Lets Be Honest: Perfect Illusion is a Letdown

[Zorrotek 285]

 I don't think PI is the problem, maybe you guys don't just like the genre and expected a pop edm jam. If that's the case, no matter how good the song is, you'll still find something to hate/get annoyed with. But I respect your opinion tho. Coz I felt the same during c2c era.   

[donutellha 13,819]

I just think the production is odd, but everything Gaga could have done, she NAILED.

[Sense8 182]

It´s my first post and i totally agree so....Let´s Be Honest!

Some people can´t stand the fact that Perfect Illusion IS NOT "Bad Romance",and reached only #15

 

 

 

[SKANK 14,288]

9 minutes ago, Zorrotek said:

 I don't think PI is the problem, maybe you guys don't just like the genre and expected a pop edm jam. If that's the case, no matter how good the song is, you'll still find something to hate/get annoyed with. But I respect your opinion tho. Coz I felt the same during c2c era.   

 

Rolling Stone called Perfect Illusion Disco-Trash, in a complimentary way. Perfect Illusion was produced in part by Bloodpop, an EMD artist. Perfect Illusion is still very much a dance/pop song, it just happens to have rock influences.

The idea that Perfect Illusion is a some huge genre swing for her isn't really true.

 

 

[Slayer 9,227]

18 hours ago, SISTERV said:

 

1. Perfect Illusion is not single worthy. I understand trying to bring something new to the table, but it must be forward thinking and boundary pushing. (Ahem The Fame/Monster). This sounds exactly like what it is: a pop star looking to maintain relevance by ironically not being able to admit what they're creating is not relevant. You can't force that. No matter how many times you hit the repeat button. 

 

Opinions aside, you're simply not right about this. She is not trying to remain relevant. I think that's evident by the fact that she hasn't performed the song once and spends more time in supermarkets than promoting her new song. She REALLY doesn't care how it performs and she is making zero effort to remain in the public eye.

[WORLDofGAGA 2,274]

I do like PI but it was the first of her singles that took me the longest to get into, the structure is just so different, looking forward to hearing Joanne and to connect with it. I do love Gaga and her hard hitting beat singles

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

19 hours ago, SISTERV said:

I've been a fan since the days of pounding out Poker Face and Starstruck on Project Playlist in 2008, to the impossible sophomore hype of The Fame Monster (even non singles) being played like The Pop Bible in every gay club in 2010, to the semi disturbing yet exhilarating culture like obsession of Gaga during the Born This Way era, the eventual collapsing of her tour, the somewhat arrogant and lower quality aesthetic of ARTPOP and it's driving fan pandering sound losing steam....through the hopeful silver lining that was C2C....all the way to the wait this month that was the beginning of Gaga's pre-media-dubbed "comeback era". I've been here for a long time. I'm here now, and albeit interested in Joanne, extremely underwhelmed with Perfect Illusion. Why? Here's a list:

5. The song is so over the top, it literally becomes annoying. It doesn't build. Even it's surprising key change doesn't help it build, but only keeps beating your ears. We get it....you're passionate Gaga. But you used to be able to transform that passion into less obvious, and more clever ways. 

4. It can't decide if it wants to make you Dance or beat someone. And NOT in a mosh pit sort of essence. It's trying to be a pop song with its layout, sitting over a hard-hitting four count beat, introduced by a weird alt electronic shrill, pushed forward by guitar and drums, while still managing to offer Springsteen vocals over a kind of Pat Benetar vibe. And when it tries to throw back into a disco undertone in its breakdown, it leaves you more lost. This song is all over the place. 

3. Lyrically it is not Gaga's most clever work. It reminds me of ARTPOP, a cool sounding concept that is never really delved into in the actual lyrical content. When will Gaga release a song where she doesn't have to explain it's meaning in an interview? Bring the depthy interesting interview talk into the song, not on Elvis Duran. 

2. It's no banger. And it's no great experiment either. I actually think Gaga is good at writing pop. It's when she tries to be deep and artistic and political that things get messy. Gaga's weirdness should come out naturally by trying to write great pop music again. Not trying to use pop to make her weird aesthetic popular. That didn't work on ARTPOP, and it's not working here either. 

1. Perfect Illusion is not single worthy. I understand trying to bring something new to the table, but it must be forward thinking and boundary pushing. (Ahem The Fame/Monster). This sounds exactly like what it is: a pop star looking to maintain relevance by ironically not being able to admit what they're creating is not relevant. You can't force that. No matter how many times you hit the repeat button. 

 

Last comment: I still have faith for single #2. I don't believe Joanne is over. I do believe that Perfect Illusion is a very annoying attempt at a comeback, and Gaga needs to start doing what she does best again: make a good POP record. 

Why are you here?

