'Who do you choose?'

[Melech 9,900]

14 hours ago, LibraLove said:

I chose Jill Stein. The only Progressive running and the only person that has never been a Republican.

The anti-vaccine, anti-Israel girl? 

No thanks, I go with Hillary 

[LibraLove 1,282]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

The anti-vaccine, anti-Israel girl? 

No thanks, I go with Hillary 

Do you even do research or just read hit-piece article headlines from non-credible sources. She is not anti-vaccine. She was part of a movement of doctors during her 25 year tenure as an MD who raised concerns about Mercury being in vaccines. Mercury is no longer in vaccines, so this is not an issue. There is nothing wrong with asking questions concerning health.

This is also an extremely minor issue compared to voting for the Iraq War, consoling with war criminal Henry Kissinger, telling Big Banks in high dollar closed door meetings that you have a "public and private position" on issues, that you support terrible free trade agreements that destroy American jobs, saying you want to establish a "no-fly zone" in Syria which will require thousands of troops on the ground and put us in direct conflict with a nuclear armed Russia, telling Wall Street that you like the idea of privatizing Social Security and retirement funds, supporting and pushing for deadly regime change in four countries and selling the destructive operation of Fracking to the world as Secretary of State.

She is not anti Israel. What she is is anti-monetary aid to ALL Middle Eastern countries that don't work toward peace and violate human rights. She's Jewish for goodness sakes, so it's not like she despises Israel - she wants a peaceful resolution to the problems they and the Palestinians are facing that doesn't include destroying hospitals and schools.

[Melech 9,900]

13 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

Do you even do research or just read hit-piece article headlines from non-credible sources. She is not anti-vaccine. She was part of a movement of doctors during her 25 year tenure as an MD who raised concerns about Mercury being in vaccines. Mercury is no longer in vaccines, so this is not an issue. There is nothing wrong with asking questions concerning health.

This is also an extremely minor issue compared to voting for the Iraq War, consoling with war criminal Henry Kissinger, telling Big Banks in high dollar closed door meetings that you have a "public and private position" on issues, that you support terrible free trade agreements that destroy American jobs, saying you want to establish a "no-fly zone" in Syria which will require thousands of troops on the ground and put us in direct conflict with a nuclear armed Russia, telling Wall Street that you like the idea of privatizing Social Security and retirement funds, supporting and pushing for deadly regime change in four countries and selling the destructive operation of Fracking to the world as Secretary of State.

She is not anti Israel. What she is is anti-monetary aid to ALL Middle Eastern countries that don't work toward peace and violate human rights. She's Jewish for goodness sakes, so it's not like she despises Israel - she wants a peaceful resolution to the problems they and the Palestinians are facing that doesn't include destroying hospitals and schools.

Last time I checked she supports the BDS movement who continually harasses Jewish and Israeli student on campuses 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

29 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

If they actually used their brains like I am and many others are, then the top two candidates would have no support when you logically look at who they are and what their records consist of. Both are terrible people with terrible records, who will ruin people's lives inside and outside of this country. This isn't a sport, we aren't "betting" on who will win. Jill is the only candidate that supports my ideals and is not funded by big interests that contradict those ideals. So, go ahead and vote for that all you want. Hope you're okay with the blood of innocents on your hands, be it minorities in this country or outside of this country who are afraid of blue skies because of possible drone strikes, which Hillary condones.

I'm old enough to remember that and I'm old enough to know that that tired and trite comeback is absolutely untrue. My U.S. Senator, Al Gore, lost because he is a weak and uninspiring candidate, much like Hillary, who could not convince 200K+ REGISTERED DEMOCRATS in Florida to vote for him and not Bush. Al Gore also lost our home state of Tennessee, which Bill Clinton won handily TWICE, by less than 100K votes, which should not have even happened, but it dd. Had he actually won the state he represented, he would have been President.

You bring up the Supreme Court - if Trump wins and appoints conservative Justices, that will set us back to a pre-Obama Bush era court. No human rights, LGBT or Women's etc., were lost in those years and they will not be lost nowadays because the "Court of Public Opinion" has shifted so drastically to the left that people will not, and should not allow that to happen. Those rights were actually lost under a Democratic Presidency, Bill Clinton, when he and Hillary pushed for, supported and signed the Defense of Marriage Act, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Welfare Reform (which drastically impacted single mothers of all race, but mostly poor minorities), the Omnibus Crime Bill (which Hillary defended by equating African American people who resort to gangs and drugs to support themselves in downtrodden communities to dogs on a leash that need to be "brought to heel" - it drastically targeted and impacted people of color and basically created the Private Prison Industry, one of her big campaign donors), and NAFTA and CAFTA. 

