Katie14 4,828 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It seems to me that there is always this battle between creative people and business people. There is this perception that creative people want free reign to express their ideas and dislike structure or control. The business people try to channel creativity and manage it in such a way to make the output appeal to an audience. There is this relentless push and pull for power over the creative output. Creativity is about freedom and business is about control. But these two disciplines have to work together to create work that is useful or needed in society. What is the point of creating art that isn't relevant and never gets seen or heard? I do understand how creativity can be stifled by business. Gaga talks about how she doesn't like to be reactionary with her work, meaning she doesn't want her work to cater to what the public wants, because all that muddles her own perspective. I respect that and I agree with her not wanting to be put in any type of box. I just see the other side as well. Without all the positioning, manipulation, research into her audience, suggestion, ect behind her, nobody would know who she is. She wouldn't have a voice in the world. It doesn't make sense to me to be so stuck in your own perspective that you lose touch with where your work fits in with the world or the void that your work fills (i don't even think she does that though). And im not really talking about marketing. Im talking about the influence the business side has in the creation of creative content. I could be misunderstanding her. If she does feel this way, its probably because she has been "burnt" by the business end by being overly controlled, overworked, ect. I'm sure Gaga does appreciate the business side in some sense. But, based on some of the things she has said in the past, it just seems to me that she feels like the business aspect of the music industry is ruining artistry, and she is dismissive of the importance of strategy. I guess the real debate is about artistic integrity and the purpose of art. Is it more important to create the vision in your head without any regard to reception, or try to expand the reach of your art? Where is the balance between the two ends of the spectrum? Im struggling with this in my own life and im not really sure if I conveyed my point. But, I think this is an interesting conversation to have. Spoiler I think a lot of creative people feel this way. I took a creative advertising class over the summer and my teacher said that being on a creative team in an ad agency is the complete opposite to being on an account (business) team. I think what he said is ridiculous and ironic considering advertising is all about promoting products Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,078 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I don't really know what to say.. I'm sure she appreciates her pay check. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mona Vanderwaal 43 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, oliphanty said: I think her biggest problem is she's pretty talentless at everything but singing, writing and performing but doesn't have the self awareness to see it. I agree. She needs to stick to her talent - music. Everything else is better if she has a team of talented people to help her, and that's OKAY. She is a musician, not a creative director. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaPolice 4,731 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, oliphanty said: I think her biggest problem is she's pretty talentless at everything but singing, writing and performing but doesn't have the self awareness to see it. Bought you a ticket. BYE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel 12,525 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It doesn't seem like they have that much control over her as of lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,681 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Art is subjective. Creativity is subjective. All of the things that make up art are subjective and overall revolve around the creativity of the artist. The business aspect ruins that to some extent. I completely understand and agree with what Gaga has said in the past about how business can stifle a musician's creativity. Let's also remember, art is made so that the artist can enjoy their art. They love art because they love to make art. And, when I say "artist", I'm talking about the musician, the poet, the painter, the sculptor, etc. etc. Art isn't and shouldn't be made to please somebody, in my opinion. Then again, like I said, art is subjective, and it's completely reliant on the artist, so if the artist believes they need to create art to please and garner more people, then that's on them; I just don't agree with that sentiment. The reason why Gaga became as big as she was was because of her art and creativity. Yes, there were people who were similar to her in the past; however, she herself has revolutionized the music industry and popular culture. 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 76,681 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, oliphanty said: I think her biggest problem is she's pretty talentless at everything but singing, writing and performing but doesn't have the self awareness to see it. So her activism and her want to fight for what's right just isn't a big deal, right? 𝔊𝔬𝔬𝔡𝔟𝔶𝔢, ℑ'𝔩𝔩 𝔰𝔢𝔢 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔦𝔫 𝔪𝔶 𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔪𝔰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieGagz 4,300 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think that making art just because you want it's recognition is not really making art. ♡Gaga♡TØP♡Nightwish♡Lana♡Lorde♡Grimes♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTNebraskaGuy 19,547 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, oliphanty said: I think her biggest problem is she's pretty talentless at everything but singing, writing and performing but doesn't have the self awareness to see it. And what are you talented at? Acting like you know who's talented at what? One, five, ten lay a million on me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryl 148 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yes, she's definitely unappreciative and needs to start appreciating the business aspect of her work because her being in the driving seat of her music car isn't working out too well for her. She has special snowflake syndrome where she thinks her creativity in music is unique and special and she needs to be fully in control of it when what she should be doing is listening to business people more often. People get famous and become rich and think their talent is superior and can do no wrong, and in reality all they are is good singers, and some good song writers but not good business people. They need to sit down and spin - gaga included Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 i'm not entirely sure what this is about but look at his gif https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAnotherDay 8,402 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I think she just doesn't care, she very much just seems to create work that she enjoys and leaves it to her team to promote it. was NickARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Surrealist 27,470 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, ryanripley said: i'm not entirely sure what this is about but look at his gif Eyeopening experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie14 4,828 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, NickARTPOP said: I think she just doesn't care, she very much just seems to create work that she enjoys and leaves it to her team to promote it. Im not talking about promotion though. Im talking about the influence the business side has in the creation of her art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Just now, NickARTPOP said: I think she just doesn't care, she very much just seems to create work that she enjoys and leaves it to her team to promote it. So it was her team performing MR at the AMAs, SMAPxSMAP, Royal Variety Show, Happy Hour, SNL, Carpool Karaoke and X Factor (not sure if I remembered them all)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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