[LaLuna 12,732]

You know what's a letdown? This fanbase 

[Dawson 9,487]

The song has definitely been a letdown for me, but what I don't get is the most basic things like the mixing have been done to such a poor standard 

[ARTPOPSYCHOLOGY 6,270]

19 hours ago, SISTERV said:

Literally how every monster 2014 and on truly feels. 

Not me. I'm tired of everyone saying how they miss Gaga and how things were. The attention spans of people in 2016 are vastly different than when Gaga started. She changed the game. She influences almost every other pop artist to be more edgy, and in the last year showed she has more devotion to different types of music, acting, etc. I like the song. It isn't her best. And something tells me when everyone hears "A-YO" they're going to drag Gaga by saying she should've picked that as the lead. Most reviews liked PI. 

The second single is what's going to drive more interest. And no, she doesn't need to explain the meaning of the song. The only thing she needed to explain was that it's not about Taylor since people still can't grasp that she isn't the negative type to drag her former lover or other pop artists (hence the meaning of "Hey Girl"). I'm in utter disbelief that people are being as negative as they are when the work she's done at the Oscars (two years in a row), her tributes to Wonder, Sinatra, Bowie, national anthem, acting, have all changed the public perception of Gaga into a more positive light. And I think this album will really relate to people on a personal level and be among her most acclaimed. 

And for the record I feel like there's a stigma towards this fan base (which is extremely perpetuated by this forum) that Little Monsters fall within two archetypes

1.) The ultimate Stan who is considered "under Gagas spell" and would love everything she does even if it's her farting over a 3:20 loop.

2.) The "honest" fan who feels the need to claim they know every move Gaga should or will make. Who attempts to manage her and criticize when they have no idea what's happening behind closed doors of record label meetings. Who feels the need to cry when RedOne isn't on as many songs as they'd like and constantly compare everything, to her past work, while failing to realize the importance of personal, artistic and musical growth that is necessary for any healthy artist to thrive in today's industry.

Id like to introduce a third archetype:

A fan that supports Gaga and realizes the **** she's been through in the public eye and what we know of her personal life. Who broke her damn hip to put on an amazing show months after one of the most successful touring cycles of any artist. A fan that may or may not like what they hear or what they see, may be fearful but holds all negativity until the creative process is complete before passing judgment. Yeah - I'll stick with the third archetype.

Save these threads for October 22nd. Please and thanks. 

[Manul 7,377]

9 hours ago, Ma Ma Pa Pa Pa said:

Ad hominem attack blowing off my entire point because you don't like PI LOLOLOL

Yeah. I attacked you.

[Xardas 1,586]

I hope this topic won't be closed beacuse all the hateful comments such topics get. It's well justified and written. Without hate etc. Everyone has a right to express his/her opinion about anything. I agree wholeheartedly and hope that PI is the weakest on Joanne and this album will serve us a good music!

[LePetitGAGABLover 21,234]

I dont think the song itself is a letdown. More like the era so far in terms of fashion, promo, music video, etc. Pi is an amazing song imo

[Creyk 17,805]

1 hour ago, TheCountess said:

You know what's a letdown? This fanbase 

Why? Because when she serves a bad song we don't cheer? You are so unreasonable. It is completely natural to have higher expectations than PI from the woman who once served perfection like Heavy Metal Lover and Bloody Mary. Specially for the lead single after a 3 year wait. PI just doesn't cut it.

If it did, it wouldn't be doing as horribly as it does. But even beside that, her remaining 800 loyal fans force themselves to like it and even then, they don't really. It's simply a bad song. Why can't you admit it? That doesn't mean you don't love Gaga anymore. Everybody makes mistakes, and releasing this song was a huge mistake. We should move on with her releasing the second single ASAP and just forget this ever happened.

[Adakam 2]

3 minutes ago, Creyk said:

Why? Because when she serves a bad song we don't cheer? You are so unreasonable. It is completely natural to have higher expectations than PI from the woman who once served perfection like Heavy Metal Lover and Bloody Mary. Specially for the lead single after a 3 year wait. PI just doesn't cut it.

If it did, it wouldn't be doing as horribly as it does. But even beside that, her remaining 800 loyal fans force themselves to like it and even then, they don't really. It's simply a bad song. Why can't you admit it? That doesn't mean you don't love Gaga anymore. Everybody makes mistakes, and releasing this song was a huge mistake. We should move on with her releasing the second single ASAP and just forget this ever happened.

Thats where I have a problem with people like you, not because you hate it it means that your opinion is a fact and that everyone should be the same, wth is wrong with you? 

If I like it, because it actually fits the style of music I like, if I enjoy singing and dancing to it, if it makes me feel so refreshed to the point where FOR ME, IN MY OPINION irs the best song shes ever put out, then who the F U C K are you to say that people are pretending to like it or that we are wrong, get over yourself, go see a damn therapist to fix your stupid superiority complex and then join a community because you clearly dont know what that means