Gaga and Beyoncé now album artists?

[lucastecala 795]

3 hours ago, KingRedd said:

PLease don't ever bring up Beyoncé here again. Monsters are forever pressed at how successful she is. Beyoncé is an album artist since "Beyoncé." She performs medleys of the album, has a video for every song on the album and creates buzz off the album as a whole. People weren't saying "omg I love hold up" or "she did good with sorry" they were saying "omg I love lemonade." And why is it ok for Gaga to sing about life and relationships and rape and pain but when Beyoncé sings about cheating it's a "rumor" or "pathetic." Im so over y'all downplaying her and shitting on lemonade when it was both visually and musically great. You guys are pop fans so why criticize an R&B album? GGD I can't. Lol

You do realize that my whole post was celebrating Beyoncé's success (whom I love, both her and her two last albums), right? I'm gonna assume you're scolding the rest of the gays who commented on this thread. I freaking love Beyoncé, and I'm saying that  I think it's a great idea Gagz is following her path. 

[KingRedd 3,139]

4 minutes ago, lucastecala said:

You do realize that my whole post was celebrating Beyoncé's success (whom I love, both her and her two last albums), right? I'm gonna assume you're scolding the rest of the gays who commented on this thread. I freaking love Beyoncé, and I'm saying that  I think it's a great idea Gagz is following her path. 

Exactly. I'm agreeing with you while scalping the pressed. Lol I'm saying anytime you say Beyoncé on here all hell breaks loose and monsters automatically throw shade at her. 

[Anderson123 38,293]

I see Gaga as an album artist in the term that all of her songs are good and she puts the effort to release good music on all of them. She works hard even on the least popular ones because she wants to have good quality in them. Born This Way for example, she talked about how she wanted to show the world all of the songs, not just the singles. She used previews of Government Hooker, Black Jesus and Scheisse for runway events, she sang Americano live in Mexico, she released Hair as promo singles, she released Marry The Night, Fashion of His Love and Electric Chapel via Farmville, performed Heavy Metal Lover on New Years' Eve, etc. She really works hard on all of these songs. It's not just a couple of good songs made to be released as singles then the rest of the album be filler.

I guess only The Fame has just a couple more tracks that could've been released as singles but the ones they chose were perfect. It was also the start of her career so as time passed, she learned new stuff and got more involved in the production.

I can't talk about Beyoncé though, she's nice and talented but I don't follow her career and don't listen to her that much.

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

7 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

Isn't she signed to Sony? I honestly didn't know jay owned sony. It's ok to dislike her by all means. It's just pathetic to downplay her EVERYTIME she's mentioned. I don't expect pop fans to enjoy Beyoncé as much as Britney or Katy or Gaga. I just don't like the notion that Beyoncé is overrated because of her husband, she's not creative, she's a robot, etc. 

 

There is not a serious reason behind why monsters feel that way. Maybe your reasoning is valid but majority on here will trash her no matter what she does. It's not her fault she has freedom she has been controlled all of her career and now that she can make songs and perform how she wants after 10 years of being in the industry she is bad? That's how the industry works. They controll you in the beginning and your style. After you're established, you get more freedom. Gaga herself has spoken about this so many times. Finally having freedom to make what she wants and not the labels request. 

Sorry, I got that part a bit muddled. I kept thinking she switched to Jay's label after 4. Remember, she fired her dad as her manager (again, that was a major plus she had before) and Jay took over? I've never really paid attention to what label she was signed to but I do remember of course that it was Columbia and she does a joint deal with Parkwood (which is founded by her, another plus). I just remembered it wrong. But still, with him as her manager, she gets protection. You keep bringing up how You need to stop saying that you don't expect pop fans to enjoy her. Pop fans can listen to all kinds of music, it's just that pop is their #1. I can appreciate an artist like Beyonce if they're making consistently good music. Well, sorry, but the idea that Beyonce is overrated because of her husband and accusations of her not being creative are pretty accurate. Being involved with Jay undeniably helped her to be taken seriously (they're the biggest power couple on the planet, you can't pretend that hasn't helped how they're perceived) and as for her not being creative, well, she has done pretty much the same things over her entire career. Apart from Daddy Lessons, she's never even attempted to do another genre, unless you count her urban music with a pop edge.

