Taylor working on TS6, coming this year

[Raikov 183]

I've spent months away from pop forums and let me tell you, nobody knows or cares about Taylor Swift drama.  As long as the music is catchy, people are willing to forgive and forget the most insane stuff. The only sin in pop music for the general public is staying out of the spotlight too long.

In any case I hate all the music on the charts now, so if Taylor will herald in another age of pop girl domination, that's a trade-off I'm willing to make. Tired of all this DJ stuff. Plus she brings bops, regardless of whether you think it's ~true art~ or not. I have my sources for deep music; I need catchy pop tunes that'll make my friends collectively belt out the hook when it comes on the radio. Never thought I'd say this but please come through, Taylor.

Taylor being so sexual on IDWLF was really awkward. It's like a parody of a pop girl's career - start out a baby-faced innocent and end up sexualized. I don't know if any pop girl has actually resisted this trend? Lorde's singing about having one night stands, Taylor's writhing on a bed. I have 0 problems with pop stars owning their sexuality but I would honestly like it if some pop girl actually ended up not following that sexualized formula. Just to show that hey, it's okay to be a woman in music and you don't have to dress sexy and be casual about sex. There are multiple paths!

[Hi Its Nicole 5,428]

YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

14 hours ago, LDR said:

Honestly during all of her country albums and even Red, I didn't see any signs of her being a meal girl at all. And still when I look back I don't see anything that could have set it off for me. I was in middle/high school during those albums and don't recall ever thinking she reminded me of the people that were actively bullying me during school. She seemed like the best friend I didn't have yet who had just had silly, classic boy problems.

I didn't see any signs of it until the Calvin Harris mess. I think that's when everyone realized it. To this day I still stand by Taylor with the Kanye/Famous mishap because from the start she was clear he didn't tell her he was going to call her a bitch and even in Kim's "expose" tape, he still didn't tell her he was going to call her a bitch. But the Calvin Harris/TIWYCF/Writing Credits mess was when it all spilled out and I think/hope she knows that that really shined a bad light on her.

But anyways, I won't act like I don't like her anymore. She was a vital part of my teen years and I still love the music she puts out, and not just as a guilty pleasure. I will most likely support her next album and go see her on tour, but I just hope she gets an attitude adjustment. 

Well, here's a chronological rundown of my most offending songs (spoilered for length)
 

Spoiler

 

Picture To Burn - She becomes the psycho ex, actively saying that she's going to get revenge on him, threatening to go out with all his friends. This was also a classic example of Taylor being artificially altered to make herself look sweet and innocent - the change of a very offensive lyric when it became a single. The edited one went: "So go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine, you won't mind if I say..." but the original went: "So go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine, I'll tell all of mine you're gay." But homophobia isn't a good look, is it?

Fifteen - Likely not her intention, but she sets up her real life friend as being a tramp who made bad choices, in comparison to her own virginal self who made the right choices. This is especially obvious when she ends with saying that she decided not to marry her childhood crush and focused on her career...and immediately follows up by saying how her friend made the wrong choices.

You Belong With Me - This is typical teenage girl "I'm the only girl that's good for you" nonsense. Hate these songs when they come from both genders, it's just humble-bragging to the extreme. Her reasoning for why this girl isn't good enough for him is so vague and deals with stuff that every couple goes through at some point, in no way proving that she's the wrong girl for him. And if Taylor's songs are anything to go by, "going off about something that you said," "listening to the kind of music she doesn't like" and "since she brought you down," sound like stuff she herself does!

Speak Now - Taylor breaks up a wedding because she wants the groom for herself. This is You Belong With Me - The Extreme Version. Not much to say here.

Mean - This was a song directed at a critic who said that she couldn't sing. She suggests that he's going to be horrible and miserable for the rest of his life, flat-out calling him a liar and pathetic. Then has the gall to say that she'll be so much better off in the future than him. And she even tried to frame it as an anti-bullying anthem in her song. Another example of Taylor playing the innocent while actually being a mean girl. That song should have been written about her because everything that she describes is stuff that she herself does. And let's not even touch on how childish this song sounds, it's like parody.

Better Than Revenge - She never mentions if she was actually dating this guy or she was about to ask him out when this other girl got in first, so we don't know if she's being unneccesarily demonised or not. Again, this girl sounds exactly like Taylor! That second verse and chorus is almost spot on! This has got to be in Taylor's top 5  most meanest songs.

Innocent - What a condescending mess this song is. I don't know who in her team allowed this song to be put on an album. A girl who had just entered her twenties acting like a parent to a grown man in his thirties. I've never heard the like.

