Better Day 5,766 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, MaryJaneHolland said: i don't feel that in the album, seriously Your lose Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Down 2,807 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, MissRebelDolly said: Your lose loss* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Down 2,807 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 31 minutes ago, kabirartfling said: Lemme help you understand ARTPOP Watch this This i feel is the best and most simplest meaning of ARTPOP by far, and tbh i agree with her on this meaning! She could have said this as a meaning to the album rather than the whole soup in art reverse expedition bullcrap! She truly describes it perfectly here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nini mini boss 1,444 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 44 minutes ago, Lona Delery said: I guess Gaga didnt know it herself. Let's just accept ARTPOP as an album with good songs that aren't connected in any way. An album doesn't have to have a theme or concept to be good Like ANTI 🐺🌒✨ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Nostalgia is not just for geeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JupiterDrive 2,788 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 it was about cheap wigs and outfits until it was done after 2 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 i just realized the title got changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer 9,227 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 "The intention of the album was to put art culture into pop music, a reverse of Warhol. Instead of putting pop onto the canvas, we wanted to put the art onto the soup can." I don't know how she could have explained it any more clearly. It wasn't try-hard, IMO - just not to everybody's taste. I think the main problem with ARTPOP and why it didn't succeed is because everybody was looking for art in the music. But the music is just pure, unsaturated pop (which is its own form of art, but ultimately still pop music). Everything surrounding the music was true art, such as the Koons statue, the Robert Wilson portraits in the Louvre, the Abramovic Method, the outfits, the music videos, the vomit performance, etc. Unfortunately this concept was too abstract for the critics. After all their only job is to judge the music, so if the title doesn't convey the message through the music alone, then in their eyes it wasn't successful. I'm glad that ARTPOP's message evolved into something more simple by the G.U.Y era, i.e. 'creative rebellion'. It was a more "tangible" theme that the fans could relate to. Maybe if she had approached with that angle from the beginning, things might have gone differently... ARTPOP was Gaga's most ambitious work so you have to give her credit for that. But sometimes less is more. I think Gaga's learned her lesson now. I love judas SO MUCH but I canʹt look like a copycat of JLO!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,023 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 1 hour ago, MaryJaneHolland said: Actually ARTPOP, strangely is the album that I connect to most. I think Born This Way has a more appealing message in that as long as you have been bullied or needed security before, you'll find the message of it comforting and meaningful. ARTPOP is an album that enhanced my maturity I guess, I started to appreciate art in the general sense. I started to respect artists and their artistry. Passion for art is a flame that is so bright and inextinguishable and is so fcking beautiful. The emotion that can pour out from art is immense, and it's magical to be able to experience it. It makes you pour tears. To sum it up, ARTPOP's central message, in my viewpoint, revolves around one word 'artistry' - whether you're the creator of it, the admirer of it, it's fcking beautiful and it's creative in nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avalon x 4,153 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I don't understand anything from that video, tbh. But I do understand the meaning of ARTPOP although it doesn't reflect in every single song. It did also reflect in the videos (especially Applause) and the album cover. It's about "putting the art in front" i.e making the artistic integrity of the music the number one priority and It's also about getting art back into pop culture, (which is the reverse of Pop Art since it put pop culture into art). How she put art in pop culture was - There were a LOT of artistic references in the album cover and even actual cut-outs from a few and then they were the cover of CD's which is a part of our modern culture now. And the album cover was everywhere too for the promotion, in stores, there were t-shirts etc. So by putting art on her album cover it eventually went everywhere and became a part of pop culture. And there were countless references in Applause as well, like the Birth of Venus. Music videos being part of pop culture is how she put ART in POP in this case as well. There was some performance art in that era too. Her intention was to make that kind of art mainstream and make it trendy and inspire everyone to follow their creative outlets I'm not super articulate, sorry. I hope this makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire 902 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I honestly think ARTPOP's "theme" is a deeper look into Gaga as an individual & her struggles from the BTW era forward. I'm kinda surprised more monsters haven't picked up on this. Aura and Applause are like the introduction and ending of a play or public story telling, they're like bookends, one explaining what the story will be about getting a "peak behind the aura" of Gaga and the other the Applause that the audience gives at the end of a performance. The story in between these two songs describes Gaga going from discovering a love with Taylor Kinney (Venus, Sexxx Dreams, GUY) to her attempting to find different ways to escape her 2012-2013 semi-mental breakdown and struggles (Fashion! = trying to escape through the protection of fashion, Donatella = kinda the same thing as Fashion! but with an embrace of the upper class, "little bit of a bitch" attitude, Jewels N' Drugs = an embrace of a "thuggish" attitude (this would represent the time Gaga made Cake Like Lady Gaga) and ect.) Her struggles climax with the ultimate escapist song, Mary Jane Holland, which is followed by Dope, which represents the moment she realizes that her issues are seriously affecting not only herself, but the people around her. Gypsy is the resolution of her story when she finds solace in Taylor & Monsters' support and promise to stick with her and help her overcome her problems. Following the "theatre" concept, ARTPOP the song acts like an intermission, reaffirming the method Gaga is presenting her album concept. -------- Kinda long winded but that's my take on what ARTPOP really is - Previously Sycothisis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejandreaux 1,053 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Creative rebellion in general is supposed to be the theory. Also during that era, she talked a lot about a natural progression in culture, where in the 70's with "pop art", people like Andy Warhol would take images from pop culture (like soup cans and Marilyn Monroe) and paint them into his "high art" paintings... whereas nowadays it's the exact opposite, and people use well known "high art" paintings and references to sell their modern products. first the blonde icon was on the painting, and now the paintings are being worn by the blonde icon... if that makes ANY sense. "pop culture was in art, now art's in pop culture in me!" Stefani Warholmanotta idk how any of that has to do with the actual songs on the album since most of them are about about sex, but "art and pop culture coming full circle" seemed to be her main inspiration during that era. ARTPOP! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock 20,290 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 who really knows tbh who will love me when the night is over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avalon x 4,153 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 As I wrote the last post I kind of realized that I explained the word ARTPOP but there actually was a theme which reflected in all the tracks. She said all the tracks represented a different form (or like source) of adrenaline. Like the Fame Monster had fear of men, fear of sex, fear of the truth as themes for each track.. ARTPOP had the adrenaline from the Applause, the adrenaline from doing something forbidden (sexxx dreams), the rush you get from weed (obvious, which song) or when you walk down looking fab af, when you're in love, when you let the guy take charge etc, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 116,180 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 "How to make your label trust your ideas and give you more freedom in one album" So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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