Redoing albums because of poor lead singles?

[Brian Ryan 1,468]

Four Five Seconds and Bitch Better Have My Money didn't flop. Rihanna came out with an album with Russian Roulette. She's unafraid. The album shifting gears and she doesn't denounce these songs like other artist... she still performs them and so on. Work came through and a great way #1 for weeks on many outlets. Just because they changed gears does not mean Gaga has too. Unless, she thinks the album is going to be different and a better representation. The album is out next month. Not happening.

[FATCAT 60,078]

12 hours ago, Blackout19 said:

Hmm, I still think that Gaga was not for PI. I still think that the song with RedOne was much better for a first single.

You haven't even heard it.

[Benji 20,113]

I really don't see the difference between scrapping an album as any different than the multiple albums Gaga has of material that she has no plan on releasing. Also, people need to stop pretending that every singer / band wants to make some grand statement. Some people simply want to entertain others, give them a nice song to dance and have fun to, if no one likes what you make and that was your goal well then you're bound to be upset and want to scrap it.

If no one made fun songs, the music industry would be boring.

[misunderstood 8,736]

12 hours ago, Misaki said:

Gwen Stefani did it twice with Baby Don't Lie, and then Spark The Fire, and then she settled with Used To Love You.

Baby Don't Lie & Spark The Fire were for the same album tho. 

[LostSpark 579]

I'd rather listen to a better album than just be proud of the singer's courage and as a result being flopped. Both Focus and Four Five Seconds weren't good enough so Rihanna and Ariana scrapped them. They accepted their failure before it gets worse and I admire them. I think THIS is the real courage.

[StrawberryBlond 14,866]

Mariah Carey also did this (her Me I Am Mariah album was the eventual result of a campaign that originally started 2 years previously in 2012 and she just put out 5 separate singles to kickstart the album until she could officially take no more).

I hate it. I'm so glad Gaga's never done it. If you're prepared to throw away an album's worth of effort (which is, you know, your job to make) just because the first single didn't take off, then maybe you shouldn't be an artist. The fact is that art isn't always appreciated to the extent that the artist would like and when it's competitive art, not everyone's hard work can win. It sucks, but that's the risk you take by putting your work out there and choosing to be competitive with it. Thing is, the strategy so rarely works. The public's confused because they wonder what's the deal with this single that never resulted in anything, so if a new single comes along, they're unsure whether they should bother getting invested in it just in case it goes nowhere too. Also, the fans have already offloaded their biggest downloading support on the song that was supposed to be your lead single, so any follow-ups will be treated like follow-ups, meaning that their chance of being hits are slimmer. It disrespects the fans by fleecing them unnecessarily and taking advantage of their loyalty and desire to see you do well. This makes the fans annoyed and they get sick of waiting. The fans just want the album - give it to them. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that if a lead single utterly flops, your album will too, so don't even try to restart. At least give the fans the music they waited for and stop wasting people's time by playing a waiting game on them.

12 hours ago, Dangerous Man said:

No it's not? Especially for new acts like  Ariana. She's still establishing her career and she can't afford to  flop early. There's nothing wrong in trying to be as successful as much as you can. In fact, these artists need to be praised bc they scrapped an almost finished album and make an almost new one, it took them a lot of money, time and effort for sure. 

Praising them for it tells them that this kind of thing is acceptable, so they'll keep on doing it to you. I've long ago learned that if you give artists an inch, they'll take a mile. Buy their lead single despite it being terrible? They'll continue making bad singles. Blindly buy an album despite said lead single being terrible? They'll continue to make bad albums. Buy tickets to their tour despite the album it's supporting not being released yet? They'll continue to put out tickets pre-album to ensure that even if the music's terrible, they'll still pull in big bucks from touring. Tell an artist that you're nothing but a mindless sheep who accepts whatever choice they make and they'll treat you as such. And make no mistake - while re-recording will of course cost extra money, they'll be able to re-coup all of that if they make a GP-approved single and put out tour tickets before the album release. That's what Rihanna did.

