What does Gaga have left to prove?

[giskardsb 12,565]

so many fans in this thread projecting their own desires for Gaga on Gaga herself, which is why @Bebe had to re-iterate so many times "but what does Gaga herself feel she has to prove."

The answer is that only Gaga herself knows what her goals are at this point.   I don't think she gives a rats ass about being the "IT" pop girl.  She's respected widely musically by her peers, I don't think she really cares about stan-base arguments about  imaginary thrones.  From a musical standpoint, I think all she probably cares about is expressing herself as she wishes at any given time.   And that is awesome from my standpoint, because it means she will explore more musically rather than trying to compete for the top of a superficial, commercial, and largely insipid industry.

I imagine that her goals now lie in proving herself as an actress and probably as a stage performer.  Music will always be part of her of course, but her future in music doesn't likely like on the trajectory that pop stans would like, because Gaga has many other avenues of expression to explore.  Being able to be creative and focus on creative endeavors is way more important to her than commercial success, that seems obvious.  And with 250 mil in the bank, who can blame her.  I'd love to have a bankroll that would allow that kind of freedom.  IMO Gaga's career at this point is wide open.

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[Born To Slay 10,996]

13 hours ago, Nino said:

Longevity isn't the same as success. The majority of Britney Spears's hits and record sales came from a span of time just as short as the TF/M eras and Britney's an icon of the industry. GaGa could release 50 flop albums and she would still be one of the most commercially successful artists ever.

Britney sent her lead single from her fifth album to the top 3 on the hot 100 and that was about 8 years into her career. 

[Nino 12]

5 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

Britney sent her lead single from her fifth album to the top 3 on the hot 100 and that was about 8 years into her career. 

If she wasn't on the cover of every tabloid across the US it wouldn't have gone so far.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

5 minutes ago, Nino said:

If she wasn't on the cover of every tabloid across the US it wouldn't have gone so far.

She wouldn't have been on every cover if she wasn't relevant 

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[Ronk 14,762]

40 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

so many fans in this thread projecting their own desires for Gaga on Gaga herself, which is why @Bebe had to re-iterate so many times "but what does Gaga herself feel she has to prove."

The answer is that only Gaga herself knows what her goals are at this point.   I don't think she gives a rats ass about being the "IT" pop girl.  She's respected widely musically by her peers, I don't think she really cares about stan-base arguments about  imaginary thrones.  From a musical standpoint, I think all she probably cares about is expressing herself as she wishes at any given time.   And that is awesome from my standpoint, because it means she will explore more musically rather than trying to compete for the top of a superficial, commercial, and largely insipid industry.

I imagine that her goals now lie in proving herself as an actress and probably as a stage performer.  Music will always be part of her of course, but her future in music doesn't likely like on the trajectory that pop stans would like, because Gaga has many other avenues of expression to explore.  Being able to be creative and focus on creative endeavors is way more important to her than commercial success, that seems obvious.  And with 250 mil in the bank, who can blame her.  I'd love to have a bankroll that would allow that kind of freedom.  IMO Gaga's career at this point is wide open.

This.  Only Gaga can decide if she has anything left to prove.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

7 minutes ago, Beto said:

@Born To Slay thank u for my first like ever

You're welcome, it's my pleasure 

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

Legends also work with irrelevant people so it's not that they choose to work with the most successful ones. MNEK and Natalia Kills were on Rebel Heart so you can be irrelevant and forgotten but you can still work with legends. I mean, Gaga has accomplished A LOT during these 8 years, and she can accomplish more. Bowie wasnt that successful. Prince wasnt. Madonna had several iconic hits until the Vogue era and then it stopped until Ray of Light. When Gaga came out, they all said it was just a trend. That was 8 years ago. and in only 8 years she has already accomplished things that many artists have never accomplished in 40. Cher is a legend and she has never had massive worldwide success. Beyonce is considered now a legend and she has 4 iconic songs thag everyone knows they're hers. We shouldn't stop caring because nowadays music doesnt sell and selling won't make you a legend. What does make yoy legendary now? Youtube views? Streams on a viral song? The tours? We consider Madonna, Prince, Elton, Cher, Bowie, Michael, Mariah, Britney, Whitney legends because they sold a certain amount of records or made something really iconic (because not all of those had 638264 #1s) but that happened when people actually were buying music. So, if you want Gaga to be called legend, buy her albums. The Fame sold A LOT because there wasnt streaming services at the time, so you all know what you have to do. If people dont buy music, and selling millions and millions is what makes you a legend, why would she bother to keep proving that she can be legendary? Friendly reminder that Like a Virgin was a massive hit worldwide from a 2nd album, Madonna only toured the US with that album and it wasnt until 4 years after her debut that she started a worldwide tour. Gaga toured the whole world for 2 years with the Monster Ball with a debut and a half album, starting only one year after her debut album was released. Gaga is already legendary, because there are 1 Hit Wonders that are considered low ley legends, and she is not and wont be a 1 Hit Wonder.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

