Whispering 18,865 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: This is gathered from information leading up to the release of joanne, where everyone was stating how they wanted dark music, BTW 2.0, an updated TFM, and so on. Not a single person said that wanted music in the style of Joanne, so yes, no one said that they wanted an album like Joanne, but they were foaming for the previously stated musical directions, so what's your point again? And there's no projection, because it's pretty clear the fanbase (on here at least) is divided on their satisfaction with joanne, not just myself and a handful of others. Not a single person here? That's simply not true. Many here wanted some kind of rock album and many here wanted something stripped back or acoustic. Yes, this very small slice of Gaga's fanbase is primarily people who gravitate towards pop "bops" and a large majority here were brought in during the BTW era...but there are many outside this small group that didn't care for BTW and are enjoying Gaga's last three eras more! People in that category are not lying. People may be divided here, but there is still a large portion here that are loving this album! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: This is gathered from information leading up to the release of joanne, where everyone was stating how they wanted dark music, BTW 2.0, an updated TFM, and so on. Not a single person said that wanted music in the style of Joanne, so yes, no one said that they wanted an album like Joanne, but they were foaming for the previously stated musical directions, so what's your point again? More assumptions... I also gathered from information that many people wanted her to deviate in style from what she's done before and release something "softer," me being one of them. I don't know how you can gather that everyone here wanted something in line with BTW or TFM. But anyway, say you're right about "no one" wanting an album like Joanne, even if people were expecting an album BTW and TFM, how does that imply that they still don't like, appreciate, or want an album like Joanne? Since when does what people want and expect have to correlate with how they respond to something? I couldn't expect Gaga to go Americana pop, in the same way I couldn't expect her to release a jazz album, but that doesn't mean I don't like it or am dissatisfied with it. In fact I love it, and want to hear more from her doing this kind of music. "And there's no projection, because it's pretty clear the fanbase (on here at least) is divided on their satisfaction with joanne, not just myself and a handful of others. " as they are with everything she releases, so I'm not sure how Joanne is that different from the amount of dissatisfaction with her other albums. People trashed ARTPOP when it came out and were incredibly dissapointed with the music. I take issue with you thinking everyone here who likes this album is genuinely convincing themselves they like it. I've heard this sentiment echoed before on this site, and it confuses me why some people can't understand that what Gaga made on Joanne is good (amazing imo) in the eyes of many of her fans. But maybe you should probably stop assuming the majority of people think the way you do and perhaps bop to Telephone on repeat in the meanwhile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Whispering said: Not a single person here? That's simply not true. Many here wanted some kind of rock album and many here wanted something stripped back or acoustic. Yes, this very small slice of Gaga's fanbase is primarily people who gravitate towards pop "bops" and a large majority here were brought in during the BTW era...but there are many outside this small group that didn't care for BTW and are enjoying Gaga's last three eras more! People in that category are not lying. People may be divided here, but there is still a large portion here that are loving this album! I can accept this response a lot better than others. I'm on here literally every day and I do not recall anyone saying they wanted a stripped back album, there was the discussion of 'analog' and 'real instruments' and from what I recall people expressed interest, but no one, as I recall, was 100% for an album dedicated entirely to that direction. If people say they genuinely 'love' this album and this is 'exactly' what they wanted, then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbitsmear 81 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 3/9/2017 at 4:53 AM, caseymonster said: how can u not see the album is rushed, let me give you examples: -"one,five, ten lay a million on me, before the end of the song" gaga freaking rhimed song with me?! In the most weak pre corus she ever ****ing created. -ayo has rock vocals over tubas that sound like they were taken from shake it off. Also, that annoying repetition of mirror on the ceiling is cringing me and has nothing to do with any part of the song. -dancing in circles is a metaphore to jerking off and it just pains me and obvious it is. Like when its this obvious she might as well say what she means. Again, display of lack of efford on creativity. -perfect illusions lyrics are soooo freaking cheesy and repetitive She had tame impala work with her, but this was just annoyingly repetitive, bad bad bad guitar riffs and vocal mixture, like that yell "aaaaaa it was a perfect illusion" is done so badly. -sinners pray is the most pointless song ive heard. She might as well not put it. Awesome start with the guitar. Bad bad bad chorus. Horrible vocals, i cant believe they worked with father john misty on this. -gaga didnt even write a single word in come to mama. Its original is cum to mama and she just bought it and badly executed it into slmething that sounds like its made by maghen trainer -angel down starts so nicely. And progresses to be the most anti climatic song on the album with literary no ****ing bridge (the bridge consists of gaga saying oh oh ooh for 40 seconds) You could say the same for many songs on gag's discography tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bujibu 462 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I have to agree and also disagree. Some songs lack it (Angel Down just feels...meh) while others you can feel it (Perfect Illusion, Million Reasons). Personally it's hard to pinpoint because there's a lot of factors at hand (I hate Just Another Day on the album, but the Dive Bar performance of it was spectacular, with a lot of feeling that the studio recording just doesn't convey; I blame that damn kazoo sound). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: I can accept this response a lot better than others. I'm on here literally every day and I do not recall anyone saying they wanted a stripped back album, there was the discussion of 'analog' and 'real instruments' and from what I recall people expressed interest, but no one, as I recall, was 100% for an album dedicated entirely to that direction. If people say they genuinely 'love' this album and this is 'exactly' what they wanted, then so be it. Go back and look at old threads, there were many in those threads that stated they would be interested in something of that nature. You act like no one here likes acoustic music or stripped back piano songs. Look at how many people on GGD are all about everything Lana puts out or how many here are loving Lorde's new ballad. Not everyone on this site listens to dance songs or even pop music. For many people here, Gaga was an exception...they don't care much for other pop music. Also, many are open minded to new directions from their favorite artists. I am one of those people! I love when my favorites surprise me or show me something different! