Anti the new ARTPOP?

[Higher 2,406]

24 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

 

Hmm, real feminist, talking s**t about a woman, in public, right in front of her, talking about her as if she's not here. Now, see, that's a kind of bitchiness I could never get behind. Oh, and by the way, I never denied being obsessed. I review music and follow celebrity culture to the letter. It's just what I do. Just like a lot of people here. I don't see what's so worhy of mocking.

By the way, it's funny how 2 fans of a Rihanna (a woman who loves to speak her mind and loves to consider herself a bad ass bitch) are so dismissive of a woman who speaks her mind. I see you can only be a bad ass bitch if people agree with you.

You mad now? First of all I never said I was a feminist. Second of all just because I like her and her music doesn't mean I agree with everything she's done or said, so I don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't careless what she thinks about herself she ain't payin my bills. I like Rihanna for other reasons which is honestly none of your business.

 

When have I ever been dismissive towards you? I just thought you were obsessed which you are. 

[bambi96 1,555]

Girls come on; we belong together 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

2 minutes ago, Higher said:

You mad now? First of all I never said I was a feminist. Second of all just because I like her and her music doesn't mean I agree with everything she's done or said, so I don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't careless what she thinks about herself she ain't payin my bills. I like Rihanna for other reasons which is honestly none of your business.

 

When have I ever been dismissive towards you? I just thought you were obsessed which you are. 

Well, a lot of people around here claim to be feminists when they're really not very clear on what the term means. And plenty of Rihanna fans love her personality and you've defended her many times, so I assumed you were one of them. I've had run-ins with Rihanna fans before. They seem to think it's ok for her to speak her mind but don't like it when others do it to say that they don't like her.

You're being dismissive of me right now, with pithy comments and mocking gifs. I don't care if I'm considered to be obsessed. Seriously, I don't consider it an insult at all. I am self-aware, you know.

[DemeLarell 931]

52 minutes ago, Higher said:

Oh I forgot.  Did you know she works for the industry and knows everything about artists she doesn't like and loves writing essays about them in most of their threads on here.

 

Yea. I learned that when I learned of her existence this past weekend. Seems like she has a reputation on here already 

[DemeLarell 931]

1 hour ago, Higher said:

Oh I forgot.  Did you know she works for the industry and knows everything about artists she doesn't like and loves writing essays about them in most of their threads on here.

 

 

47 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

 

 

Hmm, real feminist, talking s**t about a woman, in public, right in front of her, talking about her as if she's not here. Now, see, that's a kind of bitchiness I could never get behind. Oh, and by the way, I never denied being obsessed. I review music and follow celebrity culture to the letter. It's just what I do. Just like a lot of people here. I don't see what's so worhy of mocking.

By the way, it's funny how 2 fans of a Rihanna (a woman who loves to speak her mind and loves to consider herself a bad ass bitch) are so dismissive of a woman who speaks her mind. I see you can only be a bad ass bitch if people agree with you.

I am a proud fan of Rihanna. And that is the first thing I ever heard you say positive about a female.  But this has nothing to do with her. I clocked you in the fergie thread too. You can talk **** about other females, like men do other men, but I am going to say to you what I would say to a man talking **** about a man. You claim to be a feminist but you are a walking contradiction.

To Higher and the rest of GGD: Can we all just agree to Like (not respond) to all of SB contradictory post? That way we don't have to have 10 essays in each thread and she can get the attention she yearns for. I don't mean to be rude but you are clogging up the threads with unnecessarily negative comments like you're going to win a Pulitzer prize or something in here. I tried to come in peace but you get so defensive so quickly with prohibits us from having a stimulating conversation.  

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

6 minutes ago, DemeLarell said:

 

I am a proud fan of Rihanna. And that is the first thing I ever heard you say positive about a female.  But this has nothing to do with her. I clocked you in the fergie thread too. You can talk **** about other females, like men do other men, but I am going to say to you what I would say to a man talking **** about a man. You claim to be a feminist but you are a walking contradiction.

