Cuomo, Sanders propose free tuition at New York state colleges

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http://pix11.com/2017/01/03/cuomo-sanders-to-propose-free-tuition-at-new-york-state-colleges-report/

 

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Let me just transfer to Baruch real quick 

However, tbh, how about working to lower tuition across both public and private universities rather than making it free only for state schools, which could leave private universities to raise tuition prices and make it more exclusive and costly than it actually is

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3 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Let me just transfer to Baruch real quick 

However, tbh, how about working to lower tuition across both public and private universities rather than making it free only for state schools, which could leave private universities to raise tuition prices and make it more exclusive and costly than it actually is

I don't think private schools could charge more if public colleges were tuition free. Competing with free schools, I would think, would force prices down.

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This proposal wouldn't include segregated fees right? I mean, college can't be 100% free.

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14 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

I don't think private schools could charge more if public colleges were tuition free. Competing with free schools, I would think, would force prices down.

I mean, the demand for public schools will surely go up, but then who's going to cover the expansion of these colleges if they're going to be free? Taxpayer momey can only do so much, and, in reality, there would be an excess demand of students if those public schools aren't receiving the proper funding

The only ways private schools in New York will lower there prices considerably is if the demand for private universities and colleges in the US were to go down altogether. If the public schools were to all become free, that would greatly reduce the price of private schools and would thus cause a shift to a lower tuition price. However, if all schools in New York were to get a decent subsidy, then all schools in New York would have lower prices for students and more money for both private and public colleges

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4 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

I mean, the demand for public schools will surely go up, but then who's going to cover the expansion of these colleges if they're going to be free? Taxpayer momey can only do so much, and, in reality, there would be an excess demand of students if those public schools aren't receiving the proper funding

The only ways private schools in New York will lower there prices considerably is if the demand for private universities and colleges in the US were to go down altogether. If the public schools were to all become free, that would greatly reduce the price of private schools and would thus cause a shift to a lower tuition price. However, if all schools in New York were to get a decent subsidy, then all schools in New York would have lower prices for students and more money for both private and public colleges

Because a free education doesn't leave anyone out. There are people in this country that can't get afford any college because they don't make enough money or their parents don't make enough money. Now with the option of free college, that means anyone can go to college. 

Also as you pointed out, if public colleges became free, that would cause a shirt to a lower tuition price. Making private schools get cheaper and free schools available to anyone. 

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9 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

This proposal wouldn't include segregated fees right? I mean, college can't be 100% free.

I'm not sure at the moment, I think we will get the specifics on stuff like that fairly soon but according to Cuomo and Sanders, they want them to free for anyone who's family makes less then 125k per year.

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2 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Because a free education doesn't leave anyone out. There are people in this country that can't get afford any college because they don't make enough money or their parents don't make enough money. Now with the option of free college, that means anyone can go to college. 

Also as you pointed out, if public colleges became free, that would cause a shirt to a lower tuition price. Making private schools get cheaper and free schools available to anyone. 

I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't be guaranteed a right to an education, but private schools are in their own market and schools like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are only going to lower their prices if public college prices fall across the country. Even if you make only New York public college prices lower or free, Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are still going to have a ton of people apply and accept, so much so that it wouldn't really make a dent because internationals and domestic students are still going to apply for the prestige, opportunities, and better facilities

Public schools are awesome in that they allow virtually anyone to attend, but the issue with free public schools in higher education is that these schools are still going to need money that taxes or subsidies cannot fulfill alone, so long as the economy is the way it is currently. If all, not just New York, public colleges in the US were to agree to offer free tuition, then that will force all US private schools to greatly lower their prices or heavily risk losing students. In other words, public schools aren't necessarily in competition with private schools until all public schools do something that will affect all private schools, which will probably only result in an economy where there are lower prices to begin with

Then you have the question of how is this going to affect grad schools? Now that anyone could potentially have the opportunity of receiving an undergraduate degree, that will only saturate the market for graduate degrees and programs, thus increasing competition amongst both students and universities

As much as you and I both want New York, the US, and the world to offer free higher eductation, the truth of the matter is that there is a lot that goes into thinking out how to go about this issue, especially when the US likes to treat universities as lowkey businesses that will find ways to make a profit wherever possible

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10 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't be guaranteed a right to an education, but private schools are in their own market and schools like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are only going to lower their prices if public college prices fall across the country. Even if you make only New York public college prices lower or free, Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are still going to have a ton of people apply and accept, so much so that it wouldn't really make a dent because internationals and domestic students are still going to apply for the prestige, opportunities, and better facilities

Public schools are awesome in that they allow virtually anyone to attend, but the issue with free public schools in higher education is that these schools are still going to need money that taxes or subsidies cannot fulfill alone, so long as the economy is the way it is currently. If all, not just New York, public colleges in the US were to agree to offer free tuition, then that will force all US private schools to greatly lower their prices or heavily risk losing students. In other words, public schools aren't necessarily in competition with private schools until all public schools do something that will affect all private schools, which will probably only result in an economy where there are lower prices to begin with

Then you have the question of how is this going to affect grad schools? Now that anyone could potentially have the opportunity of receiving an undergraduate degree, that will only saturate the market for graduate degrees and programs, thus increasing competition amongst both students and universities

As much as you and I both want New York, the US, and the world to offer free higher eductation, the truth of the matter is that there is a lot that goes into thinking out how to go about this issue, especially when the US likes to treat universities as lowkey businesses that will find ways to make a profit wherever possible

I never thought of Grad schools. It's already insanely impossible to get into certain programs. I can't imagine what it would be like once more people apply. 

I wish people would start looking into tech schools though. It's a lot more affordable and gets to the point of certain occupations. Free tuition sounds nice, but there's no easy answer. 

