Sony cut ties with Dr.Luke

[Aleksey Yurievich 144]

Wow, this is truly horrifying. Now they can collectively destroy a person without a single proof. He wasn't proved guilty, no evidence, nothing. Just baseless accusations and everybody jumped on that ship. I was shocked by the way Kelly Clarkson trashed Luke despite the face that he gave her her best hits (career). And I was incredibly annoyed by Gaga's comments about Kesha. At least I have respect for Katy because she didn't stab Luke in his back and stood aside from this. This is hilarious and disgusting how stans can discard the person who is responsible for the majority of your favorite hits so fast, because Kesha said so. And it's not like Kesha is saint. 

[Aleksey Yurievich 144]

>inb4 why would she destroy her career 

Her career was dead anyway. She was just another quick pop girl whose 5 minutes of fame were up like 5 years ago. At least she gets some publicity because if that nonsense. 

[kvnrp 48,353]

13 hours ago, CharlieCharlie said:

So... no more Katy too ?

 

38 minutes ago, fede ARTPOP said:

Katy Perry career is done.   

She has still Max Martin

[kvnrp 48,353]

17 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Wow, this is truly horrifying. Now they can collectively destroy a person without a single proof. He wasn't proved guilty, no evidence, nothing. Just baseless accusations and everybody jumped on that ship. I was shocked by the way Kelly Clarkson trashed Luke despite the face that he gave her her best hits (career). And I was incredibly annoyed by Gaga's comments about Kesha. At least I have respect for Katy because she didn't stab Luke in his back and stood aside from this. This is hilarious and disgusting how stans can discard the person who is responsible for the majority of your favorite hits so fast, because Kesha said so. And it's not like Kesha is saint. 

The thing is, Kesha was the first to go public on this. And if others experienced the same abuse, why not use the attention to finally speak out about this? And I am glad that Gaga came into this and just spoke to Kesha privately. Gaga didn't start a smear campaign against Luke or something.

There are actual EMails in which Luke wrote terrible things about Kesha, which you can look up yourself.

Yes Luke was responsible for a lot of bops, but a good body of work doesn't mean the person behind is has a good mindset as well.

12 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

>inb4 why would she destroy her career 

Her career was dead anyway. She was just another quick pop girl whose 5 minutes of fame were up like 5 years ago. At least she gets some publicity because if that nonsense. 

A quick pop girl doesn't write and produce her songs, all of her two albums had high charting songs, and she is actually talented.

Her vision couldn't shine in the way she really wanted to.

[Blade 5,603]

33 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Wow, this is truly horrifying. Now they can collectively destroy a person without a single proof. He wasn't proved guilty, no evidence, nothing. Just baseless accusations and everybody jumped on that ship. I was shocked by the way Kelly Clarkson trashed Luke despite the face that he gave her her best hits (career). And I was incredibly annoyed by Gaga's comments about Kesha. At least I have respect for Katy because she didn't stab Luke in his back and stood aside from this. This is hilarious and disgusting how stans can discard the person who is responsible for the majority of your favorite hits so fast, because Kesha said so. And it's not like Kesha is saint. 

So just because he produces hit songs, Kesha should've stayed silent and let a potential-rapist walk around and maybe even rape other women? And Gaga shouldn't have supported a fellow rape-survivor?

No one says that Dr. Luke was bad at his job. I'm a fan of many songs that he produced but that doesn't make him a good person. The way he handled this situation was just so wrong. Haven't you seen/heared how he has been talking about Kesha? 

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

13 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Wow, this is truly horrifying. Now they can collectively destroy a person without a single proof. He wasn't proved guilty, no evidence, nothing. Just baseless accusations and everybody jumped on that ship. I was shocked by the way Kelly Clarkson trashed Luke despite the face that he gave her her best hits (career). And I was incredibly annoyed by Gaga's comments about Kesha. At least I have respect for Katy because she didn't stab Luke in his back and stood aside from this. This is hilarious and disgusting how stans can discard the person who is responsible for the majority of your favorite hits so fast, because Kesha said so. And it's not like Kesha is saint. 

Just because Dr. Luke collaborated with Kelly Clarkson during a successful period of her career does not erase the fact that he treated her poorly. She honestly said it was very unpleasant working with him. Several other musicians who have worked with him have voiced the same opinion. 

Sexual assault allegations do not always render a career over. Casey Affleck was accused of sexual harassment and won an Oscar this year. Roman Polanski raped a 13-year old and still makes successful films. Chris Brown assaulted Rihanna and still makes music. 

The bottom line is that we do not know who is telling the truth. But, we do know that several artists have claimed Dr. Luke was verbally abusive toward them, so I tend to believe Kesha did go through emotional distress working with him. 

