " is not helping at all. People nees to wake up and see that white supremecy is still very alive and well. Everywhere.

[petty 9,412]

And then hella ignorants wanna like these racist ass ignorant comments in here. This site is trash af

[Bebe 17,094]

5 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

@junolxf  @PETTY  @Bebe

You all seem to have made assumptions here. Miley never said that she now disliked all rap, just the stuff that was problematic. Read the quote from her again and you'll see that she had moved on from that stuff but still liked Kendrick. I find it very sad that stating sexism as the reason for why you have chosen to distance yourself from something is seen as something negative. It just shows how much further feminism still has to go. As a woman, Miley more than has the right to dismiss something because she feels it's sexist. It's exactly the same as a person of colour dismissing something because they think its racist. And that attitude is praised and encouraged. So, how come people of colour are allowed to be offended by something but a white woman can't?

No, I didn't make any assumptions - I can read what she wrote.

She talks about Humble as if it's the exception to "Come sit on my ****, suck on my cock." she says she feels pushed out of hip hop because it's too much " ‘Lamborghini, got my Rolex, got a girl on my cock'" and goes on to distance herself from that saying "I am so not that.”

While it's absolutely fine for her to find songs like that demeaning and sexist, as I think i've shown in this thread, it's nothing close to the majority of hip-hop. It's such a diverse genre and doesn't deserve to be painted with such a broad brush.

If she has stated something like "I find acts like ____ to be problematic, and demeaning" then great - but she didn't. She painted an entire genre with the same brush. She is an outsider to the culture, she may have been happy to profit greatly from its sound and aesthetics, but that doesn't give you a pass to generalise hip hop in the way she has.

Like I showed, I couldn't find one song in the top ten rnb/hip hop charts right now that was about '‘Lamborghini, got my Rolex, got a girl on my cock' - that's not to say the top ten was perfect but that it was comparable to pop music.

The 3 rappers considered and talked about as the 3 at the top right now are Kendrick, Drake and J.Cole. None of them are about that.... Drake is mostly love/heartbreak and Kendrick/Cole are both conscious rappers. 

It just seems shitty for a white girl to take from hip-hop culture, profit greatly from hip-hop culture only to turn around throw it away, generalise the culture and act as if she is now grown up and above it. It just seems disappointing that when she took from the culture it was empowering and progressive, but now it's just too trashy and demeaning for her.

[junolxf 8,654]

At least she said something. She knows she was wrong. Good for you, Miley. There's still a lot to learn tho.  I believe in you. 

[NCgaga 4,324]

But she didn't generalize what hip hop has become. She spoke the truth. It's garbage now, unless you are someone like Kendrick.  The industry throws away indie artist-hip hop or rock, so now we are left with predominantly garbage. She has every right to say she doesn't want to represent that. We all change and look back at what we did and say "what the hell was I thinking?". The article was also about her quitting things she deemed as unhealthy like smoking weed, etc. GET OVER YOURSELVES! You've all been there and done that. And yes, people are getting sick of someone saying "cultural appropriatikn" every ****ing 5 minutes. Miley is from america- one of the most blended cultures in the world. And one more thing- Miley didn't represent black culture. You think black culture is represented by twerking and mindless lyrics?!! Please please just stop. 

[Dorothy Gale 7,575]

3 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

But she didn't generalize what hip hop has become. She spoke the truth. It's garbage now, unless you are someone like Kendrick.  The industry throws away indie artist-hip hop or rock, so now we are left with predominantly garbage. She has every right to say she doesn't want to represent that. We all change and look back at what we did and say "what the hell was I thinking?". The article was also about her quitting things she deemed as unhealthy like smoking weed, etc. GET OVER YOURSELVES! You've all been there and done that. And yes, people are getting sick of someone saying "cultural appropriatikn" every ****ing 5 minutes. Miley is from america- one of the most blended cultures in the world. And one more thing- Miley didn't represent black culture. You think black culture is represented by twerking and mindless lyrics?!! Please please just stop. 

Twerking and dances like it have been part of traditional African culture for hundreds of years, it didn't just start in the twentieth century though.  

[Whispering 18,865]

55 minutes ago, junolxf said:

At least she said something. She knows she was wrong. Good for you, Miley. There's still a lot to learn tho.  I believe in you. 