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Gov Hooka said: More assumptions... I also gathered from information that many people wanted her to deviate in style from what she's done before and release something "softer," me being one of them. I don't know how you can gather that everyone here wanted something in line with BTW or TFM. But anyway, say you're right about "no one" wanting an album like Joanne, even if people were expecting an album BTW and TFM, how does that imply that they still don't like, appreciate, or want an album like Joanne? Since when does what people want and expect have to correlate with how they respond to something? I couldn't expect Gaga to go Americana pop, in the same way I couldn't expect her to release a jazz album, but that doesn't mean I don't like it or am dissatisfied with it. In fact I love it, and want to hear more from her doing this kind of music. "And there's no projection, because it's pretty clear the fanbase (on here at least) is divided on their satisfaction with joanne, not just myself and a handful of others. " as they are with everything she releases, so I'm not sure how Joanne is that different from the amount of dissatisfaction with her other albums. People trashed ARTPOP when it came out and were incredibly dissapointed with the music. I take issue with you thinking everyone here who likes this album is genuinely convincing themselves they like it. I've heard this sentiment echoed before on this site, and it confuses me why some people can't understand that what Gaga made on Joanne is good (amazing imo) in the eyes of many of her fans. Typically, when you expect and want something, and you're given something completely different, most people do exhibit disappointment, which is probably why AP and Joanne have been met with so much scrutiny, because they are vast departures from what she started doing (perhaps not so much AP). Perhaps saying "everyone who loves the album is lying to themselves..." was a little ignorant, because people do express love for Joanne, and perhaps I'm being cynical in my views on their views towards the album, because Joanne was not what I wanted and I am dissatisfied with it. Plus, on here, there are a lot of people who lick gagas ass for every and anything she does, and for those who say Joanne is in the same league or better than TF/M just baffles me, which is why I stated in my original post that I can't tell people their wrong for their tastes. I didn't attack their taste in music, unlike a few others but I did bring into question the level of genuineness for their love of Joanne. Again, another outcome based on my own cynicism and dissatisfaction with joanne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
just another gay 836 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 It's been six months and those Joanne haters still keep trying... You are free to express your preference and taste in music, but calling it "lack souls" is a disrespect to gaga and the producers. and Joanne has country influences but it doesn't make it a country album. just like BTW has some rock elements but I wouldn't call it a rock album.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Whispering said: Go back and look at old threads, there were many in those threads that stated they would be interested in something of that nature. You act like no one here likes acoustic music or stripped back piano songs. Look at how many people on GGD are all about everything Lana puts out or how many here are loving Lorde's new ballad. Not everyone on this site listens to dance songs or even pop music. For many people here, Gaga was an exception...they don't care much for other pop music. I never said that they didn't like that kind of music, I love that kind of music. But I do not like gaga to do that kind of music. I guess that means I'm one of those people who has gaga in a box and whenever she deviates from that box, I dont/wont like it, and that's fine, because it'll be me who doesn't enjoy gagas future projects. I enjoy music as a collective whole, and I enjoy gaga based on what she's did in her earlier career, and haven't cared for anything she's really put out since BTW, and maybe that's a combination of me growing up and growing out of gaga, and as a result perhaps I shouldn't offer my views on her current projects because 2008/11Ga will always be on a pedastal for me, and maybe I'll never be satisfied with her again. Who knows. Maybe I originally sounded like I was discrediting joanne and the positive reception because I didn't enjoy it. Idk. I think I'm done here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: I didn't attack their taste in music, unlike a few others You're right. I apologize Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: I never said that they didn't like that kind of music, I love that kind of music. But I do not like gaga to do that kind of music. I guess that means I'm one of those people who has gaga in a box and whenever she deviates from that box, I dont/wont like it, and that's fine, because it'll be me who doesn't enjoy gagas future projects. I enjoy music as a collective whole, and I enjoy gaga based on what she's did in her earlier career, and haven't cared for anything she's really put out since BTW, and maybe that's a combination of me growing up and growing out of gaga, and as a result perhaps I shouldn't offer my views on her current projects because 2008/11Ga will always be on a pedastal for me, and maybe I'll never be satisfied with her again. Who knows. Maybe I originally sounded like I was discrediting joanne and the positive reception because I didn't enjoy it. Idk. I think I'm done here So, if many here like that kind of music, why can't you believe they would be interested in hearing Gaga do that type of music? For me, I love the sound of Gaga's voice and the passion I can hear in her delivery. Therefore, I love to hear what she does with different types of music that I enjoy. I imagine the same is true for others. And yes, if you haven't enjoyed anything Gaga has done since 2011, it might be time for you to accept that she isn't going to go back and help you relive your formative years. She has moved forward and on. She can't go back...and really, you can't either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: You're right. I apologize Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharine Hepburn 4,607 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 xoxo Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 6 hours ago, PMKKARDASHiAN said: I can accept this response a lot better than others. I'm on here literally every day and I do not recall anyone saying they wanted a stripped back album, there was the discussion of 'analog' and 'real instruments' and from what I recall people expressed interest, but no one, as I recall, was 100% for an album dedicated entirely to that direction. If people say they genuinely 'love' this album and this is 'exactly' what they wanted, then so be it. Well I always wanted an album like Joanne, as someone who is more into rock n stuff, Ive been wanting for years to see Gaga dive deeper into these styles, actually after ARTPOP that was a lil too electronic for me, I was scared when I heard that LG5 was going to be more of the same. So yeah, for me, Joanne is my fave album from Gaga so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Her more soulful album to date... delete this please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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