Jill Stein town hall on the Young Turks

[Bebe 17,289]

34 minutes ago, KleinGa said:

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Just when I was getting ready to have a good discussion with you I see that....

Ahhh the delusion.

 

The Young Turks are have interviewed everyone from Vice President Al Gore, 

President Carter
 

to recently Bernie Sanders

They have also interviewed the likes of Larry King

Sam Harris
 

Danny Trejo

Among many others.... They might be an internet based show, but they are seen as pretty legitimate. I would be interested to see these 'conspiracy theories' you claim they make  As of now it mostly just seems like assertions and insults

If you're going to condemn Jill Stein for going on TYT, you'll also have to condemn serious politicians, vice presidents, presidents, respected public figures as well as CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, ABC News, Politico and Raw Story that are all news organisations Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian have contributed to. 

Like I said, you don't have to like TYT or Jill Stein, but it's a BS criticism. Find something more substantive to criticise Jill Stein on, there is plenty out there.

[Melech 9,900]

1 hour ago, Bebe said:

The Young Turks are have interviewed everyone from Vice President Al Gore, 

President Carter
 

to recently Bernie Sanders

They have also interviewed the likes of Larry King

Sam Harris
 

Danny Trejo

Among many others.... They might be an internet based show, but they are seen as pretty legitimate. I would be interested to see these 'conspiracy theories' you claim they make  As of now it mostly just seems like assertions and insults

If you're going to condemn Jill Stein for going on TYT, you'll also have to condemn serious politicians, vice presidents, presidents, respected public figures as well as CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, ABC News, Politico and Raw Story that are all news organisations Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian have contributed to. 

Like I said, you don't have to like TYT or Jill Stein, but it's a BS criticism. Find something more substantive to criticise Jill Stein on, there is plenty out there.

I don't know. The individuals are very Islamophobic and anti Semitic. 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9797

 

I wouldn't call the conspiracy theoriest (unless one can provide sources) but they are really not innocent

[Bebe 17,289]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

I don't know. The individuals are very Islamophobic and anti Semitic. 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9797

Ehh, I mean it's a harsh critique on religion in general but:

"I understand why there was a reasonable demand for a Jewish state at the time of the creation of Israel. I understand the need of Jews, as an ethnicity, to demand a place they could call their own and feel safe residing in."

It's irrelevant to the point I'm making anyway. Regardless of what you think of TYT, Jill Stein or their political beliefs it's a dumb criticism to say she shouldn't be on the show. To condemn Jill Stein for appearing on the show you would have to condemn a wide range of very notable and respected politicians and public figures.

[Melech 9,900]

25 minutes ago, Bebe said:

Ehh, I mean it's a harsh critique on religion in general but:

"I understand why there was a reasonable demand for a Jewish state at the time of the creation of Israel. I understand the need of Jews, as an ethnicity, to demand a place they could call their own and feel safe residing in."

It's irrelevant to the point I'm making anyway. Regardless of what you think of TYT, Jill Stein or their political beliefs it's a dumb criticism to say she shouldn't be on the show. To condemn Jill Stein for appearing on the show you would have to condemn a wide range of very notable and respected politicians and public figures.

I don't condemn her, I'm just saying that the show is a mess. (fits to her TBH). Nevertheless she has every right to promote her. The two party system in the USA needs to get rid of. 

Jill is a very questionable politician, though who isn't in this years election in the US?  

[Bebe 17,289]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

I don't condemn her, I'm just saying that the show is a mess. (fits to her TBH). Nevertheless she has every right to promote her. The two party system in the USA needs to get rid of. 

Jill is a very questionable politician, though who isn't in this years election in the US?  

I know you're not condemning her for appearing on TYT  KleinGa is.

Jill is highly questionable, especially in the way she courts conspiracy theorists like 9/11 truthers. 

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9 hours ago, Bebe said:

It's not like she can go on CNN for a town hall... They wouldn't let her on stage.
 

CNN hosted a town hall with Jill and her running mate back at the first of August. 

[Bebe 17,289]

6 hours ago, Whispering said:

CNN hosted a town hall with Jill and her running mate back at the first of August. 

Yeah, that's true my mistake

I was sort of meaning more so now though. She isn't included in the debates, she hasn't had much coverage. There is nothing wrong with her choosing to go on a platform like TYT to address potential voters directly and answer their questions.

[LibraLove 1,282]

8 hours ago, Bebe said:

I know you're not condemning her for appearing on TYT  KleinGa is.

Jill is highly questionable, especially in the way she courts conspiracy theorists like 9/11 truthers. 

Jill does not court conspiracy theorists. There are actually a lot of holes in the 9/11 Commission that many many many family members, children and widows of victims of the attack are not pleased with. So, what would be the problem with bringing that back and actually getting down to the answers, none of which were answered by the Bush 9/11 commission.

Are you going to say that you can actually trust a half-baked commission assembled and put into place to review it all by the same government/administration that lied to us, the American people, about WMDs in Iraq and Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden being in Afghanistan which led to two ten year+ wars, thousands of American deaths and around a million Iraqi deaths when they both have been proven untrue? Yes, Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, but it and Osama were based out of Pakistan.