Blank Space - This is actually a good song and I thought: "Hurray! Taylor's finally become self-aware! She's finally got off her high horse and done some introspection!" But then she did a radio interview where she was asked about her inspiration for the song. And she said that the song was a joke and she decided to make a character based out of the untrue perceptions the media had made about her. Basically, the song is not introspection at all. She genuinely thinks all these problematic personality traits are complete fiction, not applying to her whatsoever. Taylor plays the innocent yet again.

Shake It Off - Again, saying that everything the public says about her is complete fiction, how ironic to follow it up with Blank Space which is supposed (haha, read above) to be about how the public is right in everything they say about her! I think making a song about how she doesn't care precisely shows that she does care. She's one of the thinnest skinned celebrities out there.

Bad Blood - Not much to say about this one. Tries to bring a female down for something so trivial while simultaneously making feminism a major selling point of her era. She even goes so far as to bring a whole army against the girl for nothing. Classic high school mean girl.

 

So, does that clear some things up? To me, she's just like the girl who's mean in private but when the right company enters, she turns sweet as pie. She hates people for the tiniest of slights. She criticises at will but hates on anyone who dares to criticise her. She frequently hates on girls in her songs despite claiming to be pro-female. She forms an exclusive club that mysteriously only seems to include the most relevant of names. Sounds like your classic high school mean girl to me.

Is the writing credits mess really the ultimate game-changer for you? I thought that was tame in comparison to other stuff she's done. In regards to the Famous situation, she made out like she didn't have any prior knowledge of the song at all, not just the bitch line. She made Kanye sound like he hadn't asked her permission for any part of it. It wasn't a matter of "Yeah, he asked me about the first part and I said it was fine but I didn't know about the bitch line," no, she claimed that she knew nothing whatsoever about this song. And what makes it worse was that she told Kanye at the time that if anyone asked her feelings about it, she'd just say that she was cool with it and that the joke would be on them and all. But she didn't keep her promise. Kim said: "She legitimately said, quote - 'As soon as I get on that Grammy red carpet, I'm gonna tell all the press, like I was in on it." But then she realised that playing the victim was going to get her so much more press. I also think her true colours were exposed when Calvin tweeted at her: "I know you're bored and are looking for someone to bury, i.e. Katy." That right there reads like an ex who knows a side to their past lover that no one else does. Taylor made a mistake dating him. Calvin has been known to be very scathing towards exes, as he proved with her.

 

3 hours ago, Raikov said:

Taylor being so sexual on IDWLF was really awkward. It's like a parody of a pop girl's career - start out a baby-faced innocent and end up sexualized. I don't know if any pop girl has actually resisted this trend? Lorde's singing about having one night stands, Taylor's writhing on a bed. I have 0 problems with pop stars owning their sexuality but I would honestly like it if some pop girl actually ended up not following that sexualized formula. Just to show that hey, it's okay to be a woman in music and you don't have to dress sexy and be casual about sex. There are multiple paths!

That's what I thought as well. She looks hot and all, but sexiness is something that she's always struggled with portraying genuinely. She's gained some more womanly elegance as she's got older but still struggles with truly making me believe that she's a sexual being. As for any pop girls who have resisted the sexualised trend, all I think of is Kelly Clarkson. She has always seemed to be devoted to one person and she's now married and a mother. She actually made a song called I Do Not Hook Up - how refreshing to actually hear a young singer actively say that they don't do one night stands! Yeah, I'm the same, I don't have a problem with artists singing about sex but it would just be nice if one of them would actually say that they only date people if they actually feel a connection and only have sex if they're in love. The only way you'll find music like that now is if you go to the extreme end of the spectrum and look for Christian music. But trying to find that middle ground is so difficult. You either have to be promiscuous or saving yourself until marriage in music now. It's no wonder that the youth are having sex at earlier and earlier ages and are growing up too fast - society is shouting out at them from a loudhailer to be a sexy, sexual, sex-haver from every angle. And it's also not surprising that there's so much underage drinking and fake ID situations. Music telling them that drinking, partying and clubbing are the only way to have fun. Sure, it's naive to blame these behaviours purely on music, but you have to consider...why weren't these things an issue back in our parents days? When music, tv and film was innocent, it didn't give young people ideas.