Dr. Luke chose to drag this legal drama out and has gone on to sue and subpoena several individuals with limited involvement. In regard to his downfall in the court of public opinion, that's on him. Rather than simply release Kesha, who clearly had no desire to ever work with him again, he wanted to make it a public court spectacle. In his attempt to hurt her, he irrevocably damaged his own career beyond repair. He has to take responsibility for that. He chose this legal battle over his career, which is where he faltered where other accused sexual abusers did not. 

You seem to also infer that Kesha (and Kelly Clarkson) is nothing without Luke. I don't believe that at all to be true (and actually think suggesting talented vocalist, songwriters, and musicians are nothing without a man is pretty tactless), in fact, I definitely think it's Luke who was holding her back. He was a one-trick pony in terms of production, which just added to the demise of his career. 

I don't know what you mean by 'it's not like Kesha is a saint'. What is this in reference to? Her sex life? Her music? Her lifestyle? I really don't get how her 'not being a saint' has any basis in this. If anything, I believe several accounts of Luke's behavior prove he is the one who is 'not a saint'. 

[AlexanderMagno 10,746]

Victory? The rape allegations started YEARS ago. This break-up is happening way, way too late. 

[Aleksey Yurievich 144]

9 minutes ago, vocalqueef said:

So just because he produces hit songs, Kesha should've stayed silent and let a potential-rapist walk around and maybe even rape other women? And Gaga shouldn't have supported a fellow rape-survivor?

No one says that Dr. Luke was bad at his job. I'm a fan of many songs that he produced but that doesn't make him a good person. The way he handled all this situation was just so wrong. Haven't you seen/heared how he has been talking about Kesha? 

Kesha should have called for medicolegal procedure right away in order to prove him guilty. Nobody cares that she wanted her career, this is her choice. Gaga was smart enough not to mention the name of her abuser. Kesha just disgusts me at this point.

[Aleksey Yurievich 144]

14 minutes ago, kvnrp said:

The thing is, Kesha was the first to go public on this. And if others experienced the same abuse, why not use the attention to finally speak out about this? And I am glad that Gaga came into this and just spoke to Kesha privately. Gaga didn't start a smear campaign against Luke or something.

There are actual EMails in which Luke wrote terrible things about Kesha, which you can look up yourself.

Yes Luke was responsible for a lot of bops, but a good body of work doesn't mean the person behind is has a good mindset as well.

A quick pop girl doesn't write and produce her songs, all of her two albums had high charting songs, and she is actually talented.

Her vision couldn't shine in the way she really wanted to.

Didn't Warrior flopped into oblivion? She had successful era and that's it, so "quick pop girl" looks good to me.

[OliverViennese 1,164]

30 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Wow, this is truly horrifying. Now they can collectively destroy a person without a single proof. He wasn't proved guilty, no evidence, nothing. Just baseless accusations and everybody jumped on that ship. I was shocked by the way Kelly Clarkson trashed Luke despite the face that he gave her her best hits (career). And I was incredibly annoyed by Gaga's comments about Kesha. At least I have respect for Katy because she didn't stab Luke in his back and stood aside from this. This is hilarious and disgusting how stans can discard the person who is responsible for the majority of your favorite hits so fast, because Kesha said so. And it's not like Kesha is saint. 

Many artists have come forward to say that working with him was ****ing terrible. He built a terrible reputation, which is why relatively few people in the industry wanted to work with him, so Sony chose to not renew their contract with him. He only has himself to blame.

And this "it's not like Kesha is saint" has to be a ****ing joke.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

7 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Kesha should have called for medicolegal procedure right away in order to prove him guilty. Nobody cares that she wanted her career, this is her choice. Gaga was smart enough not to mention the name of her abuser. Kesha just disgusts me at this point.

She was 18. It was 2005 and she was recently signed to him. Accusing your boss of rape, before your career even starts, is not that easy. Kesha stopped working with Luke for three years, aside from contributing to one song lyrically, and attempted to get signed to Warner Brothers in 2008. This was going to be successful until Dr. Luke came in and threatened to sue her for breach of contract and refused to end her contract. So, they began work on her first solo album and subsequently cemented a deal with Sony. 

Kesha claims he was verbally and emotionally abusive in the studio for her albums, which further lead to her to no longer want to work with him after suffering a life-threatening eating disorder. Kesha did not bring up the rape allegations to have him thrown in jail, she brought them up to show a pattern of physical and emotional abuse. Collaborators in the studio with Kesha have stated this emotional abuse was real. 

6 minutes ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Didn't Warrior flopped into oblivion? She had successful era and that's it, so "quick pop girl" looks good to me.