[LibraLove 1,282]

18 hours ago, GrigioBoys said:

2 party system makes more sense. A winner should have to get over 50% of the votes casted. If you have a 4 party system, you will have someone get 34%, another get 30%, another get 26% and another get 10%... 34% of the population should not be able to pick. 

Only nine percent of the voting eligible population in the U.S. voted for Clinton and Trump. How does that seem fair to you that so few people (the Democratic Party and Republicans explicitly try to block Independents, the largest voting block in the country that equals more than those two combined, from participating. If they had been allowed, Bernie Sanders would be the Democratic nominee and handing Trump's ass to him and ushering in a super majority in Congress.) got to pick who represents the rest of the country? It's not fair and it always leads to two terrible people leading the parties that nobody likes, like today. That's why so many Independents and Millennials are fleeing for third parties.

[LibraLove 1,282]

11 hours ago, KleinGa said:

Her town hall was aired on CNN honey but no one cared about her... and they still don't ... why? 

Also, a person who appears on conspiracy today (aka TYT) should not even think of being in the White House.... so again... bye Jill 

TYT is not a conspiracy theory show. It's an alternative news site. Bernie Sanders appeared on there, does he lose credibility? No. They have an extraordinarily large audience online composed of people primarily between the ages of 18-35 that dwarfs what the other news outlets have and they reach millions of viewers every day. It's a great platform to reach the voters, like me, who lifted Senator Sander's campaign to the heights it got to before being blocked.

Cable news shows have given her and Ajamu Baraka a few (not as many as Libertarians Gary Johnson and Bill Weld) town-halls, but most of the time they have planted "questioners" to either belittle her cause (like asking if she has chance or feel bad if she "elects" Trump), try to make her look crazy (9/11 "truther" or debunked ant-vaccine stance), or just down right tries to demean her on live TV (like Stossel's town-hall on Fox Business which had my blood boiling but she did fantastic cutting through that BS), because they know that she is a threat that if heard, could pull a significant portion of the liberal Democratic base away from Hillary.

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17 hours ago, Bebe said:

 At the moment in the U.S you don't need to get over 50% of the votes casted to win. You just need a majority. In the current system someone with 34% of the votes could win.... You don't need over 50% of the votes, you just need to have more votes than anyone else.

Your problem is not with multiple candidates, your problem is with the FPTP voting method that the U.S currently has - it's got nothing to do with 3rd parties.

What you would want is Instant runoff preferential voting, likely with 4+ parties running. It would be the most effective method of deciding who the majority prefer as president. 

You need 270 electoral votes. That is half

[Bebe 17,289]

5 minutes ago, GrigioBoys said:

You need 270 electoral votes. That is half

Ehh sure, but I mean that's from the  Electoral College who generally pick from the popular vote. But once again, your issue doesn't seem to be with 4+ candidates, your problem is with the voting method that the U.S currently has

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2 hours ago, Bebe said:

Yeah, that's true my mistake

I was sort of meaning more so now though. She isn't included in the debates, she hasn't had much coverage. There is nothing wrong with her choosing to go on a platform like TYT to address potential voters directly and answer their questions.

I agree, nothing wrong with her taking all opportunities afforded to her.

I'm glad we don't have candidates with low support in the general election debates, though. I want to hear discussion and debate between the candidates who have a chance to be president. 

I watched the town halls on CNN with Stein and also the one with Johnson and neither impressed me. Steins running mate hurts the ticket and Johnson's should be the one at the top of the ticket. 

[Bebe 17,289]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

I agree, nothing wrong with her taking all opportunities afforded to her.

I'm glad we don't have candidates with low support in the general election debates, though. I want to hear discussion and debate between the candidates who have a chance to be president. 

I watched the town halls on CNN with Stein and also the one with Johnson and neither impressed me. Steins running mate hurts the ticket and Johnson's should be the one at the top of the ticket. 

But it's very hard to have a chance to be president when you are not included in debates. It's basically impossible for any candidate outside of the Democratic and Republican parties to garner any significant media attention.

Ideally it would be nice to see more representation, and it would be nice to see some of these candidates (who still have pretty significant support) play some role in the conversation. 

At the very least they could add a couple more debates so that the first couple have some other candidates. It's hard to get votes when nobody knows your policy ideas and hardly know your positions.

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Just now, Bebe said:

But it's very hard to have a chance to be president when you are not included in debates. It's basically impossible for any candidate outside of the Democratic and Republican parties to garner any significant media attention.

Ideally it would be nice to see more representation, and it would be nice to see some of these candidates (who still have pretty significant support) play some role in the conversation. 

At the very least they could add a couple more debates so that the first couple have some other candidates. It's hard to get votes when nobody knows your policy ideas and hardly know your positions.

Candidates have to get attention and support before that point. Others have done so, but these two other options this election cycle weren't good options, or they would have caught on more. 

You never know, maybe the GOP will split apart and there will be three...maybe four...more viable parties one day. Until then, these other parties would have more of a chance if their candidates were more appealing overall to voters.