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Proud of Gaga: an ARTPOP-to-JOANNE story


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NIghtmareElm

Great post without being preachy and wishy washy.  

 

I feel that Joanne is the most Gaga albums since TFM.  With ARTPOP it felt like she was desperately trying to go back to The Fame to please the GP and the fans of The Fame.  Not a lot of it seemed natural but still a great album though.  With Joanne everything seems natural.  ARTPOP was meant to be fun and exciting, it was but it came off as somewhat desperate and dreary.  Joanne is way more fun.  Felt like Gaga was way happier and focused on making actual great music instead of focusing on pleasing people.

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11 hours ago, Beto said:

Can someone please, please elaborate on this? It's not the first time I see it and I don't understand

Lovely post

and this 1000x :golfclap:

Thank you :) 

Well, I'll explain, but keep in mind that this is my own interpretation. 

We know that Gaga was in depression during ARTPOP, she was getting better during the artRave but anyone facing a depression knows you cannot get better so fast. 

The artrave was extremely colourful, like no show before. I feel like she was trying to convince herself that maybe she could be the Lady Gaga us fans wanted her to be, by doing too much so that it was almost ridiculous, drastic. 

Some of her outfits and wigs reminded me of the Fame Era so much, those for instance: 

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The show had no story unlike The Monster Ball and the BTWB. It was only the performance of a bunch of songs one after the other without coherent thread. She was giving us a tour because we wanted it. She was only recovering, I don't think a tour was the most important thing in her life at that moment. Yet, she gave us a tour. 

What I feel is that she hid her sadness so deep inside to make us feel she was okay, but it was still present as the Gaga we witnessed wasn't the same. There was like a whole in her. I don't know if you see what I mean... She put energy into her artRave, but no authentic and natural passion. 

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Joshie S

i completely get what you are saying i feel like you and i could have deep deep deep conversations :) 

The melody that you choose can rescue you ♥
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10 hours ago, DeathEater said:

Great post without being preachy and wishy washy.  

 

I feel that Joanne is the most Gaga albums since TFM.  With ARTPOP it felt like she was desperately trying to go back to The Fame to please the GP and the fans of The Fame.  Not a lot of it seemed natural but still a great album though.  With Joanne everything seems natural.  ARTPOP was meant to be fun and exciting, it was but it came off as somewhat desperate and dreary.  Joanne is way more fun.  Felt like Gaga was way happier and focused on making actual great music instead of focusing on pleasing people.

100% agree with you

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2 hours ago, Gagadonna said:

The artrave was extremely colourful, like no show before.

The show had no story unlike The Monster Ball and the BTWB. It was only the performance of a bunch of songs one after the other without coherent thread.

I agree completely.  I found artRAVE to be very colorful, and the stage production and presentation of each of the songs was very artistic.  In my view, much of the art in the ARTPOP era comes from this concert.  I found the concert to be thrilling even though it lacked a coherent thread, as you said.  Those who missed artRAVE may want to take a look at the short clips of many of the songs as seen from where I was sitting.  The two-hour concert is condensed down to 20 minutes here:  https://vimeo.com/100648495

 

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eifulien

It's a lovely thread, but I gotta point out something.

Please, let's not make Joanne a second ARTPOP. The poor album is still suffering by fans' delusion that there was another much better version of the album in 2012 and some drastic changes were made in 2013. (it's been confirmed many times including by this guy mindtrappa that the majority of the album was largely the same a year before release)

Joanne is the first and only finished version of LG5 and that's it. Just accept it. I don't understand people who prefer to perpetuate a fake idea that there is always a better version of something just because they didn't happen to be the biggest fans of it. If you don't like (not the OP, in general) Joanne, that's fine. But let's not pretend there was another version with RedOne. We just know of 8 songs, which may be completely different from what we imagine as FameGa and DarkGa and SynthGa, etc. (Angel Down is not even remotely close to TF/TFM styles).

Now, let's just enjoy our new jewel! 

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