[JeffSwift 314]

15 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Well, here's a chronological rundown of my most offending songs (spoilered for length)
 

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Picture To Burn - She becomes the psycho ex, actively saying that she's going to get revenge on him, threatening to go out with all his friends. This was also a classic example of Taylor being artificially altered to make herself look sweet and innocent - the change of a very offensive lyric when it became a single. The edited one went: "So go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine, you won't mind if I say..." but the original went: "So go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine, I'll tell all of mine you're gay." But homophobia isn't a good look, is it?

Fifteen - Likely not her intention, but she sets up her real life friend as being a tramp who made bad choices, in comparison to her own virginal self who made the right choices. This is especially obvious when she ends with saying that she decided not to marry her childhood crush and focused on her career...and immediately follows up by saying how her friend made the wrong choices.

You Belong With Me - This is typical teenage girl "I'm the only girl that's good for you" nonsense. Hate these songs when they come from both genders, it's just humble-bragging to the extreme. Her reasoning for why this girl isn't good enough for him is so vague and deals with stuff that every couple goes through at some point, in no way proving that she's the wrong girl for him. And if Taylor's songs are anything to go by, "going off about something that you said," "listening to the kind of music she doesn't like" and "since she brought you down," sound like stuff she herself does!

Speak Now - Taylor breaks up a wedding because she wants the groom for herself. This is You Belong With Me - The Extreme Version. Not much to say here.

Mean - This was a song directed at a critic who said that she couldn't sing. She suggests that he's going to be horrible and miserable for the rest of his life, flat-out calling him a liar and pathetic. Then has the gall to say that she'll be so much better off in the future than him. And she even tried to frame it as an anti-bullying anthem in her song. Another example of Taylor playing the innocent while actually being a mean girl. That song should have been written about her because everything that she describes is stuff that she herself does. And let's not even touch on how childish this song sounds, it's like parody.

Better Than Revenge - She never mentions if she was actually dating this guy or she was about to ask him out when this other girl got in first, so we don't know if she's being unneccesarily demonised or not. Again, this girl sounds exactly like Taylor! That second verse and chorus is almost spot on! This has got to be in Taylor's top 5  most meanest songs.

Innocent - What a condescending mess this song is. I don't know who in her team allowed this song to be put on an album. A girl who had just entered her twenties acting like a parent to a grown man in his thirties. I've never heard the like.

Blank Space - This is actually a good song and I thought: "Hurray! Taylor's finally become self-aware! She's finally got off her high horse and done some introspection!" But then she did a radio interview where she was asked about her inspiration for the song. And she said that the song was a joke and she decided to make a character based out of the untrue perceptions the media had made about her. Basically, the song is not introspection at all. She genuinely thinks all these problematic personality traits are complete fiction, not applying to her whatsoever. Taylor plays the innocent yet again.

Shake It Off - Again, saying that everything the public says about her is complete fiction, how ironic to follow it up with Blank Space which is supposed (haha, read above) to be about how the public is right in everything they say about her! I think making a song about how she doesn't care precisely shows that she does care. She's one of the thinnest skinned celebrities out there.

Bad Blood - Not much to say about this one. Tries to bring a female down for something so trivial while simultaneously making feminism a major selling point of her era. She even goes so far as to bring a whole army against the girl for nothing. Classic high school mean girl.

 

So, does that clear some things up? To me, she's just like the girl who's mean in private but when the right company enters, she turns sweet as pie. She hates people for the tiniest of slights. She criticises at will but hates on anyone who dares to criticise her. She frequently hates on girls in her songs despite claiming to be pro-female. She forms an exclusive club that mysteriously only seems to include the most relevant of names. Sounds like your classic high school mean girl to me.

Is the writing credits mess really the ultimate game-changer for you? I thought that was tame in comparison to other stuff she's done. In regards to the Famous situation, she made out like she didn't have any prior knowledge of the song at all, not just the bitch line. She made Kanye sound like he hadn't asked her permission for any part of it. It wasn't a matter of "Yeah, he asked me about the first part and I said it was fine but I didn't know about the bitch line," no, she claimed that she knew nothing whatsoever about this song. And what makes it worse was that she told Kanye at the time that if anyone asked her feelings about it, she'd just say that she was cool with it and that the joke would be on them and all. But she didn't keep her promise. Kim said: "She legitimately said, quote - 'As soon as I get on that Grammy red carpet, I'm gonna tell all the press, like I was in on it." But then she realised that playing the victim was going to get her so much more press. I also think her true colours were exposed when Calvin tweeted at her: "I know you're bored and are looking for someone to bury, i.e. Katy." That right there reads like an ex who knows a side to their past lover that no one else does. Taylor made a mistake dating him. Calvin has been known to be very scathing towards exes, as he proved with her.