To Higher and the rest of GGD: Can we all just agree to Like (not respond) to all of SB contradictory post? That way we don't have to have 10 essays in each thread and she can get the attention she yearns for. I don't mean to be rude but you are clogging up the threads with unnecessarily negative comments like you're going to win a Pulitzer prize or something in here. I tried to come in peace but you get so defensive so quickly with prohibits us from having a stimulating conversation.  

 

First positive thing you've ever heard me say about a woman? Well, considering, by your own admission, you've only learned of my existance a week ago, maybe you haven't been around here long enough to see the many times I have supported women? Real ignorance there. I think I know myself better than how someone online does who's only just encountered me. Like I said before, you have only seen a tiny portion of my thoughts.

Wow, that last paragraph was very hurtful. And right in front of me, too. You're not even going to be subtle about your nastiness? Planning to essentially ignore me as a human is really horrible. I don't do this because I yearn attention, but because I genuinely want to start discussion and make people question things and get things off my chest. How dare you assume you know everything about me when you've only spoken to me twice. And you don't mean to be rude? Now who's the one who's delusional? I'm not trying to win a Pulitzer prize, I just say what I feel because I like to get my emotions out and I'm a passionate person. To be shot down for my nature is very offensive and hurtful. I come in peace as well, it's everyone else who wants to make something more of my opinions and come after me with insults. I think a lot of people just aren't confident enough in their own opinions and prefer to live in echo chambers where they can only hear the stuff they like. I prefer to hear both sides of an argument. Life's way more interesting that way. That to me, is a stimulating conversation.

[DemeLarell 931]

54 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

First positive thing you've ever heard me say about a woman? Well, considering, by your own admission, you've only learned of my existance a week ago, maybe you haven't been around here long enough to see the many times I have supported women? Real ignorance there. I think I know myself better than how someone online does who's only just encountered me. Like I said before, you have only seen a tiny portion of my thoughts.

Wow, that last paragraph was very hurtful. And right in front of me, too. You're not even going to be subtle about your nastiness? Planning to essentially ignore me as a human is really horrible. I don't do this because I yearn attention, but because I genuinely want to start discussion and make people question things and get things off my chest. How dare you assume you know everything about me when you've only spoken to me twice. And you don't mean to be rude? Now who's the one who's delusional? I'm not trying to win a Pulitzer prize, I just say what I feel because I like to get my emotions out and I'm a passionate person. To be shot down for my nature is very offensive and hurtful. I come in peace as well, it's everyone else who wants to make something more of my opinions and come after me with insults. I think a lot of people just aren't confident enough in their own opinions and prefer to live in echo chambers where they can only hear the stuff they like. I prefer to hear both sides of an argument. Life's way more interesting that way. That to me, is a stimulating conversation.

1. I said it was the most positive thing I have seen from you. Meaning the things that I read from you are negative. I have not seen one positive thing from you and I have been on here for a while now and even when I wasn't I still read post on her. And considering the feedback you get on here I see it's not the first or second time this has happened. And if I was ignorant than you you should have educated me. Instead you choose to prove to me that my first impression was correct. 

2. I wanted to pick at your thoughts and get to know you and understand your opinions. I never assumed to know you but I took what you gave me and worked with it. But you came off as defensive and vile initially. And that's not just you. I come to everyone on this site with an open mind and want them to elaborate on their thoughts but most people on here get defensive. I never meant to approach you wrong (in the fergie thread) if that is how you interpreted it or something. 

