Gaga singing 'Angel Down' tonight!

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7 hours ago, Fay said:

Not an argument

Yes I agree that asking for LGBTQ rights is a political movement but the song Born This Way was dedicated to gay people in general and not a certain political movement. I support the LGBTQ movement but if they had a movement that acted like BLM, I would be against that group but not gay rights. What im trying to say is me being against BLM does not equal me being against black people as BLM is a political movement with an ideology. Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X had two extremely different political movements at the same time and were against each other yet they were fighting for the same issue.

I never said there was anything wrong with black lives! did you mean Black Lives Matter? if yes then read my response to "BlaqJezus"

BLM is about black lives. There shouldn't be anyone on the planet who doesn't realize the reality of where the black community has been placed in history. Any radical doesn't represent them. Just like any radical white person doesn't represent all white people. Not that white people are responsible for anything in our society..

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14 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

BLM is about black lives. There shouldn't be anyone on the planet who doesn't realize the reality of where the black community has been placed in history. Any radical doesn't represent them. Just like any radical white person doesn't represent all white people. Not that white people are responsible for anything in our society..

BLM does not hold a monopoly on black lives.. many black people spoke out against BLM.. Yes individuals do not represent the movement but the majority do act really bad as I described.. The co founders and leaders of BLM are the ones who attacked bernie and his supporters and gained huge support from BLM members and it was their strategy ever since to act this way.. they also have an ideology that believes in cultural appropriation and that no black people can be racist.

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And the problem is that when certain people in the black community speak out, they are deemed a hate group. I have yet to see white folks take responsibility for the oppression of practically every minority, religion other than Christianity, marijuana, etc. All of a sudden people now care that some group of people aren't being responsible with their message?

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2 hours ago, Himeros26 said:

1. it is impossible to be racist to white people because white people have never been oppressed as an entire race (No, Irish slaves are not an entire race that was oppressed)

2. Within the BLM movement yes there are many ignorant people that use it to express biased prejudiced however the actual meaning of the movement is so much more and is anything BUT being hateful. You have no idea what people of color feel because you have most likely lived a life in which you don't have to fear wearing a hoodie. 

3. The issue is that Gaga outright said she wrote this song about BLM and Trayvon and people are STILL whitewashing it and trying to make it about themselves (Pulse), ("everything,")

4. Some people hate cops because most cops are bullies and want you to lack any knowledge of yours rights so they can get away with whatever they want. Cops racially profile, and kill so many innocent lives due to this. Please educate yourself on the issues and do something about it. This is not something you just brush off.

 

1. Please stop with that messed up reasoning. 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

Racism is NOT exclusive to one race, Black People are only the current largest group that is experiencing it.

Justifying "Eye for an Eye" behavior, and saying it's okay because of ancestry is absolutely devastating. It's understandable if your only experiences with white people has been negative. But is it okay? Not if you wish for racism to stop. This goes both ways.

 

2. And what do you think justifying hating cops will do?

Yes, there's a *beep* ton of sadistic cops, but there's at the same time almost no filter for what kind of people can get the job. 

Again, i can understand it. It must be absolutely hell to live like that, see the country putting it under the rug. But the right approach is NOT violence. 

Somehow people have gone back to kindergarten stage, do we solve violence between the kids to be solved with more of it?

 

3. Rule one about Art in general, is that the viewer's opinion holds just as much value, as the artist who made the Art. Gaga might have told her explanation. She also said Perfect Illusion was about becoming free from Social illusions, did the majority of people think that? No. To them, the lyrics reflected something completely different. 

 

4. Not gonna respond to this, it's conflicting with previous statements of not judging groups because of certain people in them.

 

 

Overall, i agree that there is one hell of a problem with discrimination against Black People in America. But the same can be said about the approach the Movements are making to the problem. 

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6 minutes ago, Swando said:

 

1. Please stop with that messed up reasoning. 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

Racism is NOT exclusive to one race, Black People are only the current largest group that is experiencing it.