So, again, past political records matter and actions still speak louder than words, which is all Trump has. Neither of them should be elected. They are both terrible. It is Clintonista policies that have given rise to people like Trump on the right, so how does it make sense to continue with more of the same that has sold people out and pushed more than 50% of the nation into poverty or the "working poor" with crappy, low wage, part-time jobs and no upward mobility??? That will only lead to something worse rising from the right, like Mike Pence who actually has establishment and voter backing, who will galvanize their base that is fractured now and more than likely win (since it's evident Hillary is weak since she's only a couple points ahead of a complete idiot). That totally makes sense.

We are not in the preliminaries anymore. It's Hillary or Trump, that's it. If you were actually using your brain instead of your heart you would acknowledge the fact that voting for Jill is like not voting at all because it serves no purpose to this election.

Welcome to reality, it sucks but it is what it is. 

[LibraLove 1,282]

24 minutes ago, DrewStevens said:

We are not in the preliminaries anymore. It's Hillary or Trump, that's it. If you were actually using your brain instead of your heart you would acknowledge the fact that voting for Jill is like not voting at all because it serves no purpose to this election.

Welcome to reality, it sucks but it is what it is. 

See, that is where you are wrong. Voting for Jill and the Green Party does serve a purpose because it builds a party that will not take its constituency for granted. I will never compromise my morals to vote for one of two terrible people, sorry. Get over it. Vote shaming people for not agreeing with your narrow-minded view of things does not help your case at all. Nobody is entitled to a vote - they have to earn them. Jill earned mine, Hillary did not.

If you actually had a grasped of the reality of things, then you would realize in extremely Republican states, like mine, Tennessee, will go for Trump overwhelmingly. We do not go by Popular Vote, so therefore, a vote for Hillary in this state and many others like it is effectively worthless. It does nothing. A vote for Jill and the Green Party builds the party, helps them gain ballot access nationally, and attain Federal funding and recognition as a major party. There's more to reality than just 1 or 2, Red or Blue. Sorry 'bout it. 

36 minutes ago, Simon said:

Last time I checked she supports the BDS movement who continually harasses Jewish and Israeli student on campuses 

"Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity."

Sounds like a good cause to me. She can support the cause - that doesn't necessarily mean she supports some of the member's actions. Just like here in the U.S., we have #BlackLivesMatters vs. Cops. While both groups have members that act up and misbehave, you can not characterize the whole entire group and disregard the good they do. Let me give you an opposing view - Hillary is good friends with, supports, takes money from and orchestrated huge weapons deals with the Saudis and Qataris, two nations/governments that massively abuse LGBT & Women's Human Rights and fund and arm jihadi extremist groups with those weapons that murder people all over the Middle East and attack Western cities. So, your point seems kind of moot.

[Toph 375]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

The anti-vaccine, anti-Israel girl? 

No thanks, I go with Hillary 

Jill Stein is NOT anti-vaccine. Stop spreading lies and misinformation like a damn Trump supporter.

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

[Whispering 18,865]

10 hours ago, PaperIz said:

 

It is stupid because you are forcing the system that causes it to happen. Vote for someone good and good will come, 

That's exactly what I am doing tomorrow morning! 

What I'm doing is going into a voting booth, after much research and consideration, and voting for the most qualified candidate that most closely aligns with my values and a vision of a country that is moving forward. 

[hausofgay 558]

HILLARY!!!

[takemetovenus 4,826]

3 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

Vote shaming

lol

[LibraLove 1,282]

1 minute ago, takemetovenus said:

lol

You think that's funny, but it does a huge disservice to the Founding Fathers and everything they believed and built this country on. So, keep laughing and they will keep rolling over in their graves because of the state of this country...

[DrewStevens 5,249]

8 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

See, that is where you are wrong. Voting for Jill and the Green Party does serve a purpose because it builds a party that will not take its constituency for granted. I will never compromise my morals to vote for one of two terrible people, sorry. Get over it. Vote shaming people for not agreeing with your narrow-minded view of things does not help your case at all. Nobody is entitled to a vote - they have to earn them. Jill earned mine, Hillary did not.

If you actually had a grasped of the reality of things, then you would realize in extremely Republican states, like mine, Tennessee, will go for Trump overwhelmingly. We do not go by Popular Vote, so therefore, a vote for Hillary in this state and many others like it is effectively worthless. It does nothing. A vote for Jill and the Green Party builds the party, helps them gain ballot access nationally, and attain Federal funding and recognition as a major party. There's more to reality than just 1 or 2, Red or Blue. Sorry 'bout it. 

"Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity."

Sounds like a good cause to me. She can support the cause - that doesn't necessarily mean she supports some of the member's actions. Just like here in the U.S., we have #BlackLivesMatters vs. Cops. While both groups have members that act up and misbehave, you can not characterize the whole entire group and disregard the good they do. Let me give you an opposing view - Hillary is good friends with, supports, takes money from and orchestrated huge weapons deals with the Saudis and Qataris, two nations/governments that massively abuse LGBT & Women's Human Rights and fund and arm jihadi extremist groups with those weapons that murder people all over the Middle East and attack Western cities. So, your point seems kind of moot.

No there isn't. You have more choices than Hillary and Trump but a vote for Jill is not going to do anything.

The votes that go for the Green Party are almost nothing compared to the votes for Republicans and Democrats. You aren't going to change America by voting for the Green Party. It's time to face the fact that a revolution is no near us. 

I'm not vote shaming you, I'm just welcoming you to something called reality.

[Melech 9,900]

16 minutes ago, LibraLove said:

 

"Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) is a Palestinian-led movement for freedom, justice and equality. BDS upholds the simple principle that Palestinians are entitled to the same rights as the rest of humanity."

Sounds like a good cause to me. She can support the cause - that doesn't necessarily mean she supports some of the member's actions. Just like here in the U.S., we have #BlackLivesMatters vs. Cops. While both groups have members that act up and misbehave, you can not characterize the whole entire group and disregard the good they do. Let me give you an opposing view - Hillary is good friends with, supports, takes money from and orchestrated huge weapons deals with the Saudis and Qataris, two nations/governments that massively abuse LGBT & Women's Human Rights and fund and arm jihadi extremist groups with those weapons that murder people all over the Middle East and attack Western cities. So, your point seems kind of moot.

Tell that to the amount of Jews they already harassed  Sorry but I care about my safety and if she supports a group like BDS with who I personally had contact with, sadly, I'm not gonna support Jill Stein. 

BDS also support the exclusion of Israeli students and teacher in campuses all over the world. Oh, I forgot to mention that Israelis Arabs are allowed to study wherever according to BDS. If you think that this is not problematic, I don't know. On the other hand you support Jill Stein, which then wouldn't be surprising. 

 

[Melech 9,900]

20 minutes ago, Toph said:

Jill Stein is NOT anti-vaccine. Stop spreading lies and misinformation like a damn Trump supporter.

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

 

[LibraLove 1,282]

5 minutes ago, DrewStevens said:

No there isn't. You have more choices than Hillary and Trump but a vote for Jill is not going to do anything.

The votes that go for the Green Party are almost nothing compared to the votes for Republicans and Democrats. You aren't going to change America by voting for the Green Party. It's time to face the fact that a revolution is no near us. 

I'm not vote shaming you, I'm just welcoming you to something called reality.

No, that is the literal definition of vote shaming - "Your vote means nothing, so you should vote for one of these two terrible people because [insert bad person's name]."

What part of this do you not understand? When the party has access to every state ballot, they do not have to waste time and money gathering signatures all over again. When they gain access to millions of dollars in federal funds, the game changes. They can actually get and buy the attention that the complicit media refuses to give them so they can continue to garner votes and provide a progressive alternative to the Democratic Party that is slowly marching to the right, especially with Hillary at the helm. Look at the primaries for example, the Democratic Party crapped all over the Independent, Millennial and Progressive votes and showed us immense disrespect throughout the whole process. They are welcomed in the Green Party and the Green Party supports their views. This provides an alternative when the Democratic Party stops working for the left and the working class. It's a way to hold them accountable and when they can't be, they will be replaced.

[LibraLove 1,282]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

Tell that to the amount of Jews they already harassed  Sorry but I care about my safety and if she supports a group like BDS with who I personally had contact with, sadly, I'm not gonna support Jill Stein. 

BDS also support the exclusion of Israeli students and teacher in campuses all over the world. Oh, I forgot to mention that Israelis Arabs are allowed to study wherever according to BDS. If you think that this is not problematic, I don't know. On the other hand you support Jill Stein, which then wouldn't be surprising. 

 

Your Instagram/Snapchat says you live in Spain or Germany or wherever, so you can support a contradictory warmongering, wall street and oil industry bankrolled elitist all you want. It's not going to effect you. For everything bad you try to point out about Jill, there is just the same amount of issues, if not more (there is definitely more) in regards to Hillary. But, do continue to ignore those and cast her as a perfect the perfect angel that she is not.