3. Yes I admit my comment was rude but after I said "not to be rude" I didnt mean for it to be rude. Tbh I want to get to know you. I want to figure out your thoughts and opinions because you are passionate and I like that in people. When I first quoted you in the fergie thread I was like "I don't fully agree but I like the conviction this girl has" (that's what I said in my mind.) But I dont like the defensiveness and the way you victimize yourself. You might not be victimizing yourself, but it really appears to be that way. That is what I meant by the stimulating part. Not because we share different opinions. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

21 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

1. I said it was the most positive thing I have seen from you. Meaning the things that I read from you are negative. I have not seen one positive thing from you and I have been on here for a while now and even when I wasn't I still read post on her. And considering the feedback you get on here I see it's not the first or second time this has happened. And if I was ignorant than you you should have educated me. Instead you choose to prove to me that my first impression was correct. 

2. I wanted to pick at your thoughts and get to know you and understand your opinions. I never assumed to know you but I took what you gave me and worked with it. But you came off as defensive and vile initially. And that's not just you. I come to everyone on this site with an open mind and want them to elaborate on their thoughts but most people on here get defensive. I never meant to approach you wrong (in the fergie thread) if that is how you interpreted it or something. 

3. Yes I admit my comment was rude but after I said "not to be rude" I didnt mean for it to be rude. Tbh I want to get to know you. I want to figure out your thoughts and opinions because you are passionate and I like that in people. When I first quoted you in the fergie thread I was like "I don't fully agree but I like the conviction this girl has" (that's what I said in my mind.) But I dont like the defensiveness and the way you victimize yourself. You might not be victimizing yourself, but it really appears to be that way. That is what I meant by the stimulating part. Not because we share different opinions. 

Yes, granted, I have said a lot of negative things around here recently. Usually, there's a bit more positive stuff, but celebrity culture works in such a way where a whole bunch of negative stuff is always happening. It doesn't help that most of the ones I do like are flopping or on a break or no one wants to speak about them, so it appears like I have nothing nice to say about anyone. I can't exactly sift through every positive thing I've ever said and give you links to it. But do know that from last year to present day, I've said highly positive things about the albums made by (to name but a few)...Elle King, Melanie Martinez, Carly Rae Jepsen, Lana Del Rey, Demi Lovato, Carrie Underwood, Little Mix and Ariana Grande. And there's plenty more that I haven't said positive stuff about but would if I could. Female albums tend to be my favourites, so most of them are by women. I also conduct a best and worst list of albums and singles at the start of every new year here. But bear in mind, even with artists that I don't like or have a strained relationship with, I'm always fair and praise them for the good stuff they've made. I've done this with Taylor, Madonna, Beyonce, even Rihanna. I'm always fair and give credit where credit's due. But you couldn't possibly have seen all that from a cursory look at my most recent posts.

"Vile" is a bit harsh, is it not? That is a very horrible word to use towards someone, but rather a term reserved for bad food or something. If you want to get to know me, picking me apart in public isn't the best way to go about it. Of course I'll be defensive if people put me down or attempt to discredit my opinion, it's natural. I think we've all got a right to do that. If I can't get defensive over that, when can I be? I approach everyone on this site with an open mind and want them to elaborate on their thoughts too but I don't make a habit of giving them a dressing down upon first meeting.

Just saying "not to be rude" at the end doesn't erase what you said before it or make it not rude. It's like saying "no offensive" at the end of something so obviously offensive. If you want to get to know me, talk to me nicely and respectfully, and you'll see my true colours as our best natures come out when we're being treated right. I had to explain this to another user recently because we used to always have bad arguments until they realised that with an attitude change, we could get along much better, which we now do. There was a user here who used to hate me but then she started really taking in my opinions one day and changed her mind and we became friends. I can give you a list of people who like me here but it wouldn't be right to just list them publicly, so I won't. When people talk to me privately, they tend to realise I'm just misunderstood. Like I said, I like to be admired for my passion and conviction, even if not everyone agrees with me. As far as I could see, when people speak their opinions, they get cheered, they get called cool and fierce and badass. And considering that I've always been the uncool, picked-upon one, I figured speaking my mind on a forum, an outlet that usually supports independent thinking and confidence, that people might like me. But it didn't take me long to realise that people only think you're cool and fierce and badass if you say stuff they agree with. So many people claim to love strong women who speak their minds, but only when that mind matches theirs. I don't intend to victimize myself and it's not victimizing if it's the truth.

