Fame Changed Her

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6 minutes ago, Curunir said:

you need to look beneath the surface a little. this is not about my "subjective validation"

Subjective validation just means your opinion in this case,  and you stating that you were not agreeing with "anything" I wrote is a rather shallow comment in itself, nothing beneath the surface lol

The fact that you can't see she's more negative nowadays than before makes me think you're blind...

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Just now, SMILE2NE1 said:

Subjective validation just means your opinion in this case,  and you not agreeing with anything I wrote is a rather shallow comment, nothing beneath the surface lol

The fact that you can't see she's more negative nowadays than before makes me thing you're blind...

i think you misunderstood me. when i said look beneath the surface i was talking about gaga. and i didn't say anywhere that she isn't more negative nowadays

i guess what i'm trying to tell you is that i have a different point of view on the same situation

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Just now, Curunir said:

i think you misunderstood me. when i said look beneath the surface i was talking about gaga. and i didn't say anywhere that she isn't more negative nowadays

i guess what i'm trying to tell you is that i have a different point of view on the same situation

Well you really did say it, albeit indirectly, by saying you don't agree with "anything" I wrote... my comment about her being more negative nowadays being within that "anything". 

I definitely recognize that you have a different POV, but you didn't really express it ...

I can easily look way under the surface for Gaga, she has a superiority complex as an artist, which you can see from her very first interview. When she was winning at the game, she was happy, but after MTN, it's as if she feels the need to victimise herself and tear others down (with other artists are like factories comments) as almost an excuse for her artistry not being what it was. That's my psychoanalysis of her, but I wish she would go on the path of trying to rectify her art proactively as opposed to always being so negatively reactive to the hand fame has dealt her. 

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22 minutes ago, MonsterMum said:

Listen, she was new to the game, she had plenty to prove, that fire to make it. As a young artist you want to be known you just don't know what it takes and what it costs you to get there and I'm not talking about money. 

The parts that she didn't like she just covered up with substance abuse or other forms coping mechanisms. 

So yes she aged, matured and foremost she got the experience now, for years. I'm surprided people are surprised that under that constant pressure and demand people crack. She is not the first one and she won't be the last one either we're just being more vocal these days generally speaking about mental issues and that it's just something that is taking place in society rather then just popping pills and march on. 

Just let the girl breathe. 

It's just I remember in early interviews, she would talk about the decay of other stars, and how they lt fame get to them and change them - and she would profusely hark on about how she was the master of fame and so I believed her. I really am surprised fame broke her because I thought she was stronger than that. 

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25 minutes ago, DeathEater said:

She is always talking about feeling bad.  Honestly it's ever since Marry the Night flopped.  Not trying to be mean but she was never this sad when she was putting out hit after hit.  

I agree with you - I mentioned this in another comment, but it's like she has a superiority complex as an artist. When she was putting out hit after hit, she felt superior, but now that she's down, it's like she's always reasoning why she isn't number one anymore - her team, her record label, the media and she is tearing other artists down for being manufactured and stating her her artistic process is superior, as a means to push her own superiority when the radio, critics and charts aren't how she wants. This is probably why she feels so bad all the time - she isn't on top but won't like to admit how much that affects her. 

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4 minutes ago, SMILE2NE1 said:

Well you really did say it, albeit indirectly, by saying you don't agree with "anything" I wrote... my comment about her being more negative nowadays being within that "anything". 

I definitely recognize that you have a different POV, but you didn't really express it ...

I can easily look way under the surface for Gaga, she has a superiority complex as an artist, which you can see from her very first interview. When she was winning at the game, she was happy, but after MTN, it's as if she feels the need to victimise herself and tear others down (with other artists are like factories comments) as almost an excuse for her artistry not being what it was. That's my psychoanalysis of her, but I wish she would go on the path of trying to rectify her art proactively as opposed to always being so negatively reactive to the hand fame has dealt her. 

what you choose to see as "more negative" i see as more real. my opinion doesn't have to be completely opposite from yours in order to disagree

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Fame would change anyone tbh. Don't you think that after having tons of fans screaming your name, never being able to go out in public without being recognized, sometimes being attacked, having fans grab at you. Would you be the same person?

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She was young and inexperienced. It's naive to think fame won't change you because you haven't lived through it yet, but in the end the industry really gets under your skin, not as much as how you perceive yourself but in terms of what it costs you and what people want from you. She said so herself: she misses people, genuine people that don't want her for anything but what she really is. And she kind of made it difficult for people to figure her out, changing so much in such a short time. Putting aside the fame, let's not forget that life itself breaks you, fame or not fame. What happened with Taylor must have really f*cked her up on a personal and emotional level and that's reflecting on her career. 

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9 minutes ago, Curunir said:

what you choose to see as "more negative" i see as more real. my opinion doesn't have to be completely opposite from yours in order to disagree

I do agree with you that she is more real nowadays. You have recognised the change toward this greater "realness", but what was the factor that changed that helped you realise this?

