Lextyr97 19,953 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Gaga of Time said: That word is so misused these days You say "Think objectively" and then give a subjective opinion. Lmfao true. But still, if you look at what both have accomplished, they are pretty close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino 12 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Michael is so much more iconic Madonna may be more talented, consistently popular, mentally stable, business savvy, boundary pushing, and in more creative control of her career than Michael but he's on another level of iconic It's like how Beyonce hasn't had a hit single since last decade yet somehow is more memorable than the other pop girls of the 2010s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Themysciran said: Just because you don't like the song doesn't mean it's bad, you're a bit delusional. Madonna did more than music, she acted (very poorly and unsuccessfully, might I add). Honey, just because it's topical music doesn't stop it from being music. Unsuccessfully? ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowcrest 2,487 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, KURUSHITOVSKA said: Unsuccessfully? Gaga has one she doesn't deserve too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Themysciran said: Gaga has one she doesn't deserve too Subjective opinion ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivington Rebel 359 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 23 minutes ago, shoful said: MADONNA IS MORE ICONIC THAN THIS WORLD. When she dies the gates of Hell will burst open and claim unworthy souls who have yet to worship the ground she walked on. I will hopefully be placed beside her holy throne. Hows the Dita costume going? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Themysciran said: I don't think it's played down because she's a woman, I think it's played down because she is getting increasingly desperate for attention and it's ruining her reputation. Even with the ridiculous child molestation case, Michael's music is still widely played and recognized to this day. Madonna has no-one to blame but herself. Well I tried to leave my personal opinions about it all out and remain as objective as possible, but I'm not a fan of much of her recent work. As in her last three albums, or so. But I do respect it actually. I like that she's challenging the expectations of what is "acceptable" for women of a certain age. People have called her desperate for trying to shock and unnerve people for her entire career, which is why I brought up the fact that she's a woman. She's always been criticised for a lot of things that I don't think men would've ever got it as hard for. I don't think it's far-fetched at all to consider how much sexism has plagued Madonna throughout her career, just as it has for virtually every female singer. Madonna's music is widely played and recognised as well, wouldn't you say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoful 13,304 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Themysciran said: no bias though? Hahaha. I was joking. But from a nonbias stand point. Theyre defintely both very iconic in their own ways. I don't think they should be compared at all. They became famous for completely different reasons and what they stood for was completely different. Their fambases were completely different. I think Madonna is more iconic because of the uncountable amount of risks she took in her career and how life changing she actually was. She kind of changed everything about the way women should act and dress. Also I think people like to lessen Madonna's success because not many approve of her current act of acting like when she was young but being 60. Which I find very rude. Who are the general public to tell how a person should act! "My name is Dita, I'll be your Mistress tonight..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowcrest 2,487 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, KURUSHITOVSKA said: Subjective opinion Not really subjective, watch AHS Hotel, and then watch Fargo and tell me with a straight face that Gaga deserved that award over Kirsten Dunst. It's just not realistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Harry said: I don't see why this is a "mess", though? Madonna is one of the most successful artists of all time, and so is Michael. They are both widely considered to be the Queen and King of pop, respectively. She pushed boundaries for gender and sexuality in a similar way that Michael pushed boundaries for racial equality (imo). Both have had unfathomably global success that few artists ever had. She's out performed him in certain aspects commercially - for example she has considerably more top ten hits than him. Not to mention their peaks were both at similar times. Not saying she is indisputably more iconic than him but I think that comparing them is very interesting and actually makes a lot of sense? I just realise how awfully written all of this is... pls ignore my mistakes I am very tired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,794 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Themysciran said: Gaga has one she doesn't deserve too So just because you think it wasn't deserved.. that means it was unsuccessful? Just stop trying to deny her success. It is there, it's a fact. Thinking otherwise is delusional. Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Themysciran said: Not really subjective, watch AHS Hotel, and then watch Fargo and tell me with a straight face that Gaga deserved that award over Kirsten Dunst. It's just not realistic Who cares? Madonna was really acclaimed by it. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowcrest 2,487 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Just now, Bellatrix said: So just because you think it wasn't deserved.. that means it was unsuccessful? Just stop trying to deny her success. It is there, it's a fact. Thinking otherwise is delusional. I mean I say enough without you putting words in my mouth, thank you. Sure it was successful, but it wasn't earned by any means. I like Madonna, i'm not denying her success, I will however deny that she's more iconic than Michael Jackson. It's just a fact whether you agree with it or not. We'll see where MJ's music is in 20 years in comparison with Madonna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharamon 6,839 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 quality over quantity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,794 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Themysciran said: I mean I say enough without you putting words in my mouth, thank you. Sure it was successful, but it wasn't earned by any means. I like Madonna, i'm not denying her success, I will however deny that she's more iconic than Michael Jackson. It's just a fact whether you agree with it or not. We'll see where MJ's music is in 20 years in comparison with Madonna You literally just said "unsuccessfully" though Lose control. Let go and fall. Do you get the satisfaction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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