[DemeLarell 931]

14 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, granted, I have said a lot of negative things around here recently. Usually, there's a bit more positive stuff, but celebrity culture works in such a way where a whole bunch of negative stuff is always happening. It doesn't help that most of the ones I do like are flopping or on a break or no one wants to speak about them, so it appears like I have nothing nice to say about anyone. I can't exactly sift through every positive thing I've ever said and give you links to it. But do know that from last year to present day, I've said highly positive things about the albums made by (to name but a few)...Elle King, Melanie Martinez, Carly Rae Jepsen, Lana Del Rey, Demi Lovato, Carrie Underwood, Little Mix and Ariana Grande. And there's plenty more that I haven't said positive stuff about but would if I could. Female albums tend to be my favourites, so most of them are by women. I also conduct a best and worst list of albums and singles at the start of every new year here. But bear in mind, even with artists that I don't like or have a strained relationship with, I'm always fair and praise them for the good stuff they've made. I've done this with Taylor, Madonna, Beyonce, even Rihanna. I'm always fair and give credit where credit's due. But you couldn't possibly have seen all that from a cursory look at my most recent posts.

"Vile" is a bit harsh, is it not? That is a very horrible word to use towards someone, but rather a term reserved for bad food or something. If you want to get to know me, picking me apart in public isn't the best way to go about it. Of course I'll be defensive if people put me down or attempt to discredit my opinion, it's natural. I think we've all got a right to do that. If I can't get defensive over that, when can I be? I approach everyone on this site with an open mind and want them to elaborate on their thoughts too but I don't make a habit of giving them a dressing down upon first meeting.

Just saying "not to be rude" at the end doesn't erase what you said before it or make it not rude. It's like saying "no offensive" at the end of something so obviously offensive. If you want to get to know me, talk to me nicely and respectfully, and you'll see my true colours as our best natures come out when we're being treated right. I had to explain this to another user recently because we used to always have bad arguments until they realised that with an attitude change, we could get along much better, which we now do. There was a user here who used to hate me but then she started really taking in my opinions one day and changed her mind and we became friends. I can give you a list of people who like me here but it wouldn't be right to just list them publicly, so I won't. When people talk to me privately, they tend to realise I'm just misunderstood. Like I said, I like to be admired for my passion and conviction, even if not everyone agrees with me. As far as I could see, when people speak their opinions, they get cheered, they get called cool and fierce and badass. And considering that I've always been the uncool, picked-upon one, I figured speaking my mind on a forum, an outlet that usually supports independent thinking and confidence, that people might like me. But it didn't take me long to realise that people only think you're cool and fierce and badass if you say stuff they agree with. So many people claim to love strong women who speak their minds, but only when that mind matches theirs. I don't intend to victimize myself and it's not victimizing if it's the truth.

Here you are victimizing yourself again. If you read what I said i admitted to being rude but what i said after i said not to be rude was not meant to be rude. 

"The consumers are the actual target audience she is trying to obtain, which clearly is not you. An I don't mean that in a shady way. There is some music out there I don't care about but I feel like I'm not a part of the target audience they intended to get. 

As far as sex, I feel like that also goes hand in hand with the target audience. There are many other artist out there who don't use a lot of sex in their music, but why does every artist have to be sexless. This is feminism. Being able to do whatever you want as a female, sex or no sex.

And if opinions are valid they would be called facts. When I hear music on this forum that I don't care for, I keep it moving. I let the people who appreciate the song talk about it and have fun. People on this site hide behind the word "opinion" to much, just to get away with what they say. We just want to enjoy the music and talk among other people who enjoy the song as well."

