ARTPOP era's downfall (rough timeline)

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 I feel so sad for Gaga, everyone is giving her the pressure to release the new album and stuff, we need to realise that she's a human as well, with her own traumas and conflicts and all that. As she said, she wanted to be happy, give her the time.  

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1 hour ago, ARTOMI said:

I feel like this is where everything went wrong with approaching the gp (it's not the full video). 

 

Maybe... nonetheless, I was a huge fan of Marina prior to this collab, so when it happened I freaked out because it was like the clash of my biggest idols. 

[ryanripley 86,575]

 now i understand

[prince 4,688]

I think this also shows how intelligent and how much drive she has, if you don't focus on how much hurt she went through but focus on what path she took after ARTPOP and going down a road of Jazz and acting. She didn't give up she just diverted where she wanted to go and now she seems to be in a more comfortable place musically and creatively, to sound cringey everything happens for a reason 

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Thank you for this amazing timeline and all the research you've put into it!

[crisTEAne 21,059]

this is why ARTPOPists' hearts are broken. we know all of this. well, it's one reconstructed narrative that i accept as valid. 

beyond sad but the most important thing is that it radiates her integrity—towards her artistry and her monsters.

thanks for sharing this so that more fans can understand the story behind ARTPOP. 

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6 hours ago, Infinity Wave said:

Why do fans continue to say it wass never filmed 

Even if the same R Hogben said that, I think it was just to calm monsters down, we have (and will never have) no real proofs that it was never filmed.

because it was NEVER filmed,   she only announced Ruth Hogben as the director, but few days later Interscope/Troy changed the single to DWUW, she was never seen with Ruth, or filming by that date and usually when she is/was filming videos people always knew about it, this time there was nothing 'cuz NEVER happened

We do have DWUW leaks but still no Venus? lmfao, since she loved that much that song she would probably had leak that video, plus, if you made an entire video for Venus, why do you still use it as meddley in the ARTPOP film when you can literally USE the video you spend money on it

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It all makes me sad about Gaga and her career and I share feelings with almost everyone in this thread, but I would also like to see a very special mention (I know the OP did) to Mr. Tony Bennett, the one who was there for Gaga when pretty much nobody was, yet he gets hate from 3/4 of the fanbase.

It's not even about "he made her win a Grammy, he saved her career", it's just that he was f*ckin' there.

[Galagala 4,611]

As a true little moster since 2014, now I finally realized why DWUW's musuc video  hasn't released.  😅

Thank u for organizing these things and clearly revealing those details💋💋

 

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Did u get a degree in ARTPOP era analysis 

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23 hours ago, Bradley Cooper said:

Song and music video aren't received well by GP or fans. People criticise her of trying too hard, being inauthentic, of the video being messy, of trying to achieve too much at once, etc. etc.

Incorrect. I have heard so much praise for G.U.Y., especially its video.

I've never heard anyone talk about G.U.Y. offline. And only ever heard it on the radio once! None of my non-Gaga-fan friends even knew of the song or it's release    The people who had seen it, didn't like the video.

23 hours ago, kabirartfling said:

This was so emotional and touching! Great indept about the whole era, i do feel selfish for wanting everything that was promised....great thread sis 

Also minor error that it was not nick knight but steven klein who worked on Venus 

Oh thank you! I don't know why I always confuse their names, they're so different :P  Edited.

23 hours ago, Misaki said:

Weird I thought G.U.Y.'s video was well received.

Plus I think you forgot the part where she asked her fans to vote for the second single then her label stepped in and picked DWUW.

Oh I guess some of us heard different things about the G.U.Y. video! Oh I forgot about that. Edited.

23 hours ago, neptugne said:

Apart from tumblr and gagadaily I haven't seen or heard one person even say "G.U.Y. by Lady Gaga"

Yeah that was my experience with the song and video too! Only a couple of people had seen it, and hated it  

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17 hours ago, ARTOMI said:

I feel like this is where everything went wrong with approaching the gp (it's not the full video). 

 

I agree. Although this video was the only reason i knew of her upcoming album, ARTPOP. And i thought, this is sooo weird.

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23 hours ago, Bradley Cooper said:

I'm more fortunate to have witnessed the praise then. They exist.

It seems like opinions on this are very varied! I guess I should say it received mixed feedback.

23 hours ago, frankgutz said:

friendly reminder: Venus video WAS NEVER filmed

URE WELCOME

Oh shoot. Edited. My memory on these events isn't 100%. Thanks.

23 hours ago, Gagaplayer315 said:

This made me so emotional, she had to see her ARTPOP fall apart as everyone left her 

It made me sad too. I can't imagine how she felt fighting on.

22 hours ago, PossiblyMaybe said:

Very well written, very well researched, and very well put together. I learned a couple of things out of this analysis that I would have never put together and realised. I especially love how you put the interview snippets in. The first video is heartbreaking, when she explains her "fall from grace" (for lack of a better phrase). Reading this made me further understand the delays for her next pop album. I understand why she doesn't want to return to music, but I think that she should do what she wants to do, even if it's a jazz album, a rock album (which I'm totally down for), or another acting role. I hope that many users on this website read this and stop begging for her next pop album. 

