Joanne is calculated. Lady Gaga is selling out.

[Mary Jane Wayne 1,997]

I understand how you feel but you sound a bit over dramatic. Anyways, people who pretend to fully disagree with what you said above are clearly delusional or fooling themselves. But honestly I've come to a point where I accept everything just the way it is. I'll love and support Stefani no matter what. We need to stop having meltdowns over the same sht every single day and enjoy the era the way it is. 

I feel like Gaga has always given too much attention to us and to what we want, some of us may feel irritated at the moment as it feels like Gaga serves and gives the GP more attention than us which is understandable. At the end of the day, no matter how strong the bond between us and her is, it's her life her career her choices. We don't have some supernatural power to stop her from explaining us how she's her mothers daughter, sisters sister, grandmothers granddaughter every single time she opens her mouth, or to make her stop wearing that hat and most importantly to stop her from going to Epione 

[Deki 99]

If she really was a sell out she would have recorded a song with taylor/drake/rihanna and got a #1 single. Also she would be everywhere on tv if she was a sellout

[Sister 9,907]

21 hours ago, malazam said:

Do we really need to start 2017 with this kind of thread?

^ Seriously! Can't we leave this discussion with the past year. If you aren't feeling this album, come back when she's moved on with her next project.

[CakeLikeLG 6,275]

If she is selling out then why doesn't she collab with Pitbull, Drake, Calvin Harris or Nicki Minaj to get a quick lil hit single? Ariana did it, Kesha did it, Rihanna does it all the time

 

[Guest]

It's an opinion

[ezrajones 587]

"She's selling out by making music that's not commercially viable!! Obvious cash grab!"

[beverlyhills 287]

59 minutes ago, CakeLikeLG said:

If she is selling out then why doesn't she collab with Pitbull, Drake, Calvin Harris or Nicki Minaj to get a quick lil hit single? Ariana did it, Kesha did it, Rihanna does it all the time

 

 

16 minutes ago, ezrajones said:

"She's selling out by making music that's not commercially viable!! Obvious cash grab!"

I meant selling out in terms of the image she created. She's toning down her true crazy self to appeal to the masses, miss things. 

[SKANK 14,288]

7 minutes ago, ezrajones said:

"She's selling out by making music that's not commercially viable!! Obvious cash grab!"

 

How is it not commercially viable?

Her lead single was co-produced by by Bloodpop. The entire record was produced by Mark Ronson  directly after he released the most commercially successful record/song of his career. Her current single is co-written and produced by a country hit maker. The entire style of the record (Americana/Pop) is the same genre which has allowed artists like Adele to dominate the charts. She abandoned outrageous fashion, ostentatious videos, and striking album/single art in favor of visuals that are more palatable to the masses. The music is commercial, her image is commercial.

 

 

[GagaTheExplorer 3,053]

23 hours ago, beverlyhills said:

Before this gets way out of hand, I would like to say that I still love her very much but this is just how I feel.

This whole "Joanne, the real me, father's daughter, etc" is all a bunch of BS. Suddenly now she doesn't care about fame and success because she wants to show her "real" self yet changes second single from A-YO to MR because it was doing better on the charts. Joanne is a raw (and good album) but can you say it's really authentic and that she doesn't care about the Gaga persona anymore? To me ARTPOP feels more authentic because she just really let loose and did what she wanted without giving a damn, embracing again that it's alright to be different without feeling the need to prove that this is the "real" Gaga. Also why is she acting so weird about her previous fashion statements? She always said that she IS Gaga and that she has always been dressing weird, it's not a persona. But now she's this Christian girl that releases below average (trash) videos. I'm just gonna say it, I miss the old Gaga, the Gaga before Joanne. I hope she'll return to being HERSELF again because all of this is not her. Compare all her eras to Joanne and it feels like a totally different person, very calculated. To me it seems like if you have to prove that you are yourself, it's highly unlikely that it really isn't that way. Please Gaga bring back the art, visuals, imagery, fashion. I can't with you. 

Joanne is the result of the underperformance of ARTPOP

/thread

[HausOfNicole 177]

Lady Gaga sold out the moment she signed and became an artist on Interscope Records. Every one of her albums is a mix of authentic thought and commercialism. Your argument is valid, but applies to her entire career. 

[SKANK 14,288]

3 minutes ago, GagaTheExplorer said:

Joanne is the result of the underperformance of ARTPOP

/thread

 

I don't know if Joanne is a result of ARTPOP under performing in terms of sales, but I do think people underestimate how burned she was by the public's dismissal of that album. I think Joanne, and the way she is marketing it, is directly a result of how wounded she was by the cold reception ARTPOP received from critics/public.

[Charles X Charles 1,540]

When I saw the title I thought it's gonna bring some optimism for my day. It's pretty click bait! 😭😭😭

[ImAnEnigma26 154]

I don't think she's trying to prove anything. Gaga changes and matures, just like you and me. You're not the same person you were 8 or even 3 years ago. Also, she has said many times in interviews that with every era, she is revealing another side of herself. Obviously, this side of herself is more personal and raw and less concerned about the visuals. As far as the whole "Gaga" persona goes, what we think "Gaga" is could be(and probably is) completely different from what she knows Gaga is.

So, saying she's not being herself and that she must go back to the way she was before, "the old Gaga" is just irrational and it puts her in a box. 

[Regina George 59,387]

22 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

How is it not commercially viable?

Her lead single was co-produced by by Bloodpop. The entire record was produced by Mark Ronson  directly after he released the most commercially successful record/song of his career. Her current single is co-written and produced by a country hit maker. The entire style of the record (Americana/Pop) is the same genre which has allowed artists like Adele to dominate the charts. She abandoned outrageous fashion, ostentatious videos, and striking album/single art in favor of visuals that are more palatable to the masses. The music is commercial, her image is commercial.

 

 

[Miel 15,009]

19 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

I don't know if Joanne is a result of ARTPOP under performing in terms of sales, but I do think people underestimate how burned she was by the public's dismissal of that album. I think Joanne, and the way she is marketing it, is directly a result of how wounded she was by the cold reception ARTPOP received from critics/public.

I agree.

I love the album, and I do think the writing in it is very telling and honest, but it's kind of indicative of this whole "rebuilding of her image" kind of phase that has been happening ever since the middle of 2014, with the end of artRave/beginning of Cheek to Cheek.

It doesn't necessarily mean she's being dishonest- rather, that she's probably just shifted and realigned her artistry with how she wants it to be received by the public, considering how that was severely mis-shot with ARTPOP.