 

That's what I thought as well. She looks hot and all, but sexiness is something that she's always struggled with portraying genuinely. She's gained some more womanly elegance as she's got older but still struggles with truly making me believe that she's a sexual being. As for any pop girls who have resisted the sexualised trend, all I think of is Kelly Clarkson. She has always seemed to be devoted to one person and she's now married and a mother. She actually made a song called I Do Not Hook Up - how refreshing to actually hear a young singer actively say that they don't do one night stands! Yeah, I'm the same, I don't have a problem with artists singing about sex but it would just be nice if one of them would actually say that they only date people if they actually feel a connection and only have sex if they're in love. The only way you'll find music like that now is if you go to the extreme end of the spectrum and look for Christian music. But trying to find that middle ground is so difficult. You either have to be promiscuous or saving yourself until marriage in music now. It's no wonder that the youth are having sex at earlier and earlier ages and are growing up too fast - society is shouting out at them from a loudhailer to be a sexy, sexual, sex-haver from every angle. And it's also not surprising that there's so much underage drinking and fake ID situations. Music telling them that drinking, partying and clubbing are the only way to have fun. Sure, it's naive to blame these behaviours purely on music, but you have to consider...why weren't these things an issue back in our parents days? When music, tv and film was innocent, it didn't give young people ideas.

Your obsession with Taylor is borderline scary 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

6 hours ago, JeffSwift said:

Your obsession with Taylor is borderline scary 

I research most things this way, it's nothing to be concerned about. As I review music from all genres, I'm used to researching an artist's entire discography. Obviously, some big names with big profiles fascinate me more than others and Taylor's definitely one of them. How is it any scarier than a fan who knows just as much?

[Whispering 18,865]

On 4/8/2017 at 3:33 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

...Music telling them that drinking, partying and clubbing are the only way to have fun. Sure, it's naive to blame these behaviours purely on music, but you have to consider...why weren't these things an issue back in our parents days? When music, tv and film was innocent, it didn't give young people ideas.

What?! Most people here have parents that didn't grow up in the time of innocent music, tv shows and movies.

How old are your parents? In their seventies? 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

17 hours ago, Whispering said:

What?! Most people here have parents that didn't grow up in the time of innocent music, tv shows and movies.

How old are your parents? In their seventies? 

When I said "our parents," I wasn't necessarily meaning the parents of everyone here. I'm sure most people understood what I meant. And not that it's any of your business, but I'm 27 and my parents had me later in life, so they're 65 and 66. They grew up in the 50's and they never had any desire to grow up too fast, neither did any of their peers. Kids back then also weren't as hyper either, because media and society didn't encourage them to be. Media doesn't play the only role, but a distinctive one nevertheless.

[Whispering 18,865]

10 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

When I said "our parents," I wasn't necessarily meaning the parents of everyone here. I'm sure most people understood what I meant. And not that it's any of your business, but I'm 27 and my parents had me later in life, so they're 65 and 66. They grew up in the 50's and they never had any desire to grow up too fast, neither did any of their peers. Kids back then also weren't as hyper either, because media and society didn't encourage them to be. Media doesn't play the only role, but a distinctive one nevertheless.

Your parents were in junior high and high school in the sixties, you know...the sexual revolution of the 1960s, also called the "Love Generation". The teens, college kids in the sixties weren't sheltered and "calm"! Lol

Maybe your parents were sheltered and closed off from the radical changes, civil unrest, etc...but most young adults were not.

When you say our parents, then it makes sense that you are referring to the majority here. Most people here have parents that experienced their teen and young adult years in the 60s, 70s or 80s...hardly times where kids were not inundated with messages about sex. Those were not sheltered times!  

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

2 hours ago, Whispering said:

Your parents were in junior high and high school in the sixties, you know...the sexual revolution of the 1960s, also called the "Love Generation". The teens, college kids in the sixties weren't sheltered and "calm"! Lol

Maybe your parents were sheltered and closed off from the radical changes, civil unrest, etc...but most young adults were not.

When you say our parents, then it makes sense that you are referring to the majority here. Most people here have parents that experienced their teen and young adult years in the 60s, 70s or 80s...hardly times where kids were not inundated with messages about sex. Those were not sheltered times!  

