I wish 'Joanne' were a side project

[Xoxo Adriana 15,040]

I completely understand where you are coming from, don't worry! When Perfect Illusion first released I wasn't feeling it...I felt like she was trying so hard to 'not try hard' like people assumed she did with ARTPOP. When Joanne released I was 50/50 about it, and its understandable to feel this way because we are use to Gaga being the 'unique pop princess' out of the rest of them. Its been almost a month since Joanne released and I am obsessed with it, something that I wasn't really when it first came out. I think that next year is a new year, especially for Gaga's tour, I highly doubt she will just be wearing casual to her shows...you never know, she might have a surprise for us waiting.

[Anderson123 38,213]

Relax man. I love Joanne and it wasn't the album I expected, but I listen to it. Yes, it's not a gym album so I only listen to like 3 songs when I workout but that's what the rest of her albums are there for. Gaga is never going to repeat herself (probably) and she's always going to explore other things, work with different people, but the albums that we love are there to be listened. We're entitled to have our own opinion of what we like or not and that's fine, it's music.

[President Trump 3,508]

I like it, sort of, but I also think that it cemented her downfall.

[Gagz 2,579]

I agree, to an extent. This album doesn't feel like a Lady Gaga album. It's a really good album, but that's all it is to me. Her previous four were different, but I don't really know how to explain it. Joanne just doesn't feel like a Lady Gaga album. 

[ReidOne 12,427]

1 hour ago, ChrisC said:

For me i just keep remembering that time she said her "gaga side" was resting up for this album and yet, we got what seems like the least gaga album ever in every aspect of the word: Music, symbolism, costumes, promo, performances etc etc. I'm happy with Joanne and realize this was what she wanted, but i can't get over when she seems to neglect her own work but then says over and over " I know what the fans want, they deserve so much." Idk i just thought after all the disappointments ARTPOP had, followed by a 3 year gap, this album would've been much more interesting and iconic. Even with the amas on sunday, i feel like it is too late for MR and the only interesting thing this era will be the SB which, tbh, i am more excited to see her perform her older music than anything from Joanne. 

Me 100%. Thank you. 

[DontDoubtDavid 1,191]

3 hours ago, ReidOne said:

I listen to Gaga for primarily for 3 reasons: 

1) to escape reality

2) to bop my face off to her one-of-a-kind brand of electro dance pop

3) to marvel at her genius at infusing high art, conceptual depth, and subversive ideas into the typically "lightweight" world of pop

These are exactly the reasons I listen to Gaga also. Joanne is a great album and I'm really happy with it. What's kinda left a sour taste in my mouth from this era was Gaga's intense outspokenness in the elections, thus destroying reason #1 for me. Her involvement in politics before and after the elections caused her to move away from promoting her album. All social media outlets, including GGD, were no longer fun places to escape reality and appreciate her music and artistry...

[ReidOne 12,427]

Just now, DontDoubtDavid said:

This is exactly the reason I listen to Gaga also. Joanne is a great album and I'm really happy with it. What's kinda left a sour taste in my mouth from this era was Gaga's intense outspokenness in the elections, thus destroying #1 for me. Her involvement in politics before and after the elections caused her to move away from promoting her album, and all social media outlets, including GGD were no longer fun places to escape reality and appreciate her music and artistry...

[sillynate 6,170]

I agree with you. I love Joanne, I really do, but why exactly did she choose THIS for her comeback? I just hope that someday we get to hear the same Gaga we know and love.

Maybe since PI and A-YO flopped, and MR will soon, her next album will be considered her comeback 

[13VictorC 1,102]

7 hours ago, Ma Ma Pa Pa Pa said:

I like it, sort of, but I also think that it cemented her downfall.

I don't think we should discount Gaga's ability to steer fame.

If Gaga decides to climb to the top, she can do it with ease.

[Igor Hachul 365]

10 hours ago, ReidOne said:

Yep, you've seen this post 20x already, but it's my turn. 

I wish 'Joanne' were a side project, not the "comeback" of Lady Gaga. After the brilliant 18 months she served us with Cheek to Cheek and the "covers" era, we were absolutely percht for our Goddess to return to form. 

Instead she served us something that was.... pretty much the antithesis of what we show up for. And yes, it is brilliant in its own right (and I am happy and grateful we have it), but this whole era is starting to leave me feeling cold and disinterested.

And somewhat... betrayed. 

