Lady Gaga Earns A on Critic of Music

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8 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

It's facts... mj sings in one range , he's  a tenor! Calling him a vocalist is like saying Britney Spears is a vocalist. Let's be realistic 

To state that MJ "couldn't sing himself out of a paper bag" is just empirically wrong. The audacity to compare his vocal ability to that of Britney Spears is just insulting and delusional. I'm not going to bother posting the receipts because there are hundreds of videos plastered all over youtube that showcase his unique and incredible angelic tone and vibrato. 

 

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5 minutes ago, mariomania1234 said:

To state that MJ "couldn't sing himself out of a paper bag" is just empirically wrong. The audacity to compare his vocal range to that of Britney Spears is just insulting and delusional. I'm not going to bother posting the receipts because there are hundreds of videos plastered all over youtube that showcase his unique and incredible angelic tone and vibrato. 

 

Just because he has a great tone doesn't mean he's a vocalist  he doesn't have a range of different music he can sing. He is in a box, he is not versatile. People overly hype their favorite artist when in reality mj was no different from any artist today, he lip-synch a bulk of his performances and he wasn't the man behind his pen. I have respect for him and his accomplishments for being an  entertainer. However he is not a vocalist! Like you said, we can agree to disagree. 

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48 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

That list is bull... Michael Jackson???? He can't sing his way out of a paper bag 

 

What got you pressed? He was by far one of the best male vocalists. He truly had a 4-octave range, and had power to his voice...and if you'd had watched his 2001 30th anniversary concert, you'd seen that he OUTSUNG Britney by a lightyear  so you tried it  

to be fair,  the blog states his vocal range wrong, he wasn't a tenor, but a countertenor

give me one example he doesn't have any range...

I think this a good indication of his range, maybe you can't distinguish it since his tessitura and vibrato obscure his range

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

he lip-synch a bulk of his performances and he wasn't the man behind his pen. 

 

To be fair, he wrote 80 percent of his own song, and off course he had writers/producers helping him on several songs and a lot of outtakes. MJ only started lipsyncing from the Dangerous Era on... it was only the dance heavy songs he started lipsyncing then. After the 1993 allegations and heavy painkiller usage he got Laryngitis somewhere around 1995 after the release of HIStory, and he had to lipsync the majority of the HIStory tour setlist. Anything up to the BAD era was performed live, when he was in his prime. 

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9 minutes ago, Derpplause said:

 

What got you pressed? He was by far one of the best male vocalists. He truly had a 4-octave range, and had power to his voice...and if you'd had watched his 2001 30th anniversary concert, you'd seen that he OUTSUNG Britney by a lightyear  so you tried it  

to be fair,  the blog states his vocal range wrong, he wasn't a tenor, but a countertenor

give me one example he doesn't have any range...

I think this a good indication of his range, maybe you can't distinguish it since his tessitura and vibrato obscure his range

 

 

His high notes are boarderline screaming like Beyoncé does... I can't believe that some of you think he's a vocalist. 

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2 minutes ago, Derpplause said:

To be fair, he wrote 80 percent of his own song, and off course he had writers/producers helping him on several songs and a lot of outtakes. MJ only started lipsyncing from the Dangerous Era on... it was only the dance heavy songs he started lipsyncing then. After the 1993 allegations and heavy painkiller usage he got Laryngitis somewhere around 1995 after the release of HIStory, and he had to lipsync the majority of the HIStory tour setlist. Anything up to the BAD era was performed live, when he was in his prime. 

He didn't write 80 percent of his music! Look in his booklets...  

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8 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

His high notes is boarderline screaming like Beyoncé does... I can't believe that some of you think he's a vocalist. 

 

 

well if you think singing is just with your chestvoice only, then nah. And what he does while "screaming" is not so different from Gospel solo singers .... it's called channeling emotions. ALSO if he's  screaming, then you could argue Whitney Houston screamed all the time...  I think it's more a thing of you disliking his vocals than seeing the actual skills  

I get the impression you just dislike soulful voices that use a lot of adlibs/melismas/grunts...