Justifying "Eye for an Eye" behavior, and saying it's okay because of ancestry is absolutely devastating. It's understandable if your only experiences with white people has been negative. But is it okay? Not if you wish for racism to stop. This goes both ways.

 

2. And what do you think justifying hating cops will do?

Yes, there's a *beep* ton of sadistic cops, but there's at the same time almost no filter for what kind of people can get the job. 

Again, i can understand it. It must be absolutely hell to live like that, see the country putting it under the rug. But the right approach is NOT violence. 

Somehow people have gone back to kindergarten stage, do we solve violence between the kids to be solved with more of it?

 

3. Rule one about Art in general, is that the viewer's opinion holds just as much value, as the artist who made the Art. Gaga might have told her explanation. She also said Perfect Illusion was about becoming free from Social illusions, did the majority of people think that? No. To them, the lyrics reflected something completely different. 

 

4. Not gonna respond to this, it's conflicting with previous statements of not judging groups because of certain people in them.

 

 

Overall, i agree that there is one hell of a problem with discrimination against Black People in America. But the same can be said about the approach the Movements are making to the problem. 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

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21 minutes ago, Himeros26 said:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

The fact that you replied with nothing but an article having done the research for you, goes to show the state of modern society. But okay, i'll bite.

 

At no point am i trying to say black people are making a big deal out of nothing. In fact, i realise and understand it's a huge problem. But what i'm saying is the approaches the movements are making, is like hitting yourself with a bat. They will only create more separation, even if their intention is the opposite.

The article writer is right, there is no such thing as "reverse racism". 

In fact, there is just Racism. It's a universal thing which is currently seen very clearly on the racial relations in America.

 

I do find it laughable that none of the explanations on "black people can't be racist". Really deals with that the very definiton of Racism as a word, is NOT what people suddenly try to stuff down people's throats as fact. That is a personal bending of the word people have begun to use. 

Again, what is happening against the black people in America, IS racism. 

But don't try to take it further and say black people are allowed to do more than white people. Cause then you just did the definiton of racism. 

And don't try to make it a topic of "justice". Cause then the racism will never stop.

 

 

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isnt she singing the whole album

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18 hours ago, Fay said:

What? Why does dhe have a song dedicated to BLM?

Because she cares about black lives. Because she is troubled about what she sees and hears from those who are impacted and concerned about racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality. Because she supports reform in the criminal justice system. 

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1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Because she cares about black lives. Because she is troubled about what she sees and hears from those who are impacted and concerned about racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality. Because she supports reform in the criminal justice system. 

You can support all that but still not support BLM.. BLM does not hold a monopoly on these issues.

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3 hours ago, ZacharyMark said:

And the problem is that when certain people in the black community speak out, they are deemed a hate group. I have yet to see white folks take responsibility for the oppression of practically every minority, religion other than Christianity, marijuana, etc. All of a sudden people now care that some group of people aren't being responsible with their message?

You can speak out but dont act like an asshole.. people respect MLK for example and many black activist. Its a hate group not because they are speaking out, its a hate group because of their actions. Im also not white but white people do take responsibility for what they did in the past more than any other race in the world and history.

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2 hours ago, Swando said:

The fact that you replied with nothing but an article having done the research for you, goes to show the state of modern society. But okay, i'll bite.

 

At no point am i trying to say black people are making a big deal out of nothing. In fact, i realise and understand it's a huge problem. But what i'm saying is the approaches the movements are making, is like hitting yourself with a bat. They will only create more separation, even if their intention is the opposite.

The article writer is right, there is no such thing as "reverse racism". 

In fact, there is just Racism. It's a universal thing which is currently seen very clearly on the racial relations in America.

 

I do find it laughable that none of the explanations on "black people can't be racist". Really deals with that the very definiton of Racism as a word, is NOT what people suddenly try to stuff down people's throats as fact. That is a personal bending of the word people have begun to use. 

Again, what is happening against the black people in America, IS racism. 

