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[DrewStevens 5,249]

4 minutes ago, Goosey said:

That's not why I support Trump, and Hillary also associates with those people. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have donated millions upon millions to the Clinton foundation  

So you just ignore the fact that he is using people for his political campaign who are openly anti LGBT and who are whiling to ban gay marriage. Ok... werk.

[Goosey 3,017]

Just now, DrewStevens said:

So you just ignore the fact that he is using people for his political campaign who are openly anti LGBT and who are whiling to ban gay marriage. Ok... werk.

They can't "ban" gay marriage. They can nominate a justice, maybe even two, but that won't sway SCOTUS on the issue. However, those nominations could sway SCOTUS on other more important issues.

[DrewStevens 5,249]

Just now, Goosey said:

They can't "ban" gay marriage. They can nominate a justice, maybe even two, but that won't sway SCOTUS on the issue. However, those nominations could sway SCOTUS on other more important issues.

But they are still against it. You just decide to ignore that Trump associates himself with a bunch of racists and homophobes. It's a fact and you just ignore it. You don't have to support Hillary because she is clearly not perfect but supporting Trump is clearly not a good thing.

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54 minutes ago, Fay said:

Well we could promote 3rd parties more and put them in debates and give people more variety.. also, corporations help these people to reach power.. also, didnt hilary do something to kick berie out?

We? You aren't a citizen and you don't have the right to vote. 

Bernie lost the poplular vote and the state vote. That's why he wasn't the nominee. 

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3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

We? You aren't a citizen and you don't have the right to vote. 

Bernie lost the poplular vote and the state vote. That's why he wasn't the nominee. 

The whole world can use the internet to effect peoples opinions and the elections so yes we all.. and America doesnt only belong to Americans, it belongs to everyone and does not have boarders because it controls us all and anything that happens there will effect us. Im also a LIbertarian so I dont believe in countries and boarders and being a patriot.

[PartySick 172,545]

1 minute ago, Fay said:

Progressives want more government and control on freedom of speech and many things like collage campuses and the internet and alot of them like to attack and accuse people or horrible things. I am not a ring wing or a leftist but I can agree with some right wing people from the new generation but progressives to me are insane and its getting worse.

I see where you're coming from in a way.

No sane person wants to control or revoke anyone's freedom of speech, some would just like others to understand that words, like actions, have consequences. If you spew hateful rhetoric, prepare to be treated like a hateful person. It's not censorship to ask someone to be considerate of others' feelings.There are some crazies out there that'd like to ban offensive words or something along those lines but it's hardly fair to generalize Liberals for, let's call them "SJWs", just like it isn't fair to judge conservatives for people like Trump or the GOP royalty.

The majority is silent, it's the fools that speak the loudest and that's true for any group.

There are some level headed people on the left that are open and willing to listen to opposing opinions without taking it as a personal attack or an infringement on their rights just like there's conservatives that aren't so rigid in their beliefs that they can't listen to anyone that disagrees with them without asking God to smite them for being a sinner or something 

The more government bit, that's really an opinion that each person has to hold for themselves. I like a larger government and more regulation myself. It helps to keep things moving as long as the citizens do their part to keep up the government. We've seen what happens when states and coorperations are left to their own devices and it's not exactly pretty and in most cases, it's the middle and lower class that gets stuck with the bill. Regulation helps to keep the ball moving in the direction that the majority who voted for the person(s) who put that regulation in place supports. That's another reason why this election is so important. Our government is standing still because our congress refuses to do their jobs, which garners them a single digit approval rating, yet no voters try to change a damn thing. That's how democracies always fall. The people get lazy, they stop caring, the government gets out of hand, then someone steps into power and they refuse to leave.

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5 minutes ago, Goosey said:

They can't "ban" gay marriage. They can nominate a justice, maybe even two, but that won't sway SCOTUS on the issue. However, those nominations could sway SCOTUS on other more important issues.

Thet can pass laws that discriminate against all minorities, including those who are LGBT. Yes, two or three new justices could change the direction of the country for decades. 

[Goosey 3,017]

2 minutes ago, DrewStevens said:

But they are still against it. You just decide to ignore that Trump associates himself with a bunch of racists and homophobes. It's a fact and you just ignore it. You don't have to support Hillary because she is clearly not perfect but supporting Trump is clearly not a good thing.

Hillary does too, just behind the scenes. And not supporting Trump means worse will get into office (Clintons). Trump wasn't my first pick, he was picked by Republican primary voters.

 

Just now, Whispering said:

We? You aren't a citizen and you don't have the right to vote. 

Uh, he can still promote and caucus.

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1 minute ago, Fay said:

The whole world can use the internet to effect peoples opinions and the elections so yes we all.. and America doesnt only belong to Americans, it belongs to everyone and does not have boarders because it controls us all and anything that happens there will effect us. Im also a LIbertarian so I dont believe in countries and boarders and being a patriot.

You aren't a registered libertarian in the US, because you aren't a citizen. You can go on and on about the election, but you aren't going to be voting in it. 

The US does have borders and guidelines that state you have to be a citizen to vote. They don't care what you "believe". 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

4 minutes ago, Goosey said:

Hillary does too, just behind the scenes. And not supporting Trump means worse will get into office (Clintons). Trump wasn't my first pick, he was picked by Republican primary voters.

 

Uh, he can still promote and caucus.