I'm not just talking about Gaga fans, although there are definitely those who feel this way. I know because I've seen them say the same things. Yes, there are some who will trash her whatever she does, but don't tar everyone who criticises her with the same brush. I'm not saying it's bad for her to make the music that she wants now (and she hasn't been controlled for 10 years - her dad was her manager and she's been perfectly happy with her old music) but merely pointing out that she has this advantage where others do not. It's misguided to blame other artists for not being at Beyonce's level when they can't be because they're not allowed her advantages. Yes, Gaga has more freedom now, but it's still limited. Depending on how she performs, she might get some of that freedom taken away from her again, like what happened with AP. Females really struggle to get freedom from their labels unless they're a mega seller like Adele or Taylor or someone with a big support network industry around them, like Beyonce. Females are disrespected terribly in the industry while men are allowed a lot more freedom and not forced to change their image or her music as much. As a female, you will always be wondering how long your freedom lasts in the business. You'll get the occasional woman who has a very understanding label who lets you be as experimental as you want, like Kate Bush or Bjork, but those women are the exception, not the rule. And the fact that they were never generic helps considerably too. But if a woman once enjoyed massive mainstream success, she'll always be wrestling with her label to be allowed to be more experimental.

[KingRedd 3,139]

5 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Sorry, I got that part a bit muddled. I kept thinking she switched to Jay's label after 4. Remember, she fired her dad as her manager (again, that was a major plus she had before) and Jay took over? I've never really paid attention to what label she was signed to but I do remember of course that it was Columbia and she does a joint deal with Parkwood (which is founded by her, another plus). I just remembered it wrong. But still, with him as her manager, she gets protection. You keep bringing up how You need to stop saying that you don't expect pop fans to enjoy her. Pop fans can listen to all kinds of music, it's just that pop is their #1. I can appreciate an artist like Beyonce if they're making consistently good music. Well, sorry, but the idea that Beyonce is overrated because of her husband and accusations of her not being creative are pretty accurate. Being involved with Jay undeniably helped her to be taken seriously (they're the biggest power couple on the planet, you can't pretend that hasn't helped how they're perceived) and as for her not being creative, well, she has done pretty much the same things over her entire career. Apart from Daddy Lessons, she's never even attempted to do another genre, unless you count her urban music with a pop edge.

I'm not just talking about Gaga fans, although there are definitely those who feel this way. I know because I've seen them say the same things. Yes, there are some who will trash her whatever she does, but don't tar everyone who criticises her with the same brush. I'm not saying it's bad for her to make the music that she wants now (and she hasn't been controlled for 10 years - her dad was her manager and she's been perfectly happy with her old music) but merely pointing out that she has this advantage where others do not. It's misguided to blame other artists for not being at Beyonce's level when they can't be because they're not allowed her advantages. Yes, Gaga has more freedom now, but it's still limited. Depending on how she performs, she might get some of that freedom taken away from her again, like what happened with AP. Females really struggle to get freedom from their labels unless they're a mega seller like Adele or Taylor or someone with a big support network industry around them, like Beyonce. Females are disrespected terribly in the industry while men are allowed a lot more freedom and not forced to change their image or her music as much. As a female, you will always be wondering how long your freedom lasts in the business. You'll get the occasional woman who has a very understanding label who lets you be as experimental as you want, like Kate Bush or Bjork, but those women are the exception, not the rule. And the fact that they were never generic helps considerably too. But if a woman once enjoyed massive mainstream success, she'll always be wrestling with her label to be allowed to be more experimental.

I stopped at the Jay Z part. Beyoncé cut ties with her dad one reason being she is grown and he wanted her to keep the " I don't curse I'm squeaky clean" image. She then did the self titled album. Jay, to my knowledge, is not her manager. Beyoncé was successful way before she married him. He's not the reason people care for her, it's the other way around.  

