I hate Pop Music. But I love Gaga. Go Figure.

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

2 minutes ago, Britney Spears said:

Not really 

I agree. I think her most successful era was BTW, followed by TFM. 

 

10 minutes ago, Nino said:

GaGa is a POP singer. Let's not forget that her first(and most successful) era was literally about the art of selling out.

(i'm probably going to get serious backlash for saying this) - but honestly, The Fame is Gaga's most superficial, least meaningful album. I've never personally enjoyed it in comparison to her other albums. 

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

2 minutes ago, Chris Evans said:

omg I'm loving this music

what the music in the videos i posted?

[nativenewyorker 1,190]

I was a total indie rock kid before Gaga came along and now I appreciate pop music more than ever. There's something badass about being able to write good, relatable songs that are still infectious and catchy.

There's no shame in liking pop music. I love artists and songs from each and every genre. Pop is just a quick, simple, straight-to-the-point genre that definitely takes talent to write. 

[Nino 12]

17 minutes ago, wahkeenasitka said:

I don't disagree with you. But there is a difference in her SOUL and her creative spirit. Her heart. There is a vast reservoir of beauty, creativity, love and free-spiritedness in Gaga that has held my attention since the first moment. 

Other pop stars have a soul they just don't like to beat listeners over the head with it. Beyonce is arguably the most manufactured pop music staple of this century and she's still an incredible artist. You can hate on her trendiness and perfectly polished presentation but this is art. Her technical skill is amazing and her ability to convey emotion(the entire point of music) is admirable. 

This isn't the days of Elvis Presley where all you need to be a pop star is a pretty face and a wish to be molded into a star. These people are artists. Even the general public's punching bag, Britney Spears has a distinct sound no matter who she works with that would lead anybody with a working brain to infer she's making her own music. Whether you like her or not it legitimizes her as a master of her craft that millions of people enjoy what she makes.

Artists like Madonna were also literally friends with Andy Warhol. If you listened to anything GaGa ever said you'd know that ART and POP aren't mutually exclusive. Stay bitter that the artists you listen to can't figure out how to express themselves in a way that's accessible or even likable to most I guess.

7 minutes ago, BrothaGaga said:

wasn't the fame about finding your inner sense of self and fame and confidence?

GaGa did it in a way that was very satirical towards the music industry. Always jumping for any product placement or flashy brand deal. It wasn't because she was desperate for money. We all know GaGa doesn't care about money. It was commentary. The Fame was about being famous and playing with the idea of selling out was always implicit in all her actions.

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[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

1 minute ago, Nino said:

Other pop stars have a soul they just don't like to beat listeners over the head with it. Beyonce is arguably the most manufactured pop music staple of this century and she's still an incredible artist. You can hate on her trendiness and perfectly polished presentation but this is art. Her technical skill is amazing and her ability to convey emotion(the entire point of music) is admirable. 

This isn't the days of Elvis Presley where all you need to be a pop star is a pretty face and a wish to be molded into a star. These people are artists. Even the general public's punching bag, Britney Spears has a distinct sound no matter who she works with that would lead anybody with a working brain to infer she's making her own music. Whether you like her or not that legitimizes her as a master of her craft that millions of people enjoy what she makes.

Artists like Madonna were also literally friends with Andy Warhol. If you listened to anything GaGa ever said you'd know that ART and POP aren't mutually exclusive. Stay bitter that the artists you listen to can't figure out how to express themselves in a way that's accessible or even likable to most I guess.

GaGa did it in a way that was very satirical towards the music industry. Always jumping for any product placement or flashy brand deal. It wasn't because she was desperate for money. We all know GaGa doesn't care about money. It was commentary. The Fame was about being famous and playing with the idea of selling out was always implicit in all her actions.

Yeah. I like Beyonce's latest album. It shows she is on a trajectory towards greater and greater self-expression and empowerment. Her earlier stuff is pretty basic pop music. Her latest album is wayyyyyy more soulful. I don't love and adore Beyonce the way many do - but she's the only other pop artist celebrity that I appreciate, because she is genuinely f*cking talented. 

I would have to completely disagree with you about Britney Spears being a master of her craft. That's laughable. 

Madonna is one of the best actual artists in the pop genre, at least during the 90s. She definitely has been a powerful creatrix and visionary force. 

I'm not bitter - and you obviously aren't getting it, and are super defensive. Whatever. 

Just because people DON'T WANT TO BE in the mainstream pop music industry does not make their music inaccessible. Actually, ALL of the artists whose videos I shared are ALL successful artists / performers who make their living as musicians / performers. They just do it the non-corporate way. Years of hard work and labor. Saving money. Indiegogo & Kickstarter campaigns. Giving their music away for free. Touring their asses off. Living hand to mouth. Until success comes. 