I think the factor is that her energy went from positive to more negative, so her realnesss comes hand in hand with her melancholy. She looks so sad in the MR video, she even mentioned in the Joanne performance that "this was so anyone that felt sad these holidays".

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Just now, SMILE2NE1 said:

I do agree with you that she is more real nowadays. You have recognised the change toward this "realness", but what was the factor that changed for you to recognise this? I think the factor is that her energy went from positive to more negative, so her realnesss comes hand in hand with her melancholy. 

just listening to her more recent interviews actually. when i think about everything that she's said it completely makes sense. i can see why that "switch" in her energy could seem like going from positive to negative, but to me she's more aware and conscious than ever before. showing your vulnerabilities is a strength in my eyes, that's why i see it as being real

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She knows better now. She was new at being famous back then. 

In the first interview, she didn't have years and years and years of experience with people complaining about everything she does and ripping her to shreds.  She had no idea what kind of toll fame would take, she was just excited about it. 

Now she's been there and seen the ugly side of fame. Her last three eras have been full of people complaining about her and trying to hold her to her initial level of success. 

I definiely think she sounds more like a human being now (now as in the Joanne era interviews, I'm not talking about ARTPOP era interviews). 

To me, she seemed a lot more like a character/superhero back in her early days . Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but I definitely connect more with her and her music now. So I guess I'm enjoying the change! 

 

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fame changes everyone 

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I was dragged for this before but I believe her complaining is wrong ok so many levels. She should be glad she doesn't have to deal with chronic pain on the street or in poverty. 

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She's not f.ucking playing the victim. SHE IS A VICTIM. You're being a selfish brat by saying that she needs to act happy so that you can like her. Do you people listen to yourselves? You're whining about how she should 'just be happy' so that you have something to enjoy watching. She's a person with real feelings who has been put through the wringer and came out a tortured soul. By saying that someone who is unhappy should 'just be happy' you're becoming part of the problem. Part of the reason she is unhappy at all.

And she did act happy. For years. She pretended for so long that she was happy and confident, because she was afraid of disappointing you people. She put on her wigs and clothes when she didn't want to because she was afraid people would find out that the fame she had so desperately sought when she was younger, had actually destroyed her inside. And you know what that did? Led her to drug and alcohol dependence. It gave her suicidal thoughts. And when she finally felt strong enough to keep living, she was so disenchanted with the industry, and everything that came along with it, that she almost quit making music. 

but "just be happy Gaga. Let it bounce off you. I only liked you back then because you were happy and confident. Ugh, just be like that again. I miss the old you. She was better. Now all you do is complain"

People just don't have a sense of empathy. No wonder she runs the BTW foundation. She realised from meeting all of you how screwed and detached our generation is. Maybe she thought if she could teach you all compassion, that you'd be more understanding and treat her nicely. Except it backfired and y'all treat her worse than ever now.

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48 minutes ago, Helxig said:

She's not f.ucking playing the victim. SHE IS A VICTIM. You're being a selfish brat by saying that she needs to act happy so that you can like her. Do you people listen to yourselves? You're whining about how she should 'just be happy' so that you have something to enjoy watching. She's a person with real feelings who has been put through the wringer and came out a tortured soul. By saying that someone who is unhappy should 'just be happy' you're becoming part of the problem. Part of the reason she is unhappy at all.

And she did act happy. For years. She pretended for so long that she was happy and confident, because she was afraid of disappointing you people. She put on her wigs and clothes when she didn't want to because she was afraid people would find out that the fame she had so desperately sought when she was younger, had actually destroyed her inside. And you know what that did? Led her to drug and alcohol dependence. It gave her suicidal thoughts. And when she finally felt strong enough to keep living, she was so disenchanted with the industry, and everything that came along with it, that she almost quit making music. 

but "just be happy Gaga. Let it bounce off you. I only liked you back then because you were happy and confident. Ugh, just be like that again. I miss the old you. She was better. Now all you do is complain"

People just don't have a sense of empathy. No wonder she runs the BTW foundation. She realised from meeting all of you how screwed and detached our generation is. Maybe she thought if she could teach you all compassion, that you'd be more understanding and treat her nicely. Except it backfired and y'all treat her worse than ever now.

no. nobody said that she should act happy ALL the time. but she should stop MILKING the sad moments in her life. every single thing that has happened to her she starts MILKING it. the rape case, her ptsd, joanne's death, i mean all of these were being milked to the last drop... hell, she even made an album about it. the same things happen to a lot of artists out there like Madonna, Beyonce etc. but u can't see them talking about being raped & having a hard time 24/7. i love gaga but it's like everytime she talks about things it's always negative and sad and it feels like the sincerity of these moments are being lost because she talks about it so much in public. i sometimes even get the vibe of that kid that pretends to be bullied most of the time just to get sympathy from others. it just all seems fake and not sincere.