I was just a big fan during the time and followed all the news! This is just what I remember. I also watch every new itnerview I can. And all the ones from that time period just painted such a sad picture of her life and career. Sometimes it takes putting info from 3 interviews together to get an understanding of the big picture. I have a feeling she won't go full pop again. Not soon. She's been very disenchanted regarding pop music since then.

22 hours ago, Pierre said:

Excellent work, it kinda proves how improvisation didn't help the era with the single choices, the performances, the videos, the app, even the fashion, the booklet and the photoshoots. It will be interesting to see in some years if this break with Taylor changed the work she already finished for LG5 with RedOne months ago, the "new" LG5 with Ronson, jazz album. Some little things.

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Venus video was never filmed.

Troy left her, I think, november 2nd, one or two days before the youtube music awards, where she performed Dope.

G.U.Y. was well received, however, it didn't have any major impact on the mases.

 

 

Yeah it will be interesting to see which direction LG5 goes. We really have no idea! Thanks for the info.

22 hours ago, iCpro said:

I have the upmost respect for her for not letting this break her. She put up with so much **** during that year from everyone, her team, the media, the GP, even the fans. All she did was try to create music that she loved and could share with her fans but people still tore her down for it. She didn't deserve any of it. 

This is why C2C and Tony are so important to her. They reminded her what it was she loved about music, and without Tony or C2C we probably wouldn't even talking about another pop album from her. 

LG5 is gonna slay. No matter what.

Noone knows how hard it must have been for her except her! I can't imagine trying for so long and just having my work dragged through the mud over and over. Everyone is so harsh about Tony and her's friendship, and say that he ruined her. He saved her from quitting entirely. Without him, we wouldn't have had her. So they can accept her jazz vocals, because it's that or nothing.

20 hours ago, Infinity Wave said:

Why do fans continue to say it wass never filmed 

Even if the same R Hogben said that, I think it was just to calm monsters down, we have (and will never have) no real proofs that it was never filmed.

I guess we just aren't sure if it was ever filmed or not... I thought it was, but this is going off old info from way back then. I could've been wrong!

20 hours ago, Infinity Wave said:

@Helxig thanks for this! Everyone should read this to revalue the ARTPOP era from the beginning, and understand how much effort Gaga put in everything she did during that era, and how much she suffered. 

I agree. I'm always so sad about the way the fans view the era. The blame they put on her. The really harsh things they say about the album and her decisions. If only people knew a little more, and tried to understand her struggles.

20 hours ago, jinko said:

I admire the effort that has been put into this (as it is very informative, especially for the newer fans) but I really think we should all let go of whatever has happened with ARTPOP. It was a mess, a kii, and a cackle, and no one really can know what has happened to its plans except for Gaga and Interscope. All we can do now is at least accept the album was a decent pop effort, and look forward to the probably still non-existent LG5.

I did let it go though. I just kept seeing so much criticism towards her and the album that it got the gears turning in the old memory and I started realising just how much she went through during that time period, and thought it deserved to be put in one place together in this thread   But I agree, it's time for everyone to move on now. It's been over 3 years since the era started. That's longer than anyone should hold a grudge.

19 hours ago, TheLucifer said:

I remember putting all these things together as they were released and I felt so sad and kind of scared for her. She spoke about leaving music, about being destroyed by 'the machine' (also check out Crevettes Films) even about dying, and people asked her about her coffin, gravestones and dying in space, A LOT! Which gave me MJ vibes.

But we all need to remember that she mastered the art of Fame, she studied it for years before even becoming a star. She won't give us shaved head Britney moment when she fails... She knows the price of Fame, the amount of people following her every move and trying to manipulate her decisions. (once again the Crevettes Films and her speech before Judas during the BTW Ball)

But nowadays I am really confused where she is going with her thoughts. She seems happy and that makes me happy too, but I can't put together things like breaking up with Taylor, performing at three massive events, preparing/scraping album(s), driving cars, being silent, announcing yet not announcing anything,.... really confusing and suddenly we don't know if she's happy/satisfied or not.

I remember being really concerned too   she kept saying things in interviews about wanting to quit pop music and retiring from the commercial market, and it seemed like things just kept going wrong. Watching it happen slowly over the course of a couple years was hard. I remember the talk of death and people appreciating her after she's gone. That in combination with Princess Die actually made me very worried. And when other fans didn't care, and continued to be critical of her, I just wanted to scream! (but then you print some sh-it that mAkes me wanna scream-uh)

I think the only thing that saved her was her understanding of fame culture, and the older celebs who had been around a long time who shared their own stories and held her up.

Her attitude has definitely changed. And I think a lot of that comes from her feeling really disenchanted with the music business and pop world, and even the world and human culture in general. I really just wanna meet her in person and ask how she is. One day. The new era will start soon anyway and we'll get lots of interviews and an insight into her mind!

