Kesha performs to empty arena in Shanghai

[SarahYuko 1,002]

On 09/10/2016 at 2:00 AM, Fay said:

I never complained that I got backlash for saying Kesha voice is horrible, I just replied to people who attacked me. Everyone on this site say extremely horrible things to other celebrities like Katy Perry and Madonna that I would never even say yet they are praised for saying these comments so I thought saying a simple comment about keshas voice is no big deal but I guess not, they tried to make me a rape supporter and told me to kill myself! maybe I always try to defend myself unlike other memebers who just ignore comments like this but I am not trying to stir things up. Its always the same 5 members that try to attack me everywhere because they personally do not like me even if I give a comment that is not negative, they try to mock me yet you dont have a problem with them. And no saying I support rapists and should kill myself is not the same amount of hate as saying I dont like Keshas voice and yes I should expect backlash but not that kind of backlash.

I wont be nicer or more empathetic because I was never rude unless someone is rude to me, I just give my opinion and people start attacking me.. are you saying I shouldnt give my opinion and hide it because im in a site that is mostly progressive liberals? I always give my opinion in a respectful way. Usually I get into these kind of debates in political threads which is how its meant to be so if you dont like that people talk this way, only check Gaga threads.

What does Libertarian have to do with being frank, unapologetic and right no matter what? Libertarian is a political party that is concerned with morality and has nothing to do with the way I handle my arguments. I also never claim that I am right, I always present an argument and allow myself to be challenged yet nobody seem to be interested in that and want to attack me instead. If you feel like I always win my arguments and you are annoyed by that, dont project that on me. Being a Libertarian can mean anything as Libertarian does not have an ideology just like Atheism does not hold any ideology and it seems like you are more annoyed by my ideology rather than my comments. Thats like if I mocked the way you act because you are feminist Liberal!

1. You say you're not rude because you don't understand why we think it's rude. You didn't just say you don't like her voice, read the comment again. Many of us would consider your original comment as rude, and we consider the same for all rude comments towards anyone else. I disagree with the manner in which you post it, not with you sharing your opinion which you have every right to. It was not respectful or something you would have said to her face, and people like myself are irritated by seeing such comments from you or anyone else. It's not personal from my side. But here I just happen to talk to you specifically. People are accusing you of things you say you aren't because you come off that way. That's no one's fault but your choice of manners of responses. And god forbid, if you had been a little nicer, you might have avoided that drama.

2. You may not mean to be rude but you come off very strongly and I think a more careful choice of words will help your points come across better. Words can have negative vibes that can attract backlash, like the kinds you used in the original comment.

3. I never said being a Libertarian has anything to do with being frank or whatever and I couldn't care any less about that ideology. It's just that you always say it! I simply listed the qualities of yourself you so often mention or prove in your numerous replies. I actually feel that often in arguments, you're fighting a losing battle not because your points are irrelevent (which they aren't mostly) but again, because of the way you decribe them. I feel you can never truly win any argument or educate anyone with your self-righteous and unapologetic attitude because people don't listen to people they don't like. And you care so little about that, yet you always, always reply so much and attempt to justify everything you say. It creates endless arguments about the most random things and it's exhausting to read in any thread, gaga-related and otherwise.

4. I understand that political threads call for debates, and I have read plenty of them. I can tell a good difference between being open and being self-righteous. Considering all the backlash you've received, you ought to consider whether your approach and word choices are putting people off, because they are. You can't make a point across, or make an argument educational with a mindset that says, "I'm nicer than you, I'm respectful if I say so even if many people are put off or offended, I refuse to be any more polite or empathetic." It helps no one. It educates no one. Especially not you.

I do not agree with the way many people replied to you, but in this specific thread, it could have been avoided if you had just been a little nicer in your original comment. And if you insist that that's just about as nice as you get, then I'm afraid you'll always receive backlash.

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22 minutes ago, SarahYuko said:

1. You say you're not rude because you don't understand why we think it's rude. You didn't just say you don't like her voice, read the comment again. Many of us would consider your original comment as rude, and we consider the same for all rude comments towards anyone else. I disagree with the manner in which you post it, not with you sharing your opinion which you have every right to. It was not respectful or something you would have said to her face, and people like myself are irritated by seeing such comments from you or anyone else. It's not personal from my side. But here I just happen to talk to you specifically. People are accusing you of things you say you aren't because you come off that way. That's no one's fault but your choice of manners of responses. And god forbid, if you had been a little nicer, you might have avoided that drama.

2. You may not mean to be rude but you come off very strongly and I think a more careful choice of words will help your points come across better. Words can have negative vibes that can attract backlash, like the kinds you used in the original comment.

3. I never said being a Libertarian has anything to do with being frank or whatever and I couldn't care any less about that ideology. It's just that you always say it! I simply listed the qualities of yourself you so often mention or prove in your numerous replies. I actually feel that often in arguments, you're fighting a losing battle not because your points are irrelevent (which they aren't mostly) but again, because of the way you decribe them. I feel you can never truly win any argument or educate anyone with your self-righteous and unapologetic attitude because people don't listen to people they don't like. And you care so little about that, yet you always, always reply so much and attempt to justify everything you say. It creates endless arguments about the most random things and it's exhausting to read in any thread, gaga-related and otherwise.

4. I understand that political threads call for debates, and I have read plenty of them. I can tell a good difference between being open and being self-righteous. Considering all the backlash you've received, you ought to consider whether your approach and word choices are putting people off, because they are. You can't make a point across, or make an argument educational with a mindset that says, "I'm nicer than you, I'm respectful if I say so even if many people are put off or offended, I refuse to be any more polite or empathetic." It helps no one. It educates no one. Especially not you.

I do not agree with the way many people replied to you, but in this specific thread, it could have been avoided if you had just been a little nicer in your original comment. And if you insist that that's just about as nice as you get, then I'm afraid you'll always receive backlash.

1. I could be nicer but honestly I did not think it was a big deal or rude because this whole site is extremely rude to all artists including Gaga and nobody ever has a problem with that. How can you say that im being accused of supporting a rapist because I come off that way? yes I could have avoided the drama and yes I was wrong in the way I handled this but I was extremely annoyed by the replies I got and then people supporting and linking these replies that accused me of supporting a rapist and when I attacked them, people have a problem with me and not them.

3. Thats true but I only act this way when people dont know how to have an argument and think they can win an argument by insulting me and thats when I get self-righteous and unapologetic and sometimes defensive. Also, I only mention the Libertarian thing alot because people always like to accuse me of being a Trump supporter or a republican when my views and political beliefs goes against that.

4. Thats true and maybe im wrong but I do not act this way when people act normally.. here is a long debate I just had yesterday with respectful people and I did not act this way. Someone tried to mock me and stir up things with me so I just ignored them but I usually wouldnt ignore them.

 

[Ronk 14,762]

I have been communicating with two people who attended Kesha's concert in Shanghai.  The venue had a lot more people than is shown in that photo.  It was actually about half full, which is not bad for a western artist.  Western artist charge more for tickets than most Chinese can afford.  Also, most Chinese don't speak English and they prefer Chinese artists.  Only huge artists like Gaga, Madonna, or Taylor would be able to fill such a venue.   So Kesha did pretty well there, not like that article says.