Yeah, but they weren't screwing everything that moved. My dad left school at 15 and was straight into work and caring for his 5 siblings. My mother was highly studious and concentrated on her education and was one of a very select few in her area to go to university. I remember my mum saying that she didn't hear the worst of swear-words until she was at least 16. They didn't start getting exposed to the adult ideas that we have now until they were much older. It's too simplistic to write off any generation that went through the 60's to be wild and carefree. My parents didn't even grow up in religious, rural families. They came from families for whom religion wasn't a factor and lived in rough streets on the outskirts of town. Remember that I'm in Britain. 50's British childhood was different from 50's American childhood. America was more advanced in lots of ways. I remember watching Grease and thinking: "What high schools like this existed in the 50's?" Sam for fashions. In America, it was a different ball game.

Ok, I wasn't referring to the majority here but I don't think everything I say should be in reference to GGD specifically!

[Whispering 18,865]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yeah, but they weren't screwing everything that moved. My dad left school at 15 and was straight into work and caring for his 5 siblings. My mother was highly studious and concentrated on her education and was one of a very select few in her area to go to university. I remember my mum saying that she didn't hear the worst of swear-words until she was at least 16. They didn't start getting exposed to the adult ideas that we have now until they were much older. It's too simplistic to write off any generation that went through the 60's to be wild and carefree. My parents didn't even grow up in religious, rural families. They came from families for whom religion wasn't a factor and lived in rough streets on the outskirts of town. Remember that I'm in Britain. 50's British childhood was different from 50's American childhood. America was more advanced in lots of ways. I remember watching Grease and thinking: "What high schools like this existed in the 50's?" Sam for fashions. In America, it was a different ball game.

Ok, I wasn't referring to the majority here but I don't think everything I say should be in reference to GGD specifically!

I didn't say that the whole generation was wild and carefree...just that if you grew up in the 60s/70s/80s, the music, tv shows and movies weren't exactly non-sexual.  

And why are you talking about the fifties again? Your parents were in elementary school mostly then. Lol 

When you say "our parents" on GGD, most people are going to think you are referring to those here. The way you stated it certainly seemed to refer to that group. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

On 10/04/2017 at 10:44 PM, Whispering said:

I didn't say that the whole generation was wild and carefree...just that if you grew up in the 60s/70s/80s, the music, tv shows and movies weren't exactly non-sexual.  

And why are you talking about the fifties again? Your parents were in elementary school mostly then. Lol 

When you say "our parents" on GGD, most people are going to think you are referring to those here. The way you stated it certainly seemed to refer to that group. 

Look, why do you have to over-analyse every little thing I say and find fault with it? You're another one who's been silently liking negative posts about me recently too. I'm getting sick of people's subtle little ways to bring me down.

[Whispering 18,865]

23 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Look, why do you have to over-analyse every little thing I say and find fault with it? You're another one who's been silently liking negative posts about me recently too. I'm getting sick of people's subtle little ways to bring me down.

What? I hardly ever see any posts about you. (Unless they are in the TS threads, which is common) If I like the post, it's because there is something in the comment I agreed with. Your obsession with who is liking comments is a bit paranoid...and the jump to victimization over a disagreement is, as well. 

I haven't made a reply to any of your comments in ages. The only reason I replied to this one is because you were painting a picture of a reality that simply doesn't exist for the majority of teens and young adults that frequent this forum. Of course, there will always be exceptions, but your observation did not speak to the reality of the majority. 

 

[Jed 7,716]

On 4/5/2017 at 7:14 PM, Bloody said:

I just hope she won't be everywhere like Ed and Drake

But her songs are nice, I liked 3-4 songs from 1989.

 

was Drake everywhere? He did like 0 promo

[Maleficent 6]

On 2017-04-10 at 11:02 AM, Whispering said:

Your parents were in junior high and high school in the sixties, you know...the sexual revolution of the 1960s, also called the "Love Generation". The teens, college kids in the sixties weren't sheltered and "calm"! Lol

Maybe your parents were sheltered and closed off from the radical changes, civil unrest, etc...but most young adults were not.

When you say our parents, then it makes sense that you are referring to the majority here. Most people here have parents that experienced their teen and young adult years in the 60s, 70s or 80s...hardly times where kids were not inundated with messages about sex. Those were not sheltered times!  

Haha, my mum was a teenager in the early 90s, and she used to sneak to a friends house and read Madonna's Sex book. Our parents were probably worse than us, because they still had to hide it to an extent--sexual expression wasn't as free back then (especially for women). 

OT: Her music is annoying--I hate the way she "sing-talks", I wish she would go back to doing country. 

[Glamourpuss 29,062]

Yay. 

I hope it's closer to the Red album in sound.