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19 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't be guaranteed a right to an education, but private schools are in their own market and schools like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are only going to lower their prices if public college prices fall across the country. Even if you make only New York public college prices lower or free, Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are still going to have a ton of people apply and accept, so much so that it wouldn't really make a dent because internationals and domestic students are still going to apply for the prestige, opportunities, and better facilities

Public schools are awesome in that they allow virtually anyone to attend, but the issue with free public schools in higher education is that these schools are still going to need money that taxes or subsidies cannot fulfill alone, so long as the economy is the way it is currently. If all, not just New York, public colleges in the US were to agree to offer free tuition, then that will force all US private schools to greatly lower their prices or heavily risk losing students. In other words, public schools aren't necessarily in competition with private schools until all public schools do something that will affect all private schools, which will probably only result in an economy where there are lower prices to begin with

Then you have the question of how is this going to affect grad schools? Now that anyone could potentially have the opportunity of receiving an undergraduate degree, that will only saturate the market for graduate degrees and programs, thus increasing competition amongst both students and universities

As much as you and I both want New York, the US, and the world to offer free higher eductation, the truth of the matter is that there is a lot that goes into thinking out how to go about this issue, especially when the US likes to treat universities as lowkey businesses that will find ways to make a profit wherever possible

I must ask, if private school prices didn't go down and just stayed the same, wouldn't it still be better to have a free option and the expensive option then what we have now? Why do we need public to compete with private? That's not how it works in K-12 schooling. That's free and the private schools still do well. Wouldn't it just be a similiar situation with College?

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23 minutes ago, CrazyMonster said:

Why wasn't he elected as the president? I ****ing love him 

If democrats get this **** done over the next 2-4 years, he could be. 

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This is... a step in the right direction  

44 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't be guaranteed a right to an education, but private schools are in their own market and schools like Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are only going to lower their prices if public college prices fall across the country. Even if you make only New York public college prices lower or free, Columbia, NYU, and Cornell are still going to have a ton of people apply and accept, so much so that it wouldn't really make a dent because internationals and domestic students are still going to apply for the prestige, opportunities, and better facilities

Public schools are awesome in that they allow virtually anyone to attend, but the issue with free public schools in higher education is that these schools are still going to need money that taxes or subsidies cannot fulfill alone, so long as the economy is the way it is currently. If all, not just New York, public colleges in the US were to agree to offer free tuition, then that will force all US private schools to greatly lower their prices or heavily risk losing students. In other words, public schools aren't necessarily in competition with private schools until all public schools do something that will affect all private schools, which will probably only result in an economy where there are lower prices to begin with

Then you have the question of how is this going to affect grad schools? Now that anyone could potentially have the opportunity of receiving an undergraduate degree, that will only saturate the market for graduate degrees and programs, thus increasing competition amongst both students and universities

As much as you and I both want New York, the US, and the world to offer free higher eductation, the truth of the matter is that there is a lot that goes into thinking out how to go about this issue, especially when the US likes to treat universities as lowkey businesses that will find ways to make a profit wherever possible

This is my concern too  Thanks for voicing it in a calm, collected, rational way  

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1 hour ago, Born To Slay said:

I must ask, if private school prices didn't go down and just stayed the same, wouldn't it still be better to have a free option and the expensive option then what we have now? Why do we need public to compete with private? That's not how it works in K-12 schooling. That's free and the private schools still do well. Wouldn't it just be a similiar situation with College?

I don't think it would be the same situation, at least not if federal legislation is passed to make public schools of higher education free as was done for primary and secondary education. That's one of the main issues here, is that if things are done at the state level, than it would be a lot more difficult for private schools across the country to lower their prices

A radical change is what is needed to create a situation in which higher education acts like lower education on a financial basis, but given the acting upon of self-interests by many educators, both in public and private universities nationwide, it, to me, seems difficult to attain the ultimate goal that is being sought. On top of that, if we take this to the federal level, there's gonna be hecka lobbying and politicians acting out of their own interests as well. It's so difficult when this is such a simple issue to resolve if it were not for the bureaucracy 

Also, to answer the first part of your question, it depends. If you have grad school in mind and want to stand out, you're going to want to go to a reputable school, most of which are private in the US. It's crazy how you're sometimes judged in the job market and by grad schools by what school you attended, but that's the reality. Of course, you can pull some slick maneuvers to make you stand out if you went to a relatively unknown college, but there are going to be millions like you pulling the same thing. Private schools will just become more exclusive and their reputations will increase, at least in America, in a sea of public school students whose chances of standing out are not that great when compared to those who went to a distinguished private school, most of the time

The ultimate goal is for our school systems to mirror those of the most of the world, where public education is not seen or treated so remedially and instead a viable equal to private schools. But the US is the land of competition and risk, so it's very difficult to say when the US will stop treating education as a competitive game

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This is not directly related to the topic but thinking of free education, if you learn French, you can study in France, it's free for everyone even foreigners. Not sure how long it will last so hurry up now!

More seriously, I have mixed feelings about education in North America, it's probably one of the best when it comes to equality, but other countries like Denmark, Sweden and even Iran offer great education and not the cost of the US. I really despise the way education is treated as a business that only the rich can afford, unless you want to be in debt for the rest of your life. but at the same time, look at some country like Spain and France, the quality is not improving at all especially with austerity and budget cuts. But at least you can still have access to education, it's different (esp in France) and I think the research seems less funded and a bit behind in comparison to other countries, but then there is no reason for you not to go to university and that's pretty cool I think. Now i still dream of Denmark, knowing my roommate, that lazy ass was receiving 1000CAD$ a month to study and paying no fees, her uni was also really nice! I am jealous