 

7 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

He didn't write 80 percent of his music! Look in his booklets...  

MJ did the same thing as what Gaga did, Gaga gives her producers song writing credits ...while maybe only they changed a word or two. Michael wrote a lot of stuff at Neverland in his home studio or in the songwriting tree, and went to a set of fixed producers (Bruce Swedien, Teddy Riley, Michael Prince (not his son tho), Brad Buxler) to mix and produce his demos, and he sometimes recorded songwriter demos sent in by others and producers he worked with.

You got to remember he was very isolated, and has written a lot of songs. Quincy Jones confirmed MJ and himself wrote up to 900 songs for the Thriller album together, and narrowed that down to 9 songs on the final album.

On his last real studio album, a lot of songwriter demos landed up on the album, but on albums from Off The Wall up to HIStory/HIStory In The Mix: Blood on The Dancefloor he wrote the majority of the songs himself. 

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Adele hasnt shown much versatility or range. All we know is she sounds good singing soulful type music thats it

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8 minutes ago, Derpplause said:

well if you think singing is just with your chestvoice only, then nah. And what he does while "screaming" is not so different from Gospel solo singers .... it's called channeling emotions. ALSO if he's  screaming, then you could argue Whitney Houston screamed all the time...  I think it's more a thing of you disliking his vocals than seeing the actual skills  

I get the impression you just dislike soulful voices that use a lot of adlibs/melismas/grunts...

 

MJ did the same thing as what Gaga did, Gaga gives her producers song writing credits ...while maybe only they changed a word or two. Michael wrote a lot of stuff at Neverland in his home studio or in the songwriting tree, and went to a set of fixed producers (Bruce Swedien, Teddy Riley, Michael Prince (not his son tho), Brad Buxler) to mix and produce his demos, and he sometimes recorded songwriter demos sent in by others and producers he worked with.

You got to remember he was very isolated, and has written a lot of songs. Quincy Jones confirmed MJ and himself wrote up to 900 songs for the Thriller album together, and narrowed that down to 9 songs on the final album.

On his last real studio album, a lot of songwriter demos landed up on the album, but on albums from Off The Wall up to HIStory/HIStory In The Mix: Blood on The Dancefloor he wrote the majority of the songs himself. 

No lol... wrong, Michael Jackson didn't give his producer ****... his producers wrote and produce those songs!!! Look it up, got to be there his first album until his last album in 2001. There a lot of songs where Michael name isn't even listed...  y'all give that man too much credit! All his songs on Motown were given too him! All of the songs on his first solo album were written for him!!! His bigger song thriller wasn't even written by him 

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8 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

No lol... wrong Michael Jackson didn't give his producer ****... his producers wrote and produce the songs!!! Look up got to be there his first album until his last album in 2001. There a lot of songs where Michael name isn't listed at all...  y'all give that man too much credit! All his songs on Motown where given too him! All of the songs on his first solo album were written for him!!! His bigger song thriller wasn't even written by him 

 

 

Actually wrong again, he did a lot of the production together with producers. 

Yeah his songs on most of the J5 eras and early MJ era when he was a kid were written by other artists (Berry Gordie, Leon Ware, Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson)

on BAD/Dangerous/History he wrote most of the material himself. Invincible was a mix of both his own input and sent in songwriter demos. During Bad & Dangerous he wrote so much that some songs ended up on HIStory and even some songs were supposed to land on an unreleased album after Invincible (which never happened due his untimely death, but it was confirmed  )

Thriller was RE written by Rod Temperton after Quincy thought Starlight Love wasn't strong enough lyrically, but MJ did write up the first demos. 

I'm curious what the tea is on that he didn't give his producers credit, they are all over his booklets and cd covers...even mentioned in a lot of books  

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7 minutes ago, Derpplause said:

Actually wrong again, he did a lot of the production together with producers. 