She just LOST the passion, the drive + the magic, watching how she doesnt give a flying **** about her music, art or whatever u wanna call it its painful and sad, it's like she's just doing Joanne because she had to, like giving birth to a child and leave it there alone to die, if the kid survives well, if the kid dies it's ok too, pretty sad

[freebit 6,240]

9 minutes ago, frankgutz said:

She just LOST the passion, the drive + the magic, watching how she doesnt give a flying **** about her music, art or whatever u wanna call it its painful and sad, it's like she's just doing Joanne because she had to, like giving birth to a child and leave it there alone to die, if the kid survives well, if the kid dies it's ok too, pretty sad

How can you not get passion from her interviews, especially when she talks about her aunt? She's doing what she wants, and y'all will have to deal.  If she was just phoning in Joanne, why did she specifically choose some of these producers like Mark to make this record instead pursuing the formula of RedOne? Why didn't she do something as cynical and lazy as doing tropical house and watered down R&B? Grab a feature with Calvin or some other boring producer that's inexplicably doing well on the charts? She's doing her own thing and putting it out there. If people bite they do, and if they don't, oh well. It's like you guys want her to have a Beyonce-level dominance, but she might actually be a Beck instead of a Bey. 

[Bebe 17,093]

12 minutes ago, frankgutz said:

She just LOST the passion, the drive + the magic, watching how she doesnt give a flying **** about her music, art or whatever u wanna call it its painful and sad, it's like she's just doing Joanne because she had to, like giving birth to a child and leave it there alone to die, if the kid survives well, if the kid dies it's ok too, pretty sad

I think she absolutely cares about her music and art. She spent so much time writing it, she is so excited to talk about it, she clearly loves her new music and is super excited. Maybe you just get that impression because she isn't going on some huge world wide promotion tour and performing her music all over T.V.

I wish she would, because I love seeing her perform, but I can't fault her for choosing not to promote like that this era. She has talked about how she wants and needs more balance in her life, how before she might miss her mother's birthday or missed some date with her father. She has also talked about how, during ARTPOP especially, she felt like she was being rushed and forced to become some money-making machine and she decided she didn't want to make money for other people. She has talked about how she hates putting music into the 'system' where it becomes all about numbers, spins and positions.

It takes a lot of work and a lot of time to schedule, rehearse and perform on all these different T.V shows. It's totally understandable from Gaga's position to slow down on the promotional side and just focus on writing music and living life.

The slowing down isn't a reflection of her no longer caring, it's probably a reaction to exactly what I am talking about, she has a fantastic career and can make whatever music she wants. She is in the position where she can just write whatever music she likes and relax a little.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

37 minutes ago, freebit said:

How can you not get passion from her interviews, especially when she talks about her aunt? She's doing what she wants, and y'all will have to deal.  If she was just phoning in Joanne, why did she specifically choose some of these producers like Mark to make this record instead pursuing the formula of RedOne? Why didn't she do something as cynical and lazy as doing tropical house and watered down R&B? Grab a feature with Calvin or some other boring producer that's inexplicably doing well on the charts? She's doing her own thing and putting it out there. If people bite they do, and if they don't, oh well. It's like you guys want her to have a Beyonce-level dominance, but she might actually be a Beck instead of a Bey. 

but im not even complaining about the music or producers or chart, i stan artist like Massive Attack, Bjork or Esthero and some of my others fave doesnt even chart  

 

25 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I think she absolutely cares about her music and art. She spent so much time writing it, she is so excited to talk about it, she clearly loves her new music and is super excited. Maybe you just get that impression because she isn't going on some huge world wide promotion tour and performing her music all over T.V.

I wish she would, because I love seeing her perform, but I can't fault her for choosing not to promote like that this era. She has talked about how she wants and needs more balance in her life, how before she might miss her mother's birthday or missed some date with her father. She has also talked about how, during ARTPOP especially, she felt like she was being rushed and forced to become some money-making machine and she decided she didn't want to make money for other people. She has talked about how she hates putting music into the 'system' where it becomes all about numbers, spins and positions.

It takes a lot of work and a lot of time to schedule, rehearse and perform on all these different T.V shows. It's totally understandable from Gaga's position to slow down on the promotional side and just focus on writing music and living life.