Momsters on here tore Gaga to shreads when they found out Joanne was not going to be hardcore pop. When fans love 'Venus' but say every Beyoncé song is awful is what I have a problem with. I guess we won't concur on this subject lmao I'll always believe monsters are harsh on everything she does because they feel as though she gets too much attention that should be on Gaga. No one can convince me otherwise. As I said it's ok to not like her music but to say Beyoncé is awful and uncreative is beyond me. YouTube "Beyoncé is bossy" and you'll see what I mean. 

Fun Fact: the performances that everyone loves from Gaga were most likely not even thought of by her. The videos we all love weren't directed by her. 

BR- Francis Lawrence

VMA 2009- Laurie Ann 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

24 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

I stopped at the Jay Z part. Beyoncé cut ties with her dad one reason being she is grown and he wanted her to keep the " I don't curse I'm squeaky clean" image. She then did the self titled album. Jay, to my knowledge, is not her manager. Beyoncé was successful way before she married him. He's not the reason people care for her, it's the other way around.  

Momsters on here tore Gaga to shreads when they found out Joanne was not going to be hardcore pop. When fans love 'Venus' but say every Beyoncé song is awful is what I have a problem with. I guess we won't concur on this subject lmao I'll always believe monsters are harsh on everything she does because they feel as though she gets too much attention that should be on Gaga. No one can convince me otherwise. As I said it's ok to not like her music but to say Beyoncé is awful and uncreative is beyond me. YouTube "Beyoncé is bossy" and you'll see what I mean. 

Fun Fact: the performances that everyone loves from Gaga were most likely not even thought of by her. The videos we all love weren't directed by her. 

BR- Francis Lawrence

VMA 2009- Laurie Ann

Well, maybe you should have kept on reading. I don't know about you, but when someone says something I don't like, I want to keep reading further to see how much worse they get. I may not agree with what they say, but they deserve the respect of me reading their entire response that they put time and effort into. Sorry, but I find saying that you stopped reading after a certain point to be very rude. I researched the manager situation because I was sure I heard post-4 that Jay was now her manager. Seemed the press misunderstood things. But apparently she cut ties with her manager in 2014 so that she could run things with Jay and he was also playing an unofficial managerial role at Parkwood at the time. And he has been involved in her career heavily for years. Yes, Beyonce was successful before she married him, but he helped elevate her status even further. He was on her debut single, after all, and it all snowballed from there. Popping up on his album and doing a tour with him has certainly kept her star burning bright. But it doesn't really matter who she was married to, as long as it was another highly successful singer, it's not because it was Jay in particular.

Not all of GGD is pop fans. Not all of us want her to go on making pop. I loved Joanne. And people have different views on songs, big surprise. We don't always understand how people think as regards to how they view songs, there's not always something personal there. Yes, I wish more of the attention Beyonce gets was on Gaga but that doesn't affect how I view her music. What I think of Beyonce as an artist and a person are 2 different things. You say it's ok to dislike her music but you don't think it's ok to call her awful and uncreative...don't those 2 things go hand in hand? We don't like her music because we think it's awful and uncreative? And yes, I've seen Beyonce's videos of her shady diva moments and I've got to say, they're spot on. This is why I don't like her as a person. She big headed and self centered. Her surprise release confirmed that if nothing else. She wants all the attention on her at all times, even if she has to step on others to do it.

I don't care about Gaga's videos or even performances. I care about the songs. I don't mind who the other stuff was dreamed up by, as long as her songs are all her. They are, of course, the main part of being an artist. The dancing, the videos, etc. all come second. But when an artist doesn't make their actual music, that bothers me a bit. Particularly if they are getting praised as if they created it completely on their own.

[venusian 4,686]

5 hours ago, mikedu24 said:

Huge Beyoncé fan here. But for the love of God how many times is she going to play the Jay Z cheating narrative before a concert or album release.                Btw Lemonade is actually a 50/100 album for me. Don't get all the hype.  