I appreciate her coming out to clarify. I'm good with this, but understand if some people still have concerns. Maybe they will come around, maybe not. 

[NCgaga 4,324]

1 hour ago, Dorothy Gale said:

Twerking and dances like it have been part of traditional African culture for hundreds of years, it didn't just start in the twentieth century though.  

And? It doesn't freaking matter. If you want to twerk, TWERK. It's so stupid to call it cultural appropriation. Not one human being owns any type of dancing. That's like an Irish person telling a black person not to riverdance. No one has the right to tell another grown person how to dress, dance, sing. We are free people and we should express ourselves the way we want. Get out of here with that ****. If she wanted to be hip hop 3 years ago, then have a folk/country album now, then she has every right to. It's like when people got mad about Beyoncé doing that country song with Dixie Chicks. "Cultural Appropriation" is stupid and suppresses expression. PERIOD. 

[Wolf Boy 3,258]

Um sorry but on what planet is Bangerz a hip hop album?

It had a couple "urban" sounding songs, thats all.

[Morphine Prince 106,164]

Updated OP with her new post. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,880]

@PunkTheFunk

I suggest you watch this video for a brilliant look at why cultural appropriation is nonsense. And it was made by an Asian-American (some people in the comments assumed she was white, which is quite ironic):

@Whispering

So, when they're no longer around, will we move on from this idea? Or will we just repeat it until the end of time? When I talk about feminism, I don't bring up the times before women had the vote or the Equal Pay Act came in because that stuff is no longer relevant. I didn't say that you completely refrained from talking about the present but you inevitably started going down that route, which I couldn't help but point out. And I read the news on a daily basis as well, so I'm seeing all the same stuff you are. Which is why I only want to talk about the current stuff.

I'm saying this because you brought up how you were going to reserve your sympathy for certain types of people. Note that when I said "I feel sorry for..." previously, I wasn't meaning "brink of tears sympathy." I just meant general human response of "that's a pity." Hardly as dramatic as the stuff you then brought up.

I've paid respect to your asking me to refrain from quoting big phrases, so could you please pay me the same respect back by not talking to me in such a haughty way?

@Blessed

I don't know if you're referring to Miley, myself or any other members in this topic when she say "I won't listen to some kid" but if I am one of the people you are referring to, I'd like to inform you that I am a 27 year old grown woman with a university degree who has done extensive research on social justice in my spare time and as such, I really don't like it to be assumed that I am ignorant and racist just because I'm white. It's a very unfortunate rumour that's been spread about me recently by certain members who really don't know me and as such, I have to defend myself in ways I've never had to before. No one is saying that we should ignore racism and pretend it doesn't exist, just that it shouldn't be claimed as the reason for why every black person gets mistreated and we shouldn't exaggerate or invent instances of it where none exists. There's a lot of genuine cases of racism that gets talked about but then it gets mingled with claims of 'mistreatment' that has happened to me and many other white people and it's so common that we accept it as part of everyday life but it's somehow mistreatment when it happens to a minority.

@Bebe

I know you've since read the update and liked it, so I won't pursue this much, but even so...

Just because there's no songs in the top ten right now that contained lyrics like the ones Miley talked about does not mean it's not a relevant issue. Whether a degrading song is popular or not, its still been written, it's still out there, its negative messages are still being heard by someone. And people can enjoy old sexist songs from years ago whenever they like thanks to the internet.

And you may say Drake isn't about this kind of thing but after listening to his last two albums, I'm definitely getting a sexist vibe off him. There's more to sexism than telling a girl to get on her knees. It's also about telling her what to do in general, judging her for the things that you yourself are doing and defining her based on your narrow-minded standards. Drake does all this on hotline Bling, which is his most viewed and liked video and probably his second most successful song. I especially hate that line "Going to places where you don't belong." The girl's split up from him and he's still telling her what to do and where to go and saying that she was "a good girl" by staying at home! I actually tried to explain all this to a black member on GGD and they completely dismissed all this, which I thought was highly ironic (apparently, I'm telling black people what they should and shouldn't be offended by, yet he was telling me what I, as a woman, should and shouldn't be offended by).

If Miley has woken up to all this, what's the problem? More women need to wake up and realise how they're being treated by modern culture (in general, not just hip hop culture) because it's not the equal paradise we're told it is.