19 hours ago, patsuwanagul said:

Thank you for writing this <3

No worries! I had to purge out all my thoughts anyway! 

18 hours ago, Rino said:

too much unnecessary drama in this thread 

Just ignore them. Some people are just sad and angry and wanna make other people feel the same way.

17 hours ago, ARTOMI said:

I feel like this is where everything went wrong with approaching the gp (it's not the full video). 

 

I see this as the point she decided that her own well being, and artistry, were more important than the general public and how they see her. The point where she decided to make a shift in her artistic direction, and made some big decisions about what kind of artist she wanted to be, whose opinions matter to her, and what matters to her in general. I think it was what she needed to be mentally healthy and stable tbh.

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17 hours ago, FameMonzter said:

 I feel so sad for Gaga, everyone is giving her the pressure to release the new album and stuff, we need to realise that she's a human as well, with her own traumas and conflicts and all that. As she said, she wanted to be happy, give her the time.  

Ever since the ARTPOP era, and just more and more as time goes by, I feel like her biggest haters are actually her fans. It doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. People refuse to acknowledge that she's a human being with a heart and soul, emotions and struggles. I just want her to be happy, even if it's at the sacrifice of the pop edm music we've all come to love. If she quit music altogether, or worse, died, because we couldn't accept her change in direction, I'd hate myself until I'd die.

16 hours ago, ryanripley said:

 now i understand

I'm glad I could put it together for you!

16 hours ago, princetomc said:

I think this also shows how intelligent and how much drive she has, if you don't focus on how much hurt she went through but focus on what path she took after ARTPOP and going down a road of Jazz and acting. She didn't give up she just diverted where she wanted to go and now she seems to be in a more comfortable place musically and creatively, to sound cringey everything happens for a reason 

I agree! She's always been very smart about what she does. She was able to rise above her struggles and do things that brought her happiness back, while still remaining in the public eye. Sort of a middle ground between living a life she'd grown to hate in the music industry, and quitting altogether. A very smart move. And it seems to have healed her a bit!

16 hours ago, donutellha said:

Thank you for this amazing timeline and all the research you've put into it!

It's no problem! And it's not so much research :P  I was just an active fan during the ARTPOP era and followed her closely across those years and saw it all play out. I had to purge all my thoughts out somewhere because when it all started coming back, I had to get it out of me!

15 hours ago, T E A said:

this is why ARTPOPists' hearts are broken. we know all of this. well, it's one reconstructed narrative that i accept as valid. 

beyond sad but the most important thing is that it radiates her integrity—towards her artistry and her monsters.

thanks for sharing this so that more fans can understand the story behind ARTPOP. 

Too true! She's worked really hard. It's time to start giving her credit where it's due! My heart was breaking for her during that era when she'd talk about how sad she was, how she wasn't enjoying music any more, and when she'd speak about dark topics like how she will be more appreciated after she dies. I'm just happy that she has found her own happiness again! Even if it's not through pop music.

14 hours ago, frankgutz said:

because it was NEVER filmed,   she only announced Ruth Hogben as the director, but few days later Interscope/Troy changed the single to DWUW, she was never seen with Ruth, or filming by that date and usually when she is/was filming videos people always knew about it, this time there was nothing 'cuz NEVER happened

We do have DWUW leaks but still no Venus? lmfao, since she loved that much that song she would probably had leak that video, plus, if you made an entire video for Venus, why do you still use it as meddley in the ARTPOP film when you can literally USE the video you spend money on it

I edited the thread.

13 hours ago, NightOwner said:

It all makes me sad about Gaga and her career and I share feelings with almost everyone in this thread, but I would also like to see a very special mention (I know the OP did) to Mr. Tony Bennett, the one who was there for Gaga when pretty much nobody was, yet he gets hate from 3/4 of the fanbase.

It's not even about "he made her win a Grammy, he saved her career", it's just that he was f*ckin' there.

As I've mentioned a few times here, I feel like without him we wouldn't have her at all. It makes me upset when everyone hates on him and talks about how he influenced her and changed her. He saved her from very destructive thoughts. He brought back her happiness and passion for music when she was ready to quit. We have her career from hereon out to thank him for in a way. He was a friend and fellow artist who, along with others like Elton and Cher and Mick etc, helped her through her darkness. 

13 hours ago, Galagala said:

As a true little moster since 2014, now I finally realized why DWUW's musuc video  hasn't released.  😅

Thank u for organizing these things and clearly revealing those details💋💋

 

It's no problem! I wanted to get it all out! Too many people blame her and call her a liar and promise breaker. It's just not true. Music careers are so intertwined with risky moves and legalities.

13 hours ago, Grant Gaga said:

Did u get a degree in ARTPOP era analysis 

LOL I was just there throughout that time period, watching interviews and reading threads on here, and gaining an understanding of things as they were happening at the time. I guess it was all still stored in my memory somewhere.

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Reading about ARTPOP's downfall again makes me feel emotional and somewhat inspired to do something. I just hope with LG5 Gaga is happy.