Ps: I'm black

i, a beyonce stan agree with the cheating thing but lemonade is a masterpiece that is undeniable

[KingRedd 3,139]

1- Beyoncé gets praised for her entertainment skills and vocal abilities. 

2- You don't know me so I get you feel disrespected but honestly, don't take everything so literal.  I obviously read your post. I'm putting emphasis on the fact that the first few sentences were already wrong in my opinion.

3- I said 3 times that it's ok to not like her music

4-  If you feel she's successful because of him then that's just how you feel. I can't change that. 

5- Opinions and facts are different. Monsters on here feel like if they say she sucks, that anyone who likes her and defends her is overrating her.  I grew up listening to Beyoncé and other R&B artist. So I feel as though people who mainly care for POP shouldn't say the songs are awful. 

6- If it's only music that makes and artist creative then you can't give Gaga full credit on that either. She gives credit where credit is due and I admire her for that. Gaga loves to work with others on producing and writing. Gaga is an icon for being a total package. Musicians can write but it's how you get them to stick with people through visuals, videos, commercials, performances,etc that makes a musician an Artist to me. I love them both lol oh well. 

[monketsharona 80,756]

Gaga always has been an album artist...

People say ARTPOP is a flop, but the flop album still sold +2.5M copies worldwide which is quite good. Especially knowing most popstars today can't outsell it 

[StrawberryBlond 14,836]

6 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

1- Beyoncé gets praised for her entertainment skills and vocal abilities. 

2- You don't know me so I get you feel disrespected but honestly, don't take everything so literal.  I obviously read your post. I'm putting emphasis on the fact that the first few sentences were already wrong in my opinion.

3- I said 3 times that it's ok to not like her music

4-  If you feel she's successful because of him then that's just how you feel. I can't change that. 

5- Opinions and facts are different. Monsters on here feel like if they say she sucks, that anyone who likes her and defends her is overrating her.  I grew up listening to Beyoncé and other R&B artist. So I feel as though people who mainly care for POP shouldn't say the songs are awful. 

6- If it's only music that makes and artist creative then you can't give Gaga full credit on that either. She gives credit where credit is due and I admire her for that. Gaga loves to work with others on producing and writing. Gaga is an icon for being a total package. Musicians can write but it's how you get them to stick with people through visuals, videos, commercials, performances,etc that makes a musician an Artist to me. I love them both lol oh well. 

1. So? What was that to do with what I said?

2. Ok, but if that was the case, you should have just said that instead of making it sound like you literally stopped reading after that.

3. If it's ok to dislike her music, then what have you got against people saying that she's overrated? When you don't like someone's music (or at least think it's ok but not excellent), then, naturally, you will think that person is overrated if they get praised. The two opinions go hand in hand.

4. I didn't say she's successful because of him. Just that he's helped increase her success, popularity and overall respect that was already present.

5. I was stating a fact. Not all GGD users hate Beyonce, nor do they all hate her inexplicably. Why do you insist they're all like this? And sorry, there is no law against what music we can and can't comment on regardless of whether we like the genre in question or not. Free speech and all. What is with the attitude of a lot of RnB fans around here, by the way? They act as if they're so above it all. I like rock and rap music but I don't mind that GGD doesn't overly care for those genres. But the RnB fans take it so personally when anyone round here says anything against one of its artists. And you do know it's possible to like RnB but not everyone in it, right?

6. I didn't mean she literally does everything when it comes to her songs. I meant that she has main writing control and primary writing credits on all her songs, produces them all, etc. Beyonce does not have that, regardless of what her credits say. It's well known that she has songs written for her that she tweaks and she doesn't play an instrument (no, I don't regard the voice as an instrument) so she can't produce in the traditional sense. I really don't get what getting a team of people to stick with you throughout your entire choice of imagery has to do with being a musician, but that's your perogative, I guess.

[KingRedd 3,139]

33 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

1. So? What was that to do with what I said?

2. Ok, but if that was the case, you should have just said that instead of making it sound like you literally stopped reading after that.