12 hours ago, PaperIz said:

I think it's disgusting and commercially obsessed and honestly pathetic. If you can sacrifice your vision because the first single didn't take off, then why even be an artist? I lost so much respect for Ariana and Hillary Duff and I straight up turned in my fanart when Rihanna did it. It's deplorable 

While I don't agree with all your music preferences as I'm sure you know, I'm right on your side with this one. I actually think Anti's ok, her best album for a while, but the methods that she took to get there were unacceptable. If she was as badass as her fans claim she is, she wouldn't care about her commercial performance or what the critics thought, she'd just be like "here's the music I made, I love it, deal with it." We'll see if the Grammys give her any nominations for it but if they don't, at least it'll prove to her that releasing Grammy bait isn't always the way to do it. I think she was probably really annoyed that none of her original 3 singles resulted in any Grammy nominations. She must have been like: "I put Kanye and McCartney on a stripped back ballad, what more do they want?!" She's looking for Grammys with her new stuff, undoubtedly and she was ruffled when she didn't get it. Problem was, she had talked so passionately about this album a whole year before its eventual release. She said it was almost done and she was so proud of it. But then months pass with nothing, which suggested that she'd had to alter her vision. When we eventually got the album, yeah, it was her most risky stuff to date, but still, we'll never know what the album would have sounded like in its original conception. What message does it send about Rihanna as an artist if she can't stand by her artistic choices? This whole Anti album was supposed to make people respect her as a serious artist. It just did the opposite for me. It's like someone masquerading as an artist. If she really didn't care about commercial success, she wouldn't have re-worked her era with a single featuring Drake, someone who had proved to make hits for her in the past. I echo someone who said: "Yeah, Rih, make sure to come back with those commercial bops as soon as you're done pretending to be an artist."

[Runway 27,876]

Its funny bc none of the DW singles even out peaked Focus

[freedum 67]

whos Rhianna?

Spoiler

its *RIHANNA  . 

 

[Werk 13,166]

15 hours ago, PaperIz said:

I don't have receipts, but yeah it was the original lead for Moonlight which turned into DW.

 

 

 

I doubt the songs on DW (which was Moonlight) were really scrapped but just with a few added songs here and there and tweaks and image for the era reworked. 

[The Child 18,997]

I wonder why Britney never did this with Work Bitch or Make Me.

[Edonis 28,950]

16 hours ago, PaperIz said:

I think it's disgusting and commercially obsessed and honestly pathetic. If you can sacrifice your vision because the first single didn't take off, then why even be an artist? I lost so much respect for Ariana and Hillary Duff and I straight up turned in my fanart when Rihanna did it. It's deplorable 

I thought Ariana did it because her previous manager wanted her to just do a rehash of Problem and ME rather than a new sound, etc. Hence why she split with him in the first place? 

As for Rihanna, a mess. 

[The Child 18,997]

3 hours ago, Benji said:

I really don't see the difference between scrapping an album as any different than the multiple albums Gaga has of material that she has no plan on releasing. Also, people need to stop pretending that every singer / band wants to make some grand statement. Some people simply want to entertain others, give them a nice song to dance and have fun to, if no one likes what you make and that was your goal well then you're bound to be upset and want to scrap it.

If no one made fun songs, the music industry would be boring.

Some people here forgot that Gaga started with those fun songs ala Just Dance, Poker Face, LoveGame & all.

2 hours ago, Runway said:

Its funny bc none of the DW singles even out peaked Focus

Focus was really hyped and expected as her "comeback", as something new when the GP understood it was a rehash of Problem, they let it flop. It's easy to trick the GP but when they realize they are being tricked they hate it.

[KleinGa 18,177]

Basically, the purpose of this post is to say that Gaga should scrap JOANNE because Perfect Illusion was a weak lead....

 

I C U

[Gagas love 722]

gagas chosen singles will always suck because she lets them tell her which ones go and dont go. so annoying. can she just release good singles? i have never seen an artist constantly release the worst singles they could release. I mean wth was GUY and DWUW all about? what a poor choice. and WTH why was alejandro releasd when so hapy i could die and Dance in the dark are legit?

[Gagas love 722]

i never expect gaga to release good singles lol. her best songs are always the ones left behind. i cant deal. why wasnt electric chapel a single??????  why the edge of friggin glory or you and i? ew. lololol