You have to realize she was signed to Dr. Luke. After Die Young was pulled from the radio, there was little promotion and fans were well aware at this point that Luke was stunting her creative vision. What Warrior ended up being is not remotely what she wanted and many of her choice songs never made the final cut. This was always her fear in recording a third album for him...that him, as CEO of the label she was signed to, would not promote the album. 

[Katharine Hepburn 4,607]

17 hours ago, symphonia said:

 

Although this may be seen in some respects as a victory for the "Free Kesha" movement, there are two potential problems for Kesha. First, in her own court papers, she previously cited reports that Sony's deal with Dr. Luke was imminently about to end and warned the judge that she'd no longer have Sony as a go-between, making her situation worse. Second, Dr. Luke's defamation claims against her are still pending, and in advance of the trial, his attorneys have been collecting evidence about how his career has suffered as a result of her rape allegations. Certainly, the culmination of Dr. Luke's deal with Sony will be spotlighted as the case moves forward.

But she has no money 

[Aleksey Yurievich 144]

35 minutes ago, IndieKylie said:

She was 18. It was 2005 and she was recently signed to him. Accusing your boss of rape, before your career even starts, is not that easy. Kesha stopped working with Luke for three years, aside from contributing to one song lyrically, and attempted to get signed to Warner Brothers in 2008. This was going to be successful until Dr. Luke came in and threatened to sue her for breach of contract and refused to end her contract. So, they began work on her first solo album and subsequently cemented a deal with Sony. 

Kesha claims he was verbally and emotionally abusive in the studio for her albums, which further lead to her to no longer want to work with him after suffering a life-threatening eating disorder. Kesha did not bring up the rape allegations to have him thrown in jail, she brought them up to show a pattern of physical and emotional abuse. Collaborators in the studio with Kesha have stated this emotional abuse was real. 

You have to realize she was signed to Dr. Luke. After Die Young was pulled from the radio, there was little promotion and fans were well aware at this point that Luke was stunting her creative vision. What Warrior ended up being is not remotely what she wanted and many of her choice songs never made the final cut. This was always her fear in recording a third album for him...that him, as CEO of the label she was signed to, would not promote the album. 

Seriously, music industry is an extremely lucrative business. It's about money and profit, not about Kesha's creative vision. She basically was a 1,5 hit wonder at that point, so I didn't think that she was eligible and credible enough to dictate the label what she is going to sing. You wouldn't dictate your boss how to run his company, would you? That's the same situation. Even such A-listers like Gaga struggle to get label's approval to release the material or make single choices. What did you expect from Sony? Let Kesha sit in CEO's chair? 

[doppelganger 3,954]

The "blame the victim" syndrome is disgusting tbh. Let the courts decide on the case, but Kesha should be applauded for making her struggles public and not vilified. The reality is that powerful men usually get away with these things. Case in point, Gaga's abuser(s) who's probably moved on to other victims. 

And for every success story like Gaga, Madonna and Mariah that wrestled back power into their own hands, there are hundreds of girls that are enslaved by the system. 

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

1 minute ago, Aleksey Yurievich said:

Seriously, music industry is an extremely lucrative business. It's about money and profit, not about Kesha's creative vision. She basically was a 1,5 hit wonder at that point, so I didn't think that she was eligible and credible enough to dictate the label what she is going to sing. You would dictate your boss how to run his company, would you? That's the same situation. Even such A-listers like Gaga struggle to get label's approval to release the material or make single choices. What did you expect from Sony? Let Kesha sit in CEO's chair? 

I like how you ignore my other points and hone in on the unrelated portion. My only assumption is that you really have no response to the points I made. In regard to this minute portion of my previous 2 posts, I was simply responding to your assertion that her second record 'flopped'. It may have underperformed, but it was a) not her primary vision and b) not well-promoted. So, my point is that  a) the fact that it flopped is more related to her label rather than Kesha herself and b) your assertion that Kesha is some 'one hit wonder' (despite having 3 number 1s and 10+ Top 10 hits) pop girl is incorrect and simply a bubble she's been forced in by Dr. Luke and the label he (used to) run. 

In regard to your many posts on this thread, you can definitely say that the sexual abuse allegations are simply allegations. We do not know the truth and who is lying in this situation. However, you cannot get upset at people for believing Kesha's words while you turn around and simply believe Dr. Luke's side, pass judgement on people's recounting of his abusive relationship and belittle their careers (as you've done to Kesha and Kelly Clarkson), and say non-sensical statements like 'Kesha is no angel'. You've chosen a side, so you can deal with the fact that you're on one side and some people are on the other side. Saying 'these allegations haven't proven' can't be an excuse when you go on to call Kesha and Kelly Clarkson liars, cause their allegations haven't been disproven either

. You're playing both sides of the fence. Just simply state 'the sexual abuse allegations are not proven and could be false' and leave all the name-calling and insults toward anyone who has spoken about their work experiences with him out of it.