Muslims pray with Catholics over French priest's murder

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Muslims across France have attended Catholic Mass in a gesture of solidarity after the murder of a priest on Tuesday.

Fr Jacques Hamel was killed in his church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray near Rouen by two men who had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group.

France's Muslim council, the CFCM, urged Muslims to show "solidarity and compassion" over the murder.

"We are all Catholics of France," said Anouar Kbibech, the head of the CFCM.

Services were held in Rouen as well as in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral.

"We're very touched," the Archbishop of Rouen, Dominique Lebrun, told BFMTV.

"It's an important gesture of fraternity. They've told us, and I think they're sincere, that it's not Islam which killed Jacques Hamel."

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36936658

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This is very good on their behalf.

However, in essence, it WAS Islam that told those Muslims to murder that priest.

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1 hour ago, FATCAT said:

This is very good on their behalf.

However, in essence, it WAS Islam that told those Muslims to murder that priest.

Give me one verse in the Quran that tells Muslims to kill none Muslims

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Just now, faysalaaa1 said:

Give me one verse in the Quran that tells Muslims to kill none Muslims

Every religius scripture wether it's Christianity l, Islam or Judaism is vile

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3 minutes ago, Simon said:

Every religius scripture wether it's Christianity l, Islam or Judaism is vile

True, but none of them tell you to kill people from other religion.. in islam, it is allowed to marry christians so how is it allowed to kill them at the same time?

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5 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

True, but none of them tell you to kill people from other religion.. in islam, it is allowed to marry christians so how is it allowed to kill them at the same time?

Religious scriptures are often contraries. 

Lets see some vile verses on other religions:

2:89 “When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers."

3:151 “We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”

5:51 “O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers."

9:123  “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

62:6  “Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”

 

I'm not saying other scriptures are different (tho very shocked about the anti semitism in the book), but I hate the double standard that people want to make Islam different from other religions and that Islam is beyond criticism. 

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1 hour ago, Simon said:

Religious scriptures are often contraries. 

Lets see some vile verses on other religions:

2:89 “When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers."

3:151 “We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”

5:51 “O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers."

9:123  “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

62:6  “Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”

 

I'm not saying other scriptures are different (tho very shocked about the anti semitism in the book), but I hate the double standard that people want to make Islam different from other religions and that Islam is beyond criticism. 

I just commented above agreeing with you that yes they are vile so why are you arguing with me that they are vile when I agree with u? I also never said islam is beyond criticism or that its different from other religions! thats why I always tell you that you do not listen to the person you are arguing with, you just argue with yourself..

My argument was not if islam is vile, its weather islam allows the killing of Christians or not. The only verse you gave that indicates killing none muslims is 9:123 but if you read the verse in its full context, you will see its talking about a battle where muslims have to defend themselves.

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40 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Give me one verse in the Quran that tells Muslims to kill none Muslims

 Didn't take me long. It's not like it's a "religion of peace"

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.”

Quran 4:56

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23 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

 Didn't take me long. It's not like it's a "religion of peace"

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.”

Quran 4:56

You do realize this verse is very specifically talking about Hell Fire right? As in every religious scripture that deals with the idea of Heaven and Hell. 

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23 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

 Didn't take me long. It's not like it's a "religion of peace"

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.”

Quran 4:56

That verse talks about how God will punish them in hell, it does not say anything about Muslims taking action to kill them.. it is extremely clear so I dont know why you even bring this up! Also, nobody including Muslims claim that islam is the religion of peace, islam means to surrender, it does not mean peace.

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i do find this as a good gesture of solidarity. If only voices of compassion and solidarity drowned out any hate or incitement of violence. Why must people fear terror in the 21st century when knowledge and reason is so prevalent and vast?  

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4 hours ago, FATCAT said:

This is very good on their behalf.

However, in essence, it WAS Islam that told those Muslims to murder that priest.

 

Not surprised who liked this comment, but I expected more from you fatty. 

No it was't. 

 

 

Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) instructed his soldiers:

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

 

 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

 

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1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Not surprised who liked this comment, but I expected more from you fatty. 

No it was't. 

 

 

Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) instructed his soldiers:

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

 

 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

 

 

And I can't at people deriving verses from the Quran out of context just to represent violence. Its a bit silly because when you take a verse you have to look at the surrounding text as well as the context.

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maybe prophets have something to do with the killling i mean did abraham kill in the name of religion? moses killed egyptians right?? the whole first born thing. muhammad waged war when he was persecuted for his beliefs but what happened when they came to kill jesus? didnt he just say "ok, do your thing, i'm not turning to violence" and he got tortured and murdered. 

 

maybe its just easier to justify "defending yourself" in other religions than christianity so its just more difficult to convince a muslim that violence isnt the way once they get that into their head.  idk

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1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Not surprised who liked this comment, but I expected more from you fatty. 

No it was't. 

 

 

Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) instructed his soldiers:

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

 

 

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

 

 

40 minutes ago, VOLANTIS said:

 

And I can't at people deriving verses from the Quran out of context just to represent violence. Its a bit silly because when you take a verse you have to look at the surrounding text as well as the context.

U guys must be new to religius books. Cause you know they contradict each other. And harmful verses can be found in any religious books. Stop denying that. 

God: don't kill 

God: *floads the world and kills everyone except a pair of each species*