911 16,682 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, sipthistea said: Because we live in a world of #AlternativeFacts, where Ed Sheeran is the best selling artist of all. Adele says hello 𝕞𝕪 𝕓𝕚𝕘𝕘𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕞𝕪 𝕚𝕤 𝕞𝕖, 𝕡𝕠𝕡 𝕒 𝟡𝟙𝟙 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeehawKylie 7,817 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I don't think people reference sales in their critiques of Joanne. I think they're discussing Gaga's presence. While it's growing, her presence on radio is minimal and her videos have, aside from JW, not been what many are used to seeing from Gaga. Despite the Super Bowl, VSFS, people expect to hear Gaga on the radio and see crazy performances from her. If she doesn't deliver that she's a flop to them, and even if she does like she did for ARTPOP she's a flop. I'm sure that's why she's gotten to the point where she doesn't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 because it goes against their "OMG WE NEED REDONE" narrative to consider Joanne successful. Some people prefer that she "fails" with her current work until she recreates TFM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipthistea 21,099 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 8 hours ago, ArtFame said: Adele says hello Thats why it says #AlternativeFacts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baepsae 5,084 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 People think that because she's not selling as much as she used to she's a flop now. Even with little promotion (besides SB) she's doing quite well. She used to be all over the place before and now she wants to take time to enjoy everything because it's her dream after all and it shouldn't be a nightmare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodekid 26,672 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 15 hours ago, The Fame Joanne said: US, Italy and Brazil; 3 countries out of 190+ seems not very global to me Million Reasons is a minor hit in some other countries, it is in mine Long Live Gretchen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonis 28,624 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 People are stuck in 2011 thinking that pop music sales are the same. Also Gaga has terrible streaming and the little teenagers and early millennials rarely buy music anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 50 minutes ago, Decodekid said: Million Reasons is a minor hit in some other countries, it is in mine Still not a hit in most important countries. Let's not act like it's a global smash. It's nice that it has some success in the US, but that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodekid 26,672 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 minute ago, The Fame Joanne said: Still not a hit in most important countries. Let's not act like it's a global smash. It's nice that it has some success in the US, but that's it it's a descent not that much but still recognised song WW, is a local hit, is cute. Long Live Gretchen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Decodekid said: it's a descent not that much but still recognised song WW, is a local hit, is cute. No! The US is the only important coutry where it did good. It flopped in every other big market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodekid 26,672 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Just now, The Fame Joanne said: No! The US is the only important coutry where it did good. It flopped in every other big market thats what i said, local hit babe Long Live Gretchen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebit 6,117 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 They think she should be consistently dominating the world, so if she's not in full peak popstar mode, she is a "flop" to them. They (media, pop forum stans) don't see her as an artist, so she's not really allowed the benefit of the doubt, like say someone like Beck or Kanye who had big commercial peaks, but were allowed to not be thought of as huge decaying flops for following their muse and making albums that are comparatively less commercially successful to their peaks. Even Nicki Minaj is allowed this kind of breathing room. Sometimes I really feel like the whole vapid stan culture of pop music - which has completely infiltrated music journalism - has really done a disservice to her and other artists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Decodekid said: thats what i said, local hit babe You said it's doing decent WW, which is not true DWUW did decent globally. But not MR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodekid 26,672 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Fame Joanne said: You said it's doing decent WW, which is not true DWUW did decent globally. But not MR i can assure at least 1 person from every country has heard it, that means 196+ countries /thread Long Live Gretchen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Joanne 5,985 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Just now, Decodekid said: i can assure at least 1 person from every country has heard it, that means 196+ countries /thread Ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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