Beyonce and Taylor's touring practices

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

I'm sure they do their best to bring their tours to other countries. But even as you mentioned in your first post, both of their recent tours are stadium tours. They know they can't fill a stadium in certain countries and don't want to downsize the production of their show just to fit a smaller crowd.

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22 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Doesn't mean she'd have demand in other cities, though. Maybe Beijing, tops.

Yep, she became even bigger, yet toured in less countries. The Red tour went to 12 countries and it would've been 13 if the Thailand gig wasn't unexpectantly cancelled. She becomes even bigger with 1989, the biggest album of her career...and only performs in 10 countries. Now, I'm no mathematician or businessperson but...unless she's seriously trying to get the public so hyped up for her next tour in order for it to be her most extensive tour to date (which I doubt), then I really don't know what she's going for here.

Taylor is huge in China. 1989 sold enough copies to go Platinum on the first week, and spent several weeks at #1, finishing at 5x Platinum. She's like one of the two biggest western artists there at the moment alongside with Adele!

And yeah. Apparently the logic behind the Red Tour being like that was that she wanted to go all out on new markets with the 1989 tour. But looks like we'll have to wait until the next time around to see what happens!

[StrawberryBlond 14,774]

@Bebe I don't think we'll agree anymore, so it's best we just leave it here. But just know that I do understand and respect your point. I just don't see any point in us continuing to talk in circles.

On 05/04/2017 at 10:24 PM, paul said:

1. They're human beings, they can only cope with so much travelling. It's unhealthy to constantly be on planes, whether any other artist does it or not.

2. They likely have ZERO control themselves over where the tour goes, so you are moaning about them for things beyond their control

1. That's very true. Constant plane travel will be exposing you to a lot of the elements and naturally, some artists may get travel sickness or just be a bit scared of it. Though, when they get to these countries, particularly US, Canada, UK and Australia, they can just get around the country on a tour bus.

2. I'm not blaming the artists, necessarily. I understand that the tour company decides the dates but if the artist in question is a very big, successful name, like Beyonce and Taylor, I'm sure they can put forward a suggestion. For example, if Taylor's touring company said to her: "You covered Asia well enough last time, so we won't go there this time," she could, with her status, tell them that she really wants to go and they need to make it work. It's well known that her label lets her do whatever she wants because she is the most successful artist on their books and she's never had a flop album. I'm sure if she said that she wanted to tour in a certain area, they'd take her wishes into consideration. Like I said before, if some artists can refuse to tour at all, then surely they can have some say in where they tour if they decide to?

2 hours ago, alestevens said:

Taylor is huge in China. 1989 sold enough copies to go Platinum on the first week, and spent several weeks at #1, finishing at 5x Platinum. She's like one of the two biggest western artists there at the moment alongside with Adele!

And yeah. Apparently the logic behind the Red Tour being like that was that she wanted to go all out on new markets with the 1989 tour. But looks like we'll have to wait until the next time around to see what happens!

I must have glanced over her success in China because I don't remember seeing that 100k stat on Wikipedia for 1989 until now - holy s**t! But even so, that doesn't always translate into touring sales. Mariah Carey was massive in the US for years but strangely, she never had much touring demand there and she mostly performed in theatres and even when she did do arena tours, they were always tiny. She only did 3 tours in her entire life that properly toured in the States. She actually never toured in America at all the majority of the time! It's weird how some artists are like that, even if they're known for being good singers. It's all about knowing when to show restraint and when to tour as much as you can.

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On 4/1/2017 at 5:58 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

And despite her recent albums really connecting with her black audience, she's done no dates in Africa (and she's only gone there twice in her entire career, at that). I gather that Africa is a somewhat dangerous place to tour in nowadays but she couldn't even risk South Africa?

...........Anyways i was going to write my opinion but it's basically all of the below:

On 4/2/2017 at 4:52 AM, Denys said:

Am in Africa for Christ sakes and it's not unsafe to tour here! They are just scared they won't make enough coins from the continent except SA ofcos no one even buys albums or songs over here 

 

On 4/2/2017 at 8:19 AM, Leeo said:

Interesting reading but easy question: Money.