Yeah his songs on most of the J5 eras and early MJ era when he was a kid were written by other artists (Berry Gordie, Leon Ware, Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson)

on BAD/Dangerous/History he wrote most of the material himself. Invincible was a mix of both his own input and sent in songwriter demos. During Bad & Dangerous he wrote so much that some songs ended up on HIStory and even some songs were supposed to land on an unreleased album after Invincible (which never happened due his untimely death, but it was confirmed  )

Thriller was RE written by Rod Temperton after Quincy thought Starlight Love wasn't strong enough lyrically, but MJ did write up the first demos. 

Lol thriller was not rewritten by rod, where are your sources??? I'm looking at the booklet, Michael name isn't listed under the producing or writing part of that song. He isn't articulate enough to come up with something so genius. He like Beyoncé, I will take lead writing credits because I'm Beyoncé. Many people have asked  Michael Jackson about his writing process, from his body language you can tell he isn't the man behind the pen. It's the machine that making him seem better then he is. Having people write and produce for him all those years and then all of a sudden he this genius song writer??? Stop it  prince first album states written, produced composed and arranged by prince!!!! That's true talent. 

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5 minutes ago, Boyboi12 said:

Lol thriller was not rewritten by rod, where are your sources??? I'm looking at the booklet, Michael name isn't listed under the producing or writing part of that song. He isn't articulate enough to come up with something so genius. He like Beyoncé, I will take lead writing credits because I'm Beyoncé. Many people have asked  Michael Jackson about his writing process, from his body language you can tell he isn't the man behind the pen. It's the machine that making him seem better then he is. Having people write and produce for him all those and then all of a sudden he this genius song writer??? Stop it  prince first album states written, produced composed and arranged by prince!!!! That's true talent. 

 

 

 

I'm a long time fan of  MJ, and did a lot of research into him, don't try me

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rod-temperton-thriller-songwriter-dead-at-66-w443480

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/10/05/rod-temperton-songwriter-who-wrote-michael-jacksons-thriller---o/

original MJ home demo of Thriller, before being rewritten.

 

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1 hour ago, Boyboi12 said:

That list is bull... Michael Jackson???? He can't sing his way out of a paper bag 

If you don't think Michael could sing then you've never heard him sing anything other than a few of his hits. His vocal versatility rivals (and apparently beats) Gaga's tbh. That's all I'm saying

OT: It's so nice to see Gaga be appreciated like this. She's an absolute power house and I think putting her up there with the greatest voices in history is exactly where she belongs 

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1 minute ago, Derpplause said:

I'm a long time fan of  MJ, and did a lot of research into him, don't try me

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rod-temperton-thriller-songwriter-dead-at-66-w443480

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/10/05/rod-temperton-songwriter-who-wrote-michael-jacksons-thriller---o/

original MJ home demo of Thriller, before being rewritten.

 

I know the song! That still doesn't mean he wrote or had anything to do with his biggest hit.  I'm not knocking mj for being an entertainer, but that is all he was. He wasn't this great vocalist and song writer that people are trying to make him out to be... at most he probably wrote 40 percent of his catalog to be fair, if even that! Let's just be realistic and lay down the fan girl card. 

 

His funeral was private," Platt added. "He was often referred to as 'The Invisible Man.' He was the sole writer of multiple successful songs such as 'Thriller,' 'Off The Wall,' 'Rock With You,' [George Benson's] 'Give Me The Night,' [Michael McDonald's] 'Sweet Freedom,' [Heatwave's] 'Always & Forever' and 'Boogie Nights' to name just a few. His family is devastated and request total privacy at this, the saddest of sad times."

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2 minutes ago, PartySick said:

If you don't think Michael could sing then you've never heard him sing anything other than a few of his hits. His vocal versatility rivals (and apparently beats) Gaga's tbh. That's all I'm saying

OT: It's so nice to see Gaga be appreciated like this. She's an absolute power house and I think putting her up there with the greatest voices in history is exactly where she belongs 

He's not a vocalist! There is a difference between being a vocalist and a singer!!! if you think he sings better then Gaga something is wrong with you!