brizoda 3,847 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Enigma said: Exactly, she is not roleplaying anything. She is just a fusion/hybrid of many things. People just don't understand her. the same happened with Prince's music Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, brizoda said: the same happened with Prince's music Oh really? What did critics say about him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 3,847 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Just now, Enigma said: Oh really? What did critics say about him? a lot of crítics were lost at defining his music like always with the legendary artists they're more lauded when dead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei 61,110 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 critics are always like: OMG not the whole album is in exactly the same style This is awful there is no cohesion whatsoever Miss gaga misses the point entirely how awful Musery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, brizoda said: a lot of crítics were lost at defining his music like always with the legendary artists they're more lauded when dead Yes. Gaga won't be fully appreciated until she is gone too, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, brizoda said: the same happened with Prince's music GOD YES THIS!!! seriously it always pissed me the **** off how much critics did this to Prince!!! Such a disservice to the amazing music on ALL his albums! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 The critics did not understand the chameleon nature of Bowie's music either. They only have now in retrospect. I hate to compare the two but I doubt she'll experience critical acclaim for current work for most of her career going forward due how polarizing she has been. You either hate or love her with mild casual fan love in the mix. She's a cult figure. He started off a critical darling (like Gaga!) but once David experimented, the critics turned their backs. He's an icon and I think she's on her way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Critics (I'm curious as to how many of them actually have creative minds and can make their own music) rely on labels and classification of music in their reviews. They use lofty terms and judge music by its ability to conform to these labels and descriptive adjectives. IMO music criticism is cringey in that respect because it's always trying to define what's good and isn't good and it doesn't ****ing matter at the end of the day... It's what makes musical criticism really hard imo. Gaga increasingly is showing that she doesn't conform to labels, so **** the critics forever and always... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,820 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 A very good point. It's a crying shame that critics can't appreciate this thing that makes her different and unique and then have the audacity to say that she lacks authenticity. Plenty of other artists have tried on different genres and reviews can be a bit up and down when this happens. Critics like artists to stick to one genre their entire career and value cohesiveness highly. Both these things are elements that mean absolutely nothing to me as an amateur critic. So, yeah, this is why I get quite pissed at professional critics and love going on rants about them. 12 minutes ago, androiduser said: Critics have been around long enough and have heard enough good and bad albums to understand genres. The question is whether they think something was successful or not in an attempt to combine certain genres, and this is a personal opinion that can never be unbiased. In Gaga's case, I think some of them feel the new sound is a bit forced in the attempt to feel "real" "raw" etc. Personally, I don't see it in the music, but I do feel that forced attempt in how Gaga talks about her music. If they've been around long enough and heard enough, why do they act so dumb when the obvious is right in front of them? I've listened to albums that have songs that sound like other artists songs, songs that have laughably bad lyrics, incorporate bad vocals, etc. I read the reviews and the critics don't bring up this stuff at all. If they're professionals, why can't they pick up on stuff that an amateur can? It makes it very difficult for me to respect them. I don't give a hoot if they're professional. They're not doing their job right. Makes me wonder why you need a degree in music to do this. It's funny, so many legends call Gaga the real deal. You'd think the critics would start picking up on it. They sure follow what the public believes when it comes to how they review an album, surely the views of actual musicians would make them take notice? But hey, it's a known fact that female artists struggle to get respected when they go artistic and try for authenticity. Kanye West puts forward his artistry and authenticity in such a cringey way and yet, the critics love him and call him a genius. Could you imagine if Gaga made his kind of music? Calling herself a god and that we should all be honoured by her lateness and the like? Oh, no. A woman can't do that stuff in her music and be respected. Critics love doing the written equivalent of jerking off a male artist. When a woman tries to do something similar, she's trying to hard, she thinks she's better than she is. Did I mention how professional critics really try my patience? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Just now, Enigma said: If you don't see it in the music than why does it matter? to me personally it doesn't matter and I am totally blown away by the fact that - to me - the music does not seem pretentious at all. However, since I do feel this in Gaga's description of the music, I acknowledge that somebody can hear it in the music as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Music not the praise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaf 2,429 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 She did the same thing (hybrid x Gaga genre) with Born This Way but it's a fair assessment nonetheless. Do I think it deserves to be rated higher by critics? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 People have a difference of opinion it's their profession I think they know what they are doing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: A very good point. It's a crying shame that critics can't appreciate this thing that makes her different and unique and then have the audacity to say that she lacks authenticity. Plenty of other artists have tried on different genres and reviews can be a bit up and down when this happens. Critics like artists to stick to one genre their entire career and value cohesiveness highly. Both these things are elements that mean absolutely nothing to me as an amateur critic. So, yeah, this is why I get quite pissed at professional critics and love going on rants about them. If they've been around long enough and heard enough, why do they act so dumb when the obvious is right in front of them? I've listened to albums that have songs that sound like other artists songs, songs that have laughably bad lyrics, incorporate bad vocals, etc. I read the reviews and the critics don't bring up this stuff at all. If they're professionals, why can't they pick up on stuff that an amateur can? It makes it very difficult for me to respect them. I don't give a hoot if they're professional. They're not doing their job right. Makes me wonder why you need a degree in music to do this. It's funny, so many legends call Gaga the real deal. You'd think the critics would start picking up on it. They sure follow what the public believes when it comes to how they review an album, surely the views of actual musicians would make them take notice? But hey, it's a known fact that female artists struggle to get respected when they go artistic and try for authenticity. Kanye West puts forward his artistry and authenticity in such a cringey way and yet, the critics love him and call him a genius. Could you imagine if Gaga made his kind of music? Calling herself a god and that we should all be honoured by her lateness and the like? Oh, no. A woman can't do that stuff in her music and be respected. Critics love doing the written equivalent of jerking off a male artist. When a woman tries to do something similar, she's trying to hard, she thinks she's better than she is. Did I mention how professional critics really try my patience? THIS ! Critics can't handle her hybrid nature at all. When they look into her music (which happens very rarely, sadly) and try to analyze it they don't really take time for trying to understand it. They listen to the album once or twice and then state their opinion about it. So many of them described it as a ragbag of different influences and wrote it off as something negative just because it is different than pop yet it is still pop. What bugs me the most at the moment while reading through all those reviews is that 90 % of them tend to praise Mark Ronson and all other members of that album project yet Gaga is seen as if she hadn't been incooperated at all in the production process. I've even read that she just paid them to make her the new Amy Winehouse. It's ridiculous that those critics cannot appreciate what she's accomplished with this album and low-key deny her artistic ability by detailing the achievements of the producers behind that project while the artist herself is only mentioned with a smattering of lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedu24 706 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 As was said previously by someone here. Any one who last remembers Gaga by her meat dress is not fit to judge her new music or sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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