En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, New Compassion said: CNN is a for-profit organization and no matter what, ratings and $$ will always be their objective. Covering Trump and his every absurdity was a spectacle. True True True! Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,654 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Muscletank said: No it isn't. What do you consider "uneducated"? Someone that didn't go to college or is it simply people that don't share your view? No one is asking the media to tame coverage, but provide facts and data without overwhelming opinion. Opinion has now become mainstream news. The irony of you mentioning misinformation and propaganda. It wasn't nicknamed Clinton News Network for years before Donald was on the scene , for a reason. If you can't see how pushing one person with overwhelming fawning coverage and failing to constructively criticise their policies or views is a problem, then there isn't much more to be said. And for someone so against "hate", your post is dripping with resentment and hatred towards anyone who apparently isn't "educated" by your standards of the word. You're basically advocating removing the "voice" of anyone you consider dumb. That's called fascism. "Opinion has become mainstream news" Yet the people who are "angry" at the news run to Breitbart, InfoWars etc. that is the definition of opinion propaganda? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptism 2,670 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Muscletank said: No it isn't. What do you consider "uneducated"? Someone that didn't go to college or is it simply people that don't share your view? No one is asking the media to tame coverage, but provide facts and data without overwhelming opinion. Opinion has now become mainstream news. The irony of you mentioning misinformation and propaganda. It wasn't nicknamed Clinton News Network for years before Donald was on the scene , for a reason. If you can't see how pushing one person with overwhelming fawning coverage and failing to constructively criticise their policies or views is a problem, then their isn't much more to be said. And for someone so against "hate", your post is dripping with resentment and hatred towards anyone who apparently isn't "educated" by your standards of the word. Yes it is. Statistically, Donald Trump voters are the most uneducated voting base in the history of American elections. So by uneducated I am generalizing his entire voting base. Commenting on their lack of education doesn't mean I hate them, it means they're uneducated and their votes are indicative and they've truly ****ed their own country. CNN reports facts, as does many other news networks, and it is the duty of the news media to report and convey stories to their fullest extent. You'll notice that no other Republican Leadership Candidates received the amount of negative coverage that Donald did. Perhaps you also noticed a remarkable contrast between how Donald conducted himself and how other candidates, both Democratic and Republican conducted themselves. You'll also notice that the way he is now conducting himself as President is much different than his predecessors. It is VERY important that CNN and other networks report on the egregious, horrific behavior of the President so that moving forward voters can make a well informed decision. That isn't biased, that is their job, and everyone deserves to know how horrendous he is. Also re: "opinion has become news".... not so. The White House is pushing that message right now because they're receiving an overwhelmingly negative response from news and the majority of American's right now and they want to cast their poor performance as "opinion" rather than fact. They're a mess. That's a fact. And they're being babies about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscletank 410 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said: "Opinion has become mainstream news" Yet the people who are "angry" at the news run to Breitbart, InfoWars etc. that is the definition of opinion propaganda? Oh indeed. It is extremely hard to find a news outlet these days that will simply report on that: news. I literally cannot think of a single outlet that now reports the news without some sort of biased slant. You used to be able to trust the BBC as a beacon for truth as it's whole reason for being was impartiality but not so now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscletank 410 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, baptism said: Yes it is. Statistically, Donald Trump voters are the most uneducated voting base in the history of American elections. So by uneducated I am generalizing his entire voting base. Commenting on their lack of education doesn't mean I hate them, it means they're uneducated and their votes are indicative and they've truly ****ed their own country. CNN reports facts, as does many other news networks, and it is the duty of the news media to report and convey stories to their fullest extent. You'll notice that no other Republican Leadership Candidates received the amount of negative coverage that Donald did. Perhaps you also noticed a remarkable contrast between how Donald conducted himself and how other candidates, both Democratic and Republican conducted themselves. You'll also notice that the way he is now conducting himself as President is much different than his predecessors. It is VERY important that CNN and other networks report on the egregious, horrific behavior of the President so that moving forward voters can make a well informed decision. That isn't biased, that is their job, and everyone deserves to know how horrendous he is. So you freely admit you're generalising despite the fact that statistics also show that 54% of male college graduates voted for Trump. Sure a lot of non college educated people voted for him, but if it was only that base, he wouldn't have won! Simply put, you are flat out wrong and you still haven't defined what "uneducated" is. It appears your definition of that word is "people who voted for a candidate that I hate". https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls I'm not even referring specifically to coverage of trump. I'm also referring to the democratic party primaries. The point is this. Slanted news causes resentment and makes people retaliate. If CNN , FOX and all the others actually only DID report the facts, Trump would not be president. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptism 2,670 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just now, Muscletank said: So you freely admit you're generalising despite the fact that statistics also show that 54% of male college graduates voted for Trump. Simply put, you are flat out wrong and you still haven't defined what "uneducated" is. it appears your definition of that word is "people who voted for a candidate that I hate". https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls I'm not even referring specifically to coverage of trump. I'm also referring to the democratic party primaries. The point is this. Slanted news causes resentment and makes people retaliate. If CNN , FOX and all the others actually only DID report the facts, Trump would not be president. WHITE***** males. And that doesn't change the fact that his voting base truly is the least educated voting base among all 43 Presidents. Uneducated, as per polling, is anybody who has not pursued post-secondary education. Also, CNN and Fox BOTH report facts. Their commentators are often biased one way or another, and some feel as though CNN runs too much negativity about the White House, but that does not make their stores untrue. The White House and anybody who they've been able to brainwash are labeling things "fake news" that simply are not fake and that is dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Fake news, alternative facts... I'm starting to think the only thing the Trump administration is good at is coming up with iconic phrases Also I loved when the anchor has a Kanye moment and says "I'm gonna let you finish" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Muscletank said: You used to be able to trust the BBC as a beacon for truth as it's whole reason for being was impartiality but not so now. Seriously!??? Not the BBC now... Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscletank 410 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: Seriously!??? Not the BBC now... Ever since the Blair years it's been downhill. I have a friend who works for BBC News 24.....the stories he has are...fascinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscletank 410 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, baptism said: WHITE***** males. And that doesn't change the fact that his voting base truly is the least educated voting base among all 43 Presidents. Uneducated, as per polling, is anybody who has not pursued post-secondary education. Also, CNN and Fox BOTH report facts. Their commentators are often biased one way or another, and some feel as though CNN runs too much negativity about the White House, but that does not make their stores untrue. The White House and anybody who they've been able to brainwash are labeling things "fake news" that simply are not fake and that is dangerous. Trump is actually the 45th president.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptism 2,670 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Muscletank said: Trump is actually the 45th president.... Fake news.... (typo). But you didn't respond to anything else that I said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscletank 410 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, baptism said: Fake news.... (typo). But you didn't respond to anything else that I said? Well I actually agreed with the second half of your post. But it is also very dangerous to dismiss people who didn't pursue college as "uneducated". Just because someone went to college does not mean they have common sense or is actually educated in something useful! For every degree in law, medicine, science, engineering and accountancy, there are degrees in media studies and other non academic subjects that people then struggle to obtain work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oivind 287 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It scares me that some Trump supporters are so brainwashed they immediately dismiss anything which does not come from Trump (or maybe Breitbart). It's impossible to reason with such people. But keep calm, and be the voice of reason. All we can hope for is that more people are convinced by that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 3,808 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The very fact that Trump's camp uses "fake news" to describe any piece of journalism they disagree with or that paints them in a negative light is endemic to the whole problem of Trump and his ilk: "if I receive information that conflicts with my worldview, it must be fake, because I know I'm right and I've never done anything wrong" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, SpadesToStart said: The very fact that Trump's camp uses "fake news" to describe any piece of journalism they disagree with or that paints them in a negative light is endemic to the whole problem of Trump and his ilk: "if I receive information that conflicts with my worldview, it must be fake, because I know I'm right and I've never done anything wrong" Seeds of fascism & authoritarianism ^^ Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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