Beyonce' exposedT again

[sillynate 6,170]

I mean, Gags has sampled too. Is she gonna be exposedT too? 

Just look at ARTPOP! Some of the instrumentals were purchased from other people  at least with Lemonade those samples were worked from the ground up and weren't the exact same instrumental as the original song (see Mary Jane Holland and Donatella) 

[alejandreaux 1,053]

Whether she used a lot of samples or not, Bey and her team still crafted a better pop album than ANYONE else this year, so stop being pressed and just deal with it. a big part of modern art has to do with embracing pop cultural moments from the past and stitiching them together to create something completely new. Kanye West does the same thing with a lot of his albums. Why do you think Gaga says "she's every icon" and always incorporates elements of David Bowie, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Elton John, etc into her work? she's taking bits and pieces of what has been done in the past and building off it to make something that's fresh and exciting while still honoring those icons. Don't drag for Beyonce incorporating other people's imagery and sounds into her music, but then defend Gaga for doing the same thing all the time 

[John Slayne 4,154]

Pathetic. I'm ok with sampling but at least don't act like Beyoncé is some sort of trailblazer for sampling other people's work. And it's not like she picked and mixed all of those samples herself.

[Zaza 873]

Thats why I like artists that write for themselves. Its more personal. Plus they get more money and its more real to me. Not manufactured by a team of writers then handed to a singer to put out a album every year. Gaga puts her heart and soul into her work.  Im sure Bey tells them stuff , we dont know the whole story. 

[Bette Davis 12,742]

12 hours ago, Supersonic said:

That's not right. Even on BTW and TFM, her list of main collaborators/producers is remarkably short.

Born This Way:
RedOne
Fernando Garibay
DJ White Shadow
DJ Snake
Mutt Lange
Jeppe Laursen
Clinton Sparks

The Fame Monster:
RedOne
Fernando Garibay
Teddy Riley
Space Cowboy
Darkchild
Ron Fair

For Comparison, Joanne:
RedOne
Mark Ronson
BloodPop
Emile Haynie
Jeff Bhasker
Kevin Parker

Matter of fact, the The Fame Monster era IS the era where Gaga started doing everything herself, evidenced by her having production credits on each she wrote and released ever since.

I was talking about the eras/albums as one, not specifically just the making of the music. I should have been clearer  

As far as the music goes, I actually believe Gaga does best musically with minimal amounts of producers to help refine/focus her vast creative visions. Too many producers can lead to chaos, especially with someone like Gaga who has soo many ideas. She is a super talented writer, so she doesn't need much help in that department either.

The point I was originally trying to get at was that collaboration was definitely one of her biggest strengths earlier in her career. It's evident that the TFM/BTW eras were made so much better by her willingness to collaborate with the best talented artists in every field pertaining to career. The visuals, videos, photoshoots, image, concepts, energy, setting, marketing, performances, style behind an era can deeply enhance an album. I think this is a strong reason why Beyoncé has become so much more successful recently.

Starting in the middle of the ARTPOP era, it felt like things were starting to become more "homemade" and not as well executed imo. I believe this is because she started wanting full creative control over everything instead of collaborating with others as much. 

[FATCAT 60,044]

 R&B/Hip-hop artists ALWAYS sample. If there was a point to this thread, or that tweet, it's void.

[Bling 31,392]

9 hours ago, Bebe said:

People about to start acting sassy as if it's easy or uncreative to be able to sample and collage songs from the early 60's to the late 00's and work with a long list of talented collaborators in order to create one cohesive piece of work.

Collaboration is the cornerstone of innovation and creativity. If anything I wish an artist like Gaga would collaborate more - not because I think she is an untalented writer/producer but because more minds and more talent no doubt produce a body of work with more depth, better sound and that draws from more varied experience than one person alone could ever bring to the table.

It’s undeniable that Beyoncé had her hand on the controls for the creation of every piece of this album. Beyoncé is a credited writer on every single song. She is also a credited producer on every track but one. She touched everything. She tweaked the lyrics. She remixed the vocals. She made decisions big and small and perfected her art until it was ready for public consumption.