"X does the same thing" is an idiotic argument to defend yourself for supporting someone like Trump. That's like saying you support ISIS because the Western world has affected the Middle East. 

[Goosey 3,017]

Just now, DrewStevens said:

"X does the same thing" is a idiotic argument to defend yourself for supporting someone like Trump. That's like saying you support ISIS because the Western world has affected the Middle East. 

And comparing Trump to ISIS is a false analogy  how do you defend supporting Hillary? "Trump is worse?" Hm.

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11 minutes ago, DrewStevens said:

But they are still against it. You just decide to ignore that Trump associates himself with a bunch of racists and homophobes. It's a fact and you just ignore it. You don't have to support Hillary because she is clearly not perfect but supporting Trump is clearly not a good thing.

Haven't you noticed that those who support Trump are the ones who have had racist, homophobic and misogynistic opinions here? Coincidence? 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

3 minutes ago, Goosey said:

And comparing Trump to ISIS is a false analogy  how do you defend supporting Hillary? "Trump is worse?" Hm.

I didn't compare Trump to ISIS. I put your hypocrisy in a different perspective. You clearly don't even understand how anologies work.

And I'm not even defending Hillary. Am I?

[PartySick 172,545]

9 minutes ago, Goosey said:

They can't "ban" gay marriage. They can nominate a justice, maybe even two, but that won't sway SCOTUS on the issue. However, those nominations could sway SCOTUS on other more important issues.

I'd rather not take that risk honestly. We all know Hillary's past and how she governs when in office. She always reaches across the aisle and makes compromise to get things done rather than being pigheaded, stomping her feet, and having a virtual standstill on whatever legislative floor she's standing on. She'll elect moderates to the SCOTUS. At the very most, they'll be slightly left leaning and none of them, none of them, will oppose the 2nd amendment. That's an absurd concern to have at this point. There's no need to worry about your American brothers' and sisters' gun rights. Trust me. They're fine

However, the fight for equality on the LGBT front (as well as women, blacks, hispanics, and now, sadly, Muslims) are still on going and uphill battles in the face of such rabid oppression. In that regard, Hillary is the only sane choice

Just now, Whispering said:

You aren't a registered libertarian in the US, because you aren't a citizen. You can go on and on about the election, but you aren't going to be voting in it. 

The US does have borders and guidelines that state you have to be a citizen to vote. They don't care what you "believe". 

He still has a right to state his opinion though  regardless of the "borders" idea, he's not wrong that who we elect as president will have an effect worldwide. Besides, I'm actually interested in what he's saying

 

1 minute ago, Goosey said:

how do you defend supporting Hillary?

She has concise plans to combat climate change while still keeping our energy sector alive and well! She also has 40+ years of experience and has worked closely with not one, but three presidents. If anyone knows what it takes to be commander in chief, it's her! We also face a (dying) threat in the form of ISIS and her service as Secretary of State is an invaluable resource in that fight

Spoiler

Oh, and Trump is worse

That's just a few reasons though  I think I'd actually still be supporting her even if she wasn't against Trump.

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7 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I see where you're coming from in a way.

No sane person wants to control or revoke anyone's freedom of speech, some would just like others to understand that words, like actions, have consequences. If you spew hateful rhetoric, prepare to be treated like a hateful person. It's not censorship to ask someone to be considerate of others' feelings.There are some crazies out there that'd like to ban offensive words or something along those lines but it's hardly fair to generalize Liberals for, let's call them "SJWs", just like it isn't fair to judge conservatives for people like Trump or the GOP royalty.

The majority is silent, it's the fools that speak the loudest and that's true for any group.

There are some level headed people on the left that are open and willing to listen to opposing opinions without taking it as a personal attack or an infringement on their rights just like there's conservatives that aren't so rigid in their beliefs that they can't listen to anyone that disagrees with them without asking God to smite them for being a sinner or something 

The more government bit, that's really an opinion that each person has to hold for themselves. I like a larger government and more regulation myself. It helps to keep things moving as long as the citizens do their part to keep up the government. We've seen what happens when states and coorperations are left to their own devices and it's not exactly pretty and in most cases, it's the middle and lower class that gets stuck with the bill. Regulation helps to keep the ball moving in the direction that the majority who voted for the person(s) who put that regulation in place supports. That's another reason why this election is so important. Our government is standing still because our congress refuses to do their jobs, which garners them a single digit approval rating, yet no voters try to change a damn thing. That's how democracies always fall. The people get lazy, they stop caring, the government gets out of hand, then someone steps into power and they refuse to leave.

Most liberals want to censor free speech and thats why sites like youtube and twitter and removing anything offensive and that comes from the left.. you also see it in collage campuses, Black Lives Matters, Feminists and the Media so its a big problem even if its not the majority, its effect is big specially that government want to support them because they hand government more control. Yes its not the majority but thats where the left is heading while the right is heading towards classic liberty and libertarianism.
 

3 minutes ago, Whispering said:

You aren't a registered libertarian in the US, because you aren't a citizen. You can go on and on about the election, but you aren't going to be voting in it. 

The US does have borders and guidelines that state you have to be a citizen to vote. They don't care what you "believe". 

I never said I was registered as a Libertarian nor did I say I was a citizen.. I also know that the US have boarders, im just explaining to you why I care about America as it effects my life dramatically because America is the biggest government that ever existed that it entered all countries and control it thats what I men with it doesnt have boarders.