 

Places like Asia & Latin America are "way harder" to go than Europe + Asia. Think about Formation \ 1989 tour stage... the whole setup + the show concept. It's unlikely that u will be able to perform the same concert if u're not using the original stage... 

 

But, in fact, it's just TOO EXPENSIVE to travel with these extrutures around, especially, South America. 

If u check around, except for Gaga & Madonna, almost no one brings the original stages\performances. 

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Prismatic World Tour

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Certain shows (Like FORMATION & 1989) are just impossible to do without it's original extructure. There are cases where the production will be "toned-down" but even that way still a hard thing. Everything turns out to be really expensive...

 

8 hours ago, LDR said:

I'm sure they do their best to bring their tours to other countries. But even as you mentioned in your first post, both of their recent tours are stadium tours. They know they can't fill a stadium in certain countries and don't want to downsize the production of their show just to fit a smaller crowd.

 

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19 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

...........Anyways i was going to write my opinion but it's basically all of the below:

Look, why do you keep responding to me like this? It's like I'm a little kid who's just said something totally uninformed but they don't realise because they're a kid and the adults just look at each other and grin at their innocence. Or you've just worked out the punchline to a really good joke but just think it's too intelligent for me to understand. If you respect my mind as much as you said you do, you could at least respect my intelligence because I've always respected yours.

Africa is dangerous, people who live there testify to that. The cities go through the same problems that any other city goes through and worse. It's common for most people to have a literal enclosure around their property with a padlock on it over there. In South Africa, there are gated communities for a reason. I once saw a World's Strictest Parents episode where the badly behaved kids were sent to a farm in a Johannesburg township and they were forbidden from walking the streets alone, even during the day, as it wasn't safe. The girl disobeyed and walked out, asking strangers in the streets for a cigarette. The father almost went crazy searching for her and everyone was so worried that something bad could've happened to her. He said that hijackings and rapes happen in this area everyday. I know someone whose family live in Cape Town who've just moved out because it's just too unsafe and they wanted someone with more security. Have you heard about the killings of white farmers that go on over there? That doesn't even take in the terrorist attacks that have occured in Tunisia and Kenya. I think the eBola disease put a lot of people off touring there as well. And this isn't just limited to Africa. Hijackings are a common crime in a lot of areas of Latin America, it was believed that this was a big concern to Gaga's team when she toured there. Sometimes, even when you have security, the worst can still happen.

So, don't talk to me like I'm speaking from a place of ignorance on this issue. I've researched it and I just choose not to sugar-coat things. I still don't think these issues are a reason to avoid touring these areas altogether but I can understand why some singers choose not to.

[DemeLarell 931]

9 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Look, why do you keep responding to me like this? It's like I'm a little kid who's just said something totally uninformed but they don't realise because they're a kid and the adults just look at each other and grin at their innocence. Or you've just worked out the punchline to a really good joke but just think it's too intelligent for me to understand. If you respect my mind as much as you said you do, you could at least respect my intelligence because I've always respected yours.

Africa is dangerous, people who live there testify to that. The cities go through the same problems that any other city goes through and worse. It's common for most people to have a literal enclosure around their property with a padlock on it over there. In South Africa, there are gated communities for a reason. I once saw a World's Strictest Parents episode where the badly behaved kids were sent to a farm in a Johannesburg township and they were forbidden from walking the streets alone, even during the day, as it wasn't safe. The girl disobeyed and walked out, asking strangers in the streets for a cigarette. The father almost went crazy searching for her and everyone was so worried that something bad could've happened to her. He said that hijackings and rapes happen in this area everyday. I know someone whose family live in Cape Town who've just moved out because it's just too unsafe and they wanted someone with more security. Have you heard about the killings of white farmers that go on over there? That doesn't even take in the terrorist attacks that have occured in Tunisia and Kenya. I think the eBola disease put a lot of people off touring there as well. And this isn't just limited to Africa. Hijackings are a common crime in a lot of areas of Latin America, it was believed that this was a big concern to Gaga's team when she toured there. Sometimes, even when you have security, the worst can still happen.