3. If it's ok to dislike her music, then what have you got against people saying that she's overrated? When you don't like someone's music (or at least think it's ok but not excellent), then, naturally, you will think that person is overrated if they get praised. The two opinions go hand in hand.

4. I didn't say she's successful because of him. Just that he's helped increase her success, popularity and overall respect that was already present.

5. I was stating a fact. Not all GGD users hate Beyonce, nor do they all hate her inexplicably. Why do you insist they're all like this? And sorry, there is no law against what music we can and can't comment on regardless of whether we like the genre in question or not. Free speech and all. What is with the attitude of a lot of RnB fans around here, by the way? They act as if they're so above it all. I like rock and rap music but I don't mind that GGD doesn't overly care for those genres. But the RnB fans take it so personally when anyone round here says anything against one of its artists. And you do know it's possible to like RnB but not everyone in it, right?

6. I didn't mean she literally does everything when it comes to her songs. I meant that she has main writing control and primary writing credits on all her songs, produces them all, etc. Beyonce does not have that, regardless of what her credits say. It's well known that she has songs written for her that she tweaks and she doesn't play an instrument (no, I don't regard the voice as an instrument) so she can't produce in the traditional sense. I really don't get what getting a team of people to stick with you throughout your entire choice of imagery has to do with being a musician, but that's your perogative, I guess.

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[danilov 288]

I'm iffy with the term "album artist" in this thread. For me, when I hear "album artist", a musician creates her entire album with one sound and concept, and is meant to be heard as one, not individually.

Maybe what OP is trying to stay is a marketing strategy side, which focuses on releasing album at once, or releasing a single first.

For Gaga to be an "album artist" based on how OP means it (a strategy), she should have dropped the album as one, and not release PI.

But so far, performance- and promo-wise, it's an "album artist" approach (except the release of PI as a single). Especially that us LMs are crazy thinking about what's gonna be her next single. We don't know and we only base it on stats about sales (on what songs are charting). It gives the effect that the entire album as one is a great material--songs to be the next single are arguable. That for me is the effect of being an "album artist".

Just my opinion. 

[Thomas P 18,479]

8 hours ago, KingRedd said:

PLease don't ever bring up Beyoncé here again. Monsters are forever pressed at how successful she is. Beyoncé is an album artist since "Beyoncé." She performs medleys of the album, has a video for every song on the album and creates buzz off the album as a whole. People weren't saying "omg I love hold up" or "she did good with sorry" they were saying "omg I love lemonade." And why is it ok for Gaga to sing about life and relationships and rape and pain but when Beyoncé sings about cheating it's a "rumor" or "pathetic." Im so over y'all downplaying her and shitting on lemonade when it was both visually and musically great. You guys are pop fans so why criticize an R&B album? GGD I can't. Lol

I BOW DOWN!!! I agree with everything you said.

And the OP, they've both been Album artists since the beginning of their respective careers, in the sense that the albums that they put out are good from start to finish, just more recently they've stopped promoting the singles, and more the albums. So yes I agree and disagree with what you said, but it was a fun read none the less.

[KingRedd 3,139]

9 minutes ago, Thomas P said:

I BOW DOWN!!! I agree with everything you said.

And the OP, they've both been Album artists since the beginning of their respective careers, in the sense that the albums that they put out are good from start to finish, just more recently they've stopped promoting the singles, and more the albums. So yes I agree and disagree with what you said, but it was a fun read none the less.

I literally spent half the day defending her haha damn.

They have great albums I meant during the Beyoncé era it seemed like she just stopped caring about pushing certain songs and just started performing whatever she wanted ha .

 

[phantasmas 10,528]

3 hours ago, monketsharona said:

Gaga always has been an album artist...

People say ARTPOP is a flop, but the flop album still sold +2.5M copies worldwide which is quite good. Especially knowing most popstars today can't outsell it 

this.

i would say its safe to assume that she is both a singles, AND an albums artist.. & a strong one at that  cant wait for her to become the biggest selling artist of all time