But don't try to take it further and say black people are allowed to do more than white people. Cause then you just did the definiton of racism. 

And don't try to make it a topic of "justice". Cause then the racism will never stop.

 

 

Racism is based on systemic oppression.

Have white people ever been systemically oppressed? No. I'm not saying minorities cannot be prejudiced or biased but they cannot (by definition) be RACIST to white people

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2 minutes ago, Fay said:

You can support all that but still not support BLM.. BLM does not hold a monopoly on these issues.

Black Lives Matter has become an umbrella term for anyone of any group of people that are standing up for or supporting these important issues and problems in the US. The overwhelming majority of people supporting this movement by speaking out or marching have never been to an official meeting of any organization, nor do they know about the specifics of a single organization. It has become a movement that has grown far outside of a singular organization. 

No one ever said it holds some type of monopoly, except for you in this thread. 

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1 minute ago, Fay said:

You can speak out but dont act like an asshole.. people respect MLK for example and many black activist. Its a hate group not because they are speaking out, its a hate group because of their actions. Im also not white but white people do take responsibility for what they did in the past more than any other race in the world and history.

I'm not an asshole. Thank you. It's not a hate group. I can't imagine there are millions of BLM causing hate in the country right now. I have yet to see people try to abolish the KKK like they are with BLM. Sure, there are people who take BLM in the wrong direction, but when you focus on purely the small percentage of negativity, you are the problem. If you are made about some slogan instead of the actions of officers in this country, then that is the problem. And no, white folks haven't taken responsibility for the oppression and confusion that they've done in the past 100 years alone. I have yet to see equality represented like in my examples given. The way this country works today is because of the mishandling of people and issues in our past. There is no excuse and no way out of that besides fixing it.

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6 hours ago, Himeros26 said:

1. it is impossible to be racist to white people because white people have never been oppressed as an entire race (No, Irish slaves are not an entire race that was oppressed)

2. Within the BLM movement yes there are many ignorant people that use it to express biased prejudiced however the actual meaning of the movement is so much more and is anything BUT being hateful. You have no idea what people of color feel because you have most likely lived a life in which you don't have to fear wearing a hoodie. 

3. The issue is that Gaga outright said she wrote this song about BLM and Trayvon and people are STILL whitewashing it and trying to make it about themselves (Pulse), ("everything,")

4. Some people hate cops because most cops are bullies and want you to lack any knowledge of yours rights so they can get away with whatever they want. Cops racially profile, and kill so many innocent lives due to this. Please educate yourself on the issues and do something about it. This is not something you just brush off.

1. this is the problem with collectivism.. it does not matter as a group, it matters what happens to individuals. If you look at it on the individual level, many white people suffer from racism.

2. Just because you suffer from racism, doesnt mean you can act this way.. people are judging their actions, not their feelings. BLM founders act really bad and are supported by their members so almost all of them act ignorantly. The thing with ideologies is this, when you put yourself in a box, you can wrap that box in a fancy golden wrap paper and stick a big red bow on it and make it look beautiful but there is always going to be toxic **** seeping out from under the box. You can tell everyone you have nothing to do with this toxic **** and that may be true but the fact remains that the toxic **** is spewing from the box you put yourself in

3. Im not white, im a Arab Muslim. Judging by the way you speak, it seems like you have the same ideology of BLM so no surprise you see nothing wrong with them.
 

7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Black Lives Matter has become an umbrella term for anyone of any group of people that are standing up for or supporting these important issues and problems in the US. The overwhelming majority of people supporting this movement by speaking out or marching have never been to an official meeting of any organization, nor do they know about the specifics of a single organization. It has become a movement that has grown far outside of a singular organization. 

No one ever said it holds some type of monopoly, except for you in this thread. 

Yes there has been official founders of the movement that march, give speeches and attack people and they are all praised by their members and people.. it doesnt matter if its official or not, the fact is most of the people who join this group are toxic. You act like them so im not expecting you to understand any of this.