I listen to Gaga for primarily for 3 reasons: 

1) to escape reality

2) to bop my face off to her one-of-a-kind brand of electro dance pop

3) to marvel at her genius at infusing high art, conceptual depth, and subversive ideas into the typically "lightweight" world of pop

'Joanne' does not satisfy any of these things for me. It's way too "real" (the incessant politicizing/worship of one of the most loathed Presidential candidates in US history, Hillary Clinton), the refusal to include any form of electronic dance music (even going so far as to include RedOne, but only on an acoustic demo ) and an album completely void of symbolism or artistic depth (what you hear is what you get... there's no subtext). 

I mean, I'm fine if Gaga wants to explore this side of herself. And I do enjoy it for what it is. I would never want to stifle her artistic freedom and the right to explore that. But... as a long time fan, this era is simply the OPPOSITE of what I stan her for. And frankly, I strongly disagree with her standpoint on the politics. For the first time in my fandom, her "real life" views have become an impediment to my enjoyment of the art (which is the opposite of an "escape").

Furthermore, and I'm sure this won't be a popular comment, but it must be said... What she is doing on 'Joanne' is not breaking ANY new ground, artistically. It's all been done a zillion times before. And done better. It's fine if she wants to try her hand at these styles... I encourage that, actually. But just don't serve it up as the comeback pop album after we endured 18 months of another side project. 

I really hate to say this, but it is causing me to question how long I will continue to stan and if the artist I thought I knew so well ever really existed in the first place. Not saying that is the truth, but I'm actually shocked that I even have to face that reality. From HER of all people. 

I'm sorry for being negative, and for rehashing something that's been discussed plenty of times before, but I needed to get this out. 

I'm not anti-Joanne. I'm just missing Lady Gaga. 

It's everything that I think! Congratulations for showing your point of view here, what a brave LM

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

The album didn't meet our expectations. That said, it doesn't mean it's bad and we don't love it, I personally worship it  It's just not what we expected. When we heard that she is working with Mark Ronson and Bloodpop, we all expected some kind of dance, disco album and a massive comeback single, something like Hung Up or Can't Get You Out Of My Head. Instead, the lead single flopped worldwide and everyone's expectations lowered. THe album opened well, but it's slowly losing longevity, it's supposed to sell 17k this week (don't know if that's US only or WW)  I still have hope for this era btw.. It's just that the music on Joanne is not what is charting right now. It's not some tropical song with reggae and trap sounds (well, Dancin' In Circles is the closest to this description, and it can be the highlight of this era, in terms of success).

[Dominic 11,922]

That'd be brilliant. We may get a decent album in that case. 

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

10 hours ago, ReidOne said:

But... as a long time fan, this era is simply the OPPOSITE of what I stan her for. And frankly, I strongly disagree with her standpoint on the politics. For the first time in my fandom, her "real life" views have become an impediment to my enjoyment of the art (which is the opposite of an "escape").

While I do love the album Joanne, I would agree. It is not expected from Gaga and not what has always made her special? It's a 180 from her previous albums. Lady Gaga was always fun because she was an over-the-top outrageous pop star who made quality music. She is one of the first, or at least renewed, the sentiment that pop music can be more than a beat. It can have depth and themes. 

Not only did Gaga abandon her EDM/Pop music here for the most part, she also removed the thematic element, which really set her previous albums apart. While I know many view ARTPOP as a failure, listen to the music and look at the performances we got that era. The music was top-notch in my opinion, on the same level as TFM, and the performances were incredible. She suffered from bad management and, at the very most, some unrelatable themes for the GP. 

I cannot lie and say that I don't miss the EDM or Pop music Gaga revolutionized. Instead of reinventing the genre, she chose to reinvent herself. Like I said, I still like Joanne...it just doesn't feel like a Lady Gaga album and I wonder a few things: how her future projects will sound and how Joanne will fit in her discography after she has 7 or 8 albums under her belt? 

Pop, EDM, Pop-Rock...they're all hugely diverse genres of music. I wish Gaga could've experimented there a bit more. We can all pretend Joanne is pop, but it really isn't? Dancin' in Circles, John Wayne, and AYO are about the only ones close to fitting that...

[President Trump 3,508]

4 hours ago, 13VictorC said:

I don't think we should discount Gaga's ability to steer fame.

If Gaga decides to climb to the top, she can do it with ease.

Yeah I'm sure she just decided to not be successful anymore 

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