Netherlands to ban Burqa in public spaces

[Melech 9,900]

3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

I just saw a special on this, how Brexit and Trump are evidence of a growing movement that will continue to spread. I wouldn't have thought this trend would continue in parts of Europe. Do you really think the more conservative candidates have a chance to win in the more liberal areas of Europe? 

Question is, does a burqa stand for liberal europe? 

[lego 44,165]

10 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Well, actually I was asking about it all. What scripture did it come from originally and how it was taken to such extremes? What was the evolution of these requirements/guidelines? 

 

I don't think this is the right topic for it. The references to female hair covering is in the holy books of all Abrahamic religions. I meant that minority wears niqabs and it's true, especially in the West and if the police requests them to remove face veil so they can check their ID they would do that, same at airport or bank. But picking up your child from kindergarten or sitting/standing in public transportation shouldn't require removing religious dress, which doesn't harm anyone. 

Like other user said if someone plans to commit a crime they'll find way to cover their identity, they won't care about the law.

[lego 44,165]

8 minutes ago, Melech said:

 

the last pic is of yemenite Jews fleeing to Israel due to persecution and not Haredi. And it probably is one of the reason they wearing those because they just came from Yemen, where burqa is sadly really common. 

 

You really don't know their reason for wearing it, unless you asked. There are other photos too, I didn't want to spam. 

 

[Jonathanholland 5,429]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

I just saw a special on this, how Brexit and Trump are evidence of a growing movement that will continue to spread. I wouldn't have thought this trend would continue in parts of Europe. Do you really think the more conservative candidates have a chance to win in the more liberal areas of Europe? 

Well in the Netherlands it's quite complicated. The PVV (Geert Wilders his party) has to win 76 of the 150 seats in parliament to be able to govern. Does he win less then those 76 seats, he has to form a government with another party to have the majority in the parliament. There aren't any big party's who are willing to collaborate with the PVV as it seems, and no single party has ever gotten those 76 seats in any election. 

It is on the other hand true that extreme populist and nationalist party's are getting stronger. These elections there will be 3 more populist party's participating in comparison to four years ago. The disunity and aversion against the EU, Muslims and immigrants seems to become worse every day. Besides that,  the populist party's in the western world are growing fast. These party's exist not only in the Netherlands, but also in the UK (UKIP), Belgium (Vlaams Belang), France (Front National) and the US (Republicans under Trump). Their anti-establishment message is causing an enormous conflict in these countries between many groups (White, colored, immigrants, muslims, poor, rich etc.)

[Cocaine Heart 4,768]

The same people here will call themselves feminists but want to tell women what to wear. Hiding behind the 'security' excuse to justify Islamaphobia is tragic.  

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

But why though? There are lots of ways to identify people and its not as if people wearing Burka's are more likely to need to be identified for criminal or suspicious reasons, so singling it out is messed up. Hiding behind the excuse of banning other face masks and things is a really flimsy excuse, this is just another way of policing people how I see it  

[Whispering 18,865]

4 minutes ago, Cocaine Heart said:

The same people here will call themselves feminists but want to tell women what to wear. Hiding behind the 'security' excuse to justify Islamaphobia is tragic.  

I disagree. Face coverings in certain places have long been a rule in many areas of the world. There is a difference in complying with requirements for public safety or dress codes and trying to ban people from covering their face walking down the street.

Schools have certain guidelines for students. In the US, you (usually) can't wear ball caps or sunglasses in the building in high schools, but you can wear a head covering for Religious reasons. In college classrooms, you can wear a ball cap, but a ski mask would be a different story in many classrooms. The rules and guidelines vary. 

[Guest]

In some countries it's compulsory to hide your face, and body, or just hair, yet nobody says anything. But when an European doesn't want to accept it according to THEIR culture, it's "racist". We have to accept and respect different cultures in different countries according to their beliefs and their values, if an European country doesn't fck with the concept of a woman hiding herself then it is what it is. Just like in some muslim countries you just cannot be a woman and wear normal clothes, it is what it is

[Miel 15,009]

I get why they're doing it.

I don't necessarily like it, but I get it.

[Nicole 1,809]

Disgusting. Some people may "get it" but it doesn't make it okay. how can these women do something as simple as taking their child to school, watching a school play or see their children get awards if they're not allowed in the school because of a religious headpiece they choose to wear? If identification was truely an issue for things like licenses or actually identifying the person - there are ways to actually go about that issue without humiliating them or introducing a law that disproportionately affects them and their freedom. 

[dopega 3,789]

Enigma popstar is shook 

[RichAssPiss 5,039]

4 hours ago, Melech said:

 

You need to look at the security point of view though. It doesn't matter if it is a burqa or a clown masked. If you can't see the face or identify you can basically do what ever you want. You could stab a person and security cameras wouldn't be able to identify you because your face is not seen. 

This argument is also used to discriminate against trans people, claiming they are not "identifiable" as their gender identity if it does not correlate with a birth certificate. It's bigoted rhetoric pretending to be non-biased. It is not about safety. It is about discrimination.

[Rosalina 612]

3 hours ago, Cocaine Heart said:

The same people here will call themselves feminists but want to tell women what to wear. Hiding behind the 'security' excuse to justify Islamaphobia is tragic.  

I personally find it much more disturbing that western feminists are fetishizing the veil in order to make a point about 'women's choice'. Women in the 21st century are actually being killed and having acid thrown in their faces for not wearing the veil; they don't wear it because they want to: it is nothing more than a symbol of the repression of women, and doesn't have any place in 21st century liberal democracies. 

The soft bigotry of low expectations that is expressed by those on the left in regards to Islam is becoming increasingly problematic. There are women around the world fighting tooth and nail not to be veiled, and my solidarity stands completely with them. 

Also, Islamophobia doesn't exist. It is perfectly rational to fear an ideology that teaches its adherents to hate Jews and Christians, to kill homosexuals and apostates, and to stone adulterers to death, especially when a majority of those adherents are in total agreement with that ideology.

[Bt1 5,213]

5 hours ago, arctikstorm said:

The problem is the xenophobic thinking behind it. What if it's cold and I want to wear my scarf around my face because of it, what will happen then? I'll tell you: nothing because I don't "look muslim".

Its for different places where its unlikely you Will wear a scarf because its cold.

[theARTVampire 3,800]

Are they still allowed to play Aura in public?