I think your final paragraph about the satire of The Fame is actually meaningful and on point. 

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11 minutes ago, wahkeenasitka said:

I agree. I think her most successful era was BTW, followed by TFM. 

That's not what I disagreed with..The Fame is not about "the art of selling out"

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I agree with you to some extend and I was always annoyed with the members that expressed the opinion that all Pop artists are the same and so you can't really like one and judge the others.

There are legendary Pop acts like Michael Jackson, Elvis Prisley, Abba, Madonna, Bowie, Cher etc., there are many quality Pop artists of the last two decades like Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Adele, Beyonce etc and there are many more low quality Pop stars of today (and the past) whose names I won't mention at this point. Today the industry has very low quality and you can find a quality act in Pop music in a 10% rate at the very best.

An opinion and someone's taste are always subjective but there is also a general objective truth...

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

5 minutes ago, Britney Spears said:

That's not what I disagreed with..The Fame is not about "the art of selling out"

did you see what @Nino wrote? I thought it was on point. 

13 minutes ago, Nino said:

GaGa did it in a way that was very satirical towards the music industry. Always jumping for any product placement or flashy brand deal. It wasn't because she was desperate for money. We all know GaGa doesn't care about money. It was commentary. The Fame was about being famous and playing with the idea of selling out was always implicit in all her actions.

 

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1 minute ago, wahkeenasitka said:

did you see what @Nino wrote? I thought it was on point. 

 

What Gaga said is that The Fame's concept is that Fame is on the inside (so it's about inner strength and confidence). Gaga said more than 200 times during the era that she was famous even when nobody knew her name.... The concept that Nino says that the album has is very far from what Gaga said.

[Nino 12]

1 minute ago, wahkeenasitka said:

Just because people DON'T WANT TO BE in the mainstream pop music industry does not make their music inaccessible. Actually, ALL of the artists whose videos I shared are ALL successful artists / performers who make their living as musicians / performers. They just do it the non-corporate way. Years of hard work and labor. Saving money. Indiegogo & Kickstarter campaigns. Giving their music away for free. Touring their asses off. Living hand to mouth. Until success comes.  

If you told any of them they could have hundreds of millions of dollars they would do anything including dumb themselves down a little bit. Let's not kid ourselves. Even people who aren't motivated by capital gains could see the opportunity to make some real change in the world with that kind of cash.

Sometime since the expressionist movement the less educated and more self important people in the art world decided that having an element of obscurantism in art of any medium is a substitute for technical merit or generally any appeal. It's an ignorant and immature attitude fueled by ego, not genuine appreciation. 

If these people don't make songs that people want to hear it's their fault. Not the people for having different taste. Anything on the contrary is like saying people should go to restaurants where the food isn't enjoyable because finding the highlights of the dining experience requires more effort.

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

4 minutes ago, Britney Spears said:

What Gaga said is that The Fame's concept is that Fame is on the inside (so it's about inner strength and confidence). Gaga said more than 200 times during the era that she was famous even when nobody knew her name.... The concept that Nino says that the album has is very far from what Gaga said.

well not surprising. most artists are most popular when they are brand new and breaking through. 

[wahkeenasitka 1,995]

Just now, Nino said:

If you told any of them they could have hundreds of millions of dollars they would do anything including dumb themselves down a little bit. Let's not kid ourselves. Even people who aren't motivated by capital gains could see the opportunity to make some real change in the world with that kind of cash.

Sometime since the expressionist movement the less educated and more self important people in the art world decided that having an element of obscurantism in art of any medium is a substitute for technical merit or generally any appeal. It's an ignorant and immature attitude fueled by ego, not genuine appreciation. 

If these people don't make songs that people want to hear it's their fault. Not the people for having different taste. Anything on the contrary is like saying people should go to restaurants where the food isn't enjoyable because finding the highlights of the dining experience requires more effort.

rolling my eyes a thousand times. 

[Nino 12]

6 minutes ago, Britney Spears said:

What Gaga said is that The Fame's concept is that Fame is on the inside (so it's about inner strength and confidence). Gaga said more than 200 times during the era that she was famous even when nobody knew her name.... The concept that Nino says that the album has is very far from what Gaga said.

GaGa expressed her inner fame by acting like the unholy lovechild of Madonna and Britney Spears. Is it really that hard to grasp even all these years later?  

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

2 minutes ago, wahkeenasitka said:

well not surprising. most artists are most popular when they are brand new and breaking through. 

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