The thing with ideologies is this, when you put yourself in a box, you can wrap that box in a fancy golden wrap paper and stick a big red bow on it and make it look beautiful but there is always going to be toxic **** seeping out from under the box. You can tell everyone you have nothing to do with this toxic **** and that may be true but the fact remains that the toxic **** is spewing from the box you put yourself in
 

6 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

I'm not an asshole. Thank you. It's not a hate group. I can't imagine there are millions of BLM causing hate in the country right now. I have yet to see people try to abolish the KKK like they are with BLM. Sure, there are people who take BLM in the wrong direction, but when you focus on purely the small percentage of negativity, you are the problem. If you are made about some slogan instead of the actions of officers in this country, then that is the problem. And no, white folks haven't taken responsibility for the oppression and confusion that they've done in the past 100 years alone. I have yet to see equality represented like in my examples given. The way this country works today is because of the mishandling of people and issues in our past. There is no excuse and no way out of that besides fixing it.

I never called you an asshole, I said just because BLM feel oppressed, doesnt mean they can act like an asshole.

Why would anyone abolish the KKK? its not a real threat anymore and they can effect culture as everyone sees them as something evil. I am not focusing on the small percentage of negativity, I am focusing on their ideology and how most of them act and they are changing culture and the meaning of words and getting power in college campuses even kicking out teachers. I never complained about the slogan as I do support the term Black Lives Matter but I dont support their actions and I have always been against police as I am a Libertarian but I dont believe BLM is the way to help Black lives or fix the police system.

White people more than any race in the world have taken responsibility.. you want them to help Black people yes agree but the solutions you ask for has been done for decades yet black people are in the same place. There is many solutions that can help black people other than what BLM is asking for.

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2 minutes ago, Fay said:

1. this is the problem with collectivism.. it does not matter as a group, it matters what happens to individuals. If you look at it on the individual level, many white people suffer from racism.

2. Just because you suffer from racism, doesnt mean you can act this way.. people are judging their actions, not their feelings. BLM founders act really bad and are supported by their members so almost all of them act ignorantly. The thing with ideologies is this, when you put yourself in a box, you can wrap that box in a fancy golden wrap paper and stick a big red bow on it and make it look beautiful but there is always going to be toxic **** seeping out from under the box. You can tell everyone you have nothing to do with this toxic **** and that may be true but the fact remains that the toxic **** is spewing from the box you put yourself in

3. Im not white, im a Arab Muslim. Judging by the way you speak, it seems like you have the same ideology of BLM so no surprise you see nothing wrong with them.
 

Yes there has been official founders of the movement that march, give speeches and attack people and they are all praised by their members and people.. it doesnt matter if its official or not, the fact is most of the people who join this group are toxic. You act like them so im not expecting you to understand any of this.

The thing with ideologies is this, when you put yourself in a box, you can wrap that box in a fancy golden wrap paper and stick a big red bow on it and make it look beautiful but there is always going to be toxic **** seeping out from under the box. You can tell everyone you have nothing to do with this toxic **** and that may be true but the fact remains that the toxic **** is spewing from the box you put yourself in
 

I never called you an asshole, I said just because BLM feel oppressed, doesnt mean they can act like an asshole.

Why would anyone abolish the KKK? its not a real threat anymore and they can effect culture as everyone sees them as something evil. I am not focusing on the small percentage of negativity, I am focusing on their ideology and how most of them act and they are changing culture and the meaning of words and getting power in college campuses even kicking out teachers. I never complained about the slogan as I do support the term Black Lives Matter but I dont support their actions and I have always been against police as I am a Libertarian but I dont believe BLM is the way to help Black lives or fix the police system.

White people more than any race in the world have taken responsibility.. you want them to help Black people yes agree but the solutions you ask for has been done for decades yet black people are in the same place. There is many solutions that can help black people other than what BLM is asking for.

I'm not reading the rest because your first response proves you are choosing to continue being arrogant