The slowing down isn't a reflection of her no longer caring, it's probably a reaction to exactly what I am talking about, she has a fantastic career and can make whatever music she wants. She is in the position where she can just write whatever music she likes and relax a little.

that's why i said it seems like she doesn''t even care, if you see my meltdowns i never said anything about chart/succes, fashion, or that i hated the new direction music/video. I actually loved PI and the video, and that makes it even more harder to accept that lack of prescence, indeed it doesnt even feel like a real era.

To me it's just her losing everything, she was excited for a comeback, she was working with Eltohn, Diane, RedOne, she was ready to live a new journey and suddenly, it's like she lost everything, the inspiration, the passion she use to had (oh God, even in the ARTPOP era i remember how she was excited & how she try to fought for the record), now it seems like she just finished the album because she had to deliver it.

What i always were more excited about was the music/performances & interviews, and now she doesn't do anything, she barely went to a few radios to say the same and that was all, it feels like the blackout we had between Applause/DWUW/G.U.Y. and what happened? nothing... we didn't had videos, performances, interviews.. nothing

[Bebe 17,093]

9 minutes ago, frankgutz said:

that's why i said it seems like she doesn''t even care, if you see my meltdowns i never said anything about chart/succes, fashion, or that i hated the new direction music/video. I actually loved PI and the video, and that makes it even more harder to accept that lack of prescence, indeed it doesnt even feel like a real era.

To me it's just her losing everything, she was excited for a comeback, she was working with Eltohn, Diane, RedOne, she was ready to live a new journey and suddenly, it's like she lost everything, the inspiration, the passion she use to had (oh God, even in the ARTPOP era i remember how she was excited & how she try to fought for the record), now it seems like she just finished the album because she had to deliver it.

What i always were more excited about was the music/performances & interviews, and now she doesn't do anything, she barely went to a few radios to say the same and that was all, it feels like the blackout we had between Applause/DWUW/G.U.Y. and what happened? nothing... we didn't had videos, performances, interviews.. nothing

But I do think she cares, she has talked about what a great record this is, she has talked about how this is so personal. I don't think the lack of performances is a reflection on a lack of passion or inspiration, I think she is as passionate and inspired as ever, I think it's a reflection of where she is.

I don't think she feels like she needs to have a heavy, busy, whirlwind schedule with performances on every spot available. I don't think she feels the need to promote her songs heavily so that people will by her song. I think she is happy just writing music she loves, releasing it and spending the rest of her time with her family and pursuing other creative projects that interest her and challenge her.

I feel you on the lack of performances, I'd love a T.V performance of PI, I just don't think it's fair to say she is not longer passionate about her music. I just don't think she is interested in some giant promotional campaign so that people can buy her music and make it chart. I think she just wants to make music she loves, release music she loves, tour her new material and spend her energy and time on projects like A Star Is Born or The SuperBowl or on her tour or new album with Tony.

She has talked about feeling overworked during ARTPOP and BTW. She has talked about how she felt like she was just being used to make other people money. I think she is tired of the promotion side of things, I think she is tired of being used as a vehicle to make other people money. That's not to say she isn't passionate about her new music, I think she loves her new music and is super connected to it, it's just to say she doesn't want to be overworked and doesn't want her career to consume her entire life.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

@Bebe the thing is that she went from a huge/heavy campaing to zero, im lowkey glad for the new music but everything is so boring and a lot of fans are getting really dissapointed about it,

At the end of the day what's the point of doing this if you're gonna lose all the ppl who always were excited to hear you and see your art, an empty gallery is always a sad thing, sure there's your art, feelings and the passion u had making it, but if you dont make any effort to bring people and share what u did, what's the point then?

Most of indie/alt people are dying to be heard, to have a spotlight to share the passion she had on stage, that freedom, the rage, the creativity, the love, and it feels like she's just dead inside,with Joanne, just dropping what she did just for the sake of healling herself and let it be...  ironically she said she wanted to live the things her aunt couldn't but i dont see her even trying to share that message besides some random tweets & snapchats, and i saw those interviews about her trying to find a balance, the problem is like i said she went to the other extreme of doing apparently nothing, i really wasnt expecting a BTW type of promo, but certainly i also wasn't expecting this passive attitude towards PI, especially since she worked so hard the last 2 years to clean her image.

And certainly, if wouldnt liked PI i wouldn't care about all of this, i guess that's why im pressedT af, 'cuz i loved it and i was expecting something like this, and when it happened, she just snubbed the song and hadnt the same treatment as everything she has done, call it: C2C (her side jazz project), AHS, That magazine project where she made several covers, AP, etc...