So, don't talk to me like I'm speaking from a place of ignorance on this issue. I've researched it and I just choose not to sugar-coat things. I still don't think these issues are a reason to avoid touring these areas altogether but I can understand why some singers choose not to.

Once again you missed my point. You are intelligent and i see you do research. I just think the conclusions are ludicrous. I don't think you understand your sweeping generalizations can be offensive, especially towards other races. Imagine someone thinking America is very dangerous just based on the mass shootings we have had. It's absurd to have pseudo intellectual statements like that.  

[StrawberryBlond 14,774]

13 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

Once again you missed my point. You are intelligent and i see you do research. I just think the conclusions are ludicrous. I don't think you understand your sweeping generalizations can be offensive, especially towards other races. Imagine someone thinking America is very dangerous just based on the mass shootings we have had. It's absurd to have pseudo intellectual statements like that.  

It may be a sweeping generalisation but it's somewhat true. I didn't say that there aren't safer areas nor did I say that all Africans are criminals. I'm just being realistic about the situation. Its inhabitants sure are. When my friend told me about living in SA and about how she doesn't like taking public transport because it's not reliable, I didn't want to add in "and it's dangerous too, right?" because I didn't want to offend her by potentially insinuating that she lives in a hotbed of crime. But I didn't need to because she ended with "...and after a certain time, it gets very dangerous too." Telling the truth about a situation is just being realistic, not offensive. I live in one of the most disadvantaged areas in my country and there are certain areas near me that I have misgivings about, as do its residents. We're just honest about where we live and its problems. Whenever someone refers to our area as "rough," we're like "Well, yeah." We know that doesn't mean everyone who lives there is bad or that everyone there is below the poverty line but we know what people are talking about when they say we live in a problematic area. A sweeping generalisation about the residents is really bad but a generalisation about the area itself as a whole is just realistic to me.

And people do say that America is very dangerous based on mass shootings they've had. That's partly why my mum doesn't want to holiday there, much as I'd like to. She doesn't even like the concept of going down to London (she really wasn't happy about me going there to see the BTWB). She doesn't even like the fact I'm going to Birmingham to see Gaga. She just sees all the terrorist attacks and crime that goes down in these areas and gets worried. But I know it's not for racist or xenophobic reasons, it's purely because of the nature of the crimes, not who's committing them. There's no need to be offended over a concern that comes purely from realism.

[DemeLarell 931]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It may be a sweeping generalisation but it's somewhat true. I didn't say that there aren't safer areas nor did I say that all Africans are criminals. I'm just being realistic about the situation. Its inhabitants sure are. When my friend told me about living in SA and about how she doesn't like taking public transport because it's not reliable, I didn't want to add in "and it's dangerous too, right?" because I didn't want to offend her by potentially insinuating that she lives in a hotbed of crime. But I didn't need to because she ended with "...and after a certain time, it gets very dangerous too." Telling the truth about a situation is just being realistic, not offensive. I live in one of the most disadvantaged areas in my country and there are certain areas near me that I have misgivings about, as do its residents. We're just honest about where we live and its problems. Whenever someone refers to our area as "rough," we're like "Well, yeah." We know that doesn't mean everyone who lives there is bad or that everyone there is below the poverty line but we know what people are talking about when they say we live in a problematic area. A sweeping generalisation about the residents is really bad but a generalisation about the area itself as a whole is just realistic to me.

And people do say that America is very dangerous based on mass shootings they've had. That's partly why my mum doesn't want to holiday there, much as I'd like to. She doesn't even like the concept of going down to London (she really wasn't happy about me going there to see the BTWB). She doesn't even like the fact I'm going to Birmingham to see Gaga. She just sees all the terrorist attacks and crime that goes down in these areas and gets worried. But I know it's not for racist or xenophobic reasons, it's purely because of the nature of the crimes, not who's committing them. There's no need to be offended over a concern that comes purely from realism.

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