Congratulations to Beyonce for being able to curate the ideas of so many incredible writes/producers. Congratulations to her for being able to direct such an ambitious project. 

That takes great talent  

You're basically saying, "Congrats on being so inspired by other artists' work that you sampled them and EVEN credited them on the album! Such a masterpiece"

"Joanne" contains inspiration from other artists and genres but does not sample anything that they themselves didn't make in the studio. THAT, is what takes great talent...

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,713]

10 hours ago, Red said:

right!

this only makes it even more iconic.

some people STILL don't get post-contemporary art

[HausAlly 799]

im not even gonna get into cuz this thread is already 7 pages long, and another opinion i feel is just not necessary so ima just be over here listening to lemonade in the corner with the rest of the GGD beyhive 

 

 

[Borislshere 53,080]

25 minutes ago, Acsnpdx8 said:

You're basically saying, "Congrats on being so inspired by other artists' work that you sampled them and EVEN credited them on the album! Such a masterpiece"

"Joanne" contains inspiration from other artists and genres but does not sample anything that they themselves didn't make in the studio. THAT, is what takes great talent...

So Sampling something makes her untalented? 

[bliaz 897]

There you have your Beyoverrated 

[Harry 26,836]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Because Beyonce is getting excessively praised by her fans to the point where they're acting as if she created it all by herself. If they were honest about her limited involvement and gave her team full credit, I wouldn't have a problem at all. When I see Beyonce get praised when she had limited involvement but other artists who had the same level or more of involvement get so/so reception, my mind's considering it to be unjust.

Then your problem is with the fans, not Beyonce. No?

[PunkTheFunk 124,437]

How does one get exposedT for sampling  Do your teachers expose you for including a list of references in your essays?

[JoanneT 3]

Why is nobody talking about the end of the video ? Which shows how she plagiarized the music video for Hold Up (and although it has been adressed, nobody's discrediting her lol)

She has been accused of stealing creative ideas from other artists for the Lemonade film, and you still take her for the "Goddes of creativity" everyone seems to assimiliate her to ?

It's a copy of Swiss visual artist Pipilotti Rist’s 1997 installation “Ever Is Over All. Everything from the tempo to the bat-swings are perfectly matched. IT'S. THE. SAME.

It's like that time everyone thought Lemonade was so deep yet the writer of, "Sorry", Diana Gordon said the "Becky with the good hair" was something completely unrelated and dumb.

"The idea started in my mind, but it’s not mine anymore [...] I laughed, like this is so silly. Where are we living? I was like, 'What day in age from that lyric do you get all of this information? Is it really telling you all that much, accusing people?'"

She said the same about Daddy Lessons (which she wrote) :

"With Beyoncé, I feel like the songs we worked on were specifically for her. I didn’t have a dad growing up, so 'Daddy Lessons,' that was more of a fantasy for me. I felt like I was very strong in helping to raise my brothers and sisters, but that really was her story."

Lemonade is nothing short of amazing, nor conceptually innovative. Why is it getting all that praise ? People believe every good marketing strategy I guess. 

[Bling 31,392]

1 hour ago, Devyn said:

So Sampling something makes her untalented? 

No, I did not say that...I quite like Lemonade and Beyoncé is very talented. But when you compare her artistry to Gaga's and especially Lemonade and Joanne, Gaga is the clear winner. I really enjoy Beyonce's music, but people literally worship her and think she's like this huge star. I'm more interested in vocals, songwriting talent, and overall music delivery. And I feel Gaga's is more organic than Beyonce's. Beyoncé is part of "the system" of mainstream music and sales and billboard charts, etc. We have lost the definition of a musician and confused it with record sales and charts. I feel Gaga is a musician and artist. Beyoncé is a great singer and entertainer. Just my opinion. 

When a pop song can be played and sung BY THE ARTIST with one instrument (piano, guitar...), that is true excellence to me. Waiting on Bey...

Lemonade made me dance and have fun. I love some of the lyrics of the slower songs as well. But Gaga's feels more honest due to the minimal amount of writers involved. I feel more connected to Gaga's music than Beyonce's. 

Rant over.