This was my original response when you quoted me when what i originally didn't even target you specifically. We could have talked, but you came off as defensive when all I was trying to do is just state my opinion on the matter as well. Like I said before It wasn't what you said. It was how you said it. I love strong people in general that speak their mind even if I disagree with what they say just because I like to see the world through their eyes. 

And I apologize for calling you vile, but I do feel like some of the stuff you say is vile. 

Ok. Let's resolve this now. Even through all of this I still like your passion and conviction so we can do 1 of 2 things.

1. We could get to know and understand each other and maybe potentially become friends. I would like that.

or 

2. We just agree to disagree or whatever this is and just go on about our lives. 

What do you think?

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

37 minutes ago, DemeLarell said:

Here you are victimizing yourself again. If you read what I said i admitted to being rude but what i said after i said not to be rude was not meant to be rude. 

"The consumers are the actual target audience she is trying to obtain, which clearly is not you. An I don't mean that in a shady way. There is some music out there I don't care about but I feel like I'm not a part of the target audience they intended to get. 

As far as sex, I feel like that also goes hand in hand with the target audience. There are many other artist out there who don't use a lot of sex in their music, but why does every artist have to be sexless. This is feminism. Being able to do whatever you want as a female, sex or no sex.

And if opinions are valid they would be called facts. When I hear music on this forum that I don't care for, I keep it moving. I let the people who appreciate the song talk about it and have fun. People on this site hide behind the word "opinion" to much, just to get away with what they say. We just want to enjoy the music and talk among other people who enjoy the song as well."

This was my original response when you quoted me when what i originally didn't even target you specifically. We could have talked, but you came off as defensive when all I was trying to do is just state my opinion on the matter as well. Like I said before It wasn't what you said. It was how you said it. I love strong people in general that speak their mind even if I disagree with what they say just because I like to see the world through their eyes. 

And I apologize for calling you vile, but I do feel like some of the stuff you say is vile. 

Ok. Let's resolve this now. Even through all of this I still like your passion and conviction so we can do 1 of 2 things.

1. We could get to know and understand each other and maybe potentially become friends. I would like that.

or 

2. We just agree to disagree or whatever this is and just go on about our lives. 

What do you think?

I'm not victimising, I'm talking about a genuine experience I go through on this forum and you are dismissing my feelings about it. Well, your ideals on rudeness clearly differ from mine.

I think I just offered you my opinion fairly as well. You, on the other hand, made shady comments about people hiding behind opinions to say whatever they like and suggested that you should only respond to something if I can be positive about it. You say I came across as defensive, I say you came across as shady. Looks like we both thought each other came off badly, eh?

Please, if you're going to make an apology for using a word, don't undercut that apology by using that word again in the very next sentence. You should have ended after "I apologise for calling you vile." I think that assessment is a bit dramatic, to say the least. Just because you don't agree with an opinion doesn't make it something as extreme as "vile." I think I'd reserve that word for a really horrible opinion like "I like stamping on puppies," not a critique of a music video.

I'll go for option #1. We'd be better off discussing in private instead of derailing the thread, though.

[DemeLarell 931]

57 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm not victimising, I'm talking about a genuine experience I go through on this forum and you are dismissing my feelings about it. Well, your ideals on rudeness clearly differ from mine.

I think I just offered you my opinion fairly as well. You, on the other hand, made shady comments about people hiding behind opinions to say whatever they like and suggested that you should only respond to something if I can be positive about it. You say I came across as defensive, I say you came across as shady. Looks like we both thought each other came off badly, eh?

Please, if you're going to make an apology for using a word, don't undercut that apology by using that word again in the very next sentence. You should have ended after "I apologise for calling you vile." I think that assessment is a bit dramatic, to say the least. Just because you don't agree with an opinion doesn't make it something as extreme as "vile." I think I'd reserve that word for a really horrible opinion like "I like stamping on puppies," not a critique of a music video.

I'll go for option #1. We'd be better off discussing in private instead of derailing the thread, though.

Thank you. But yeah PM me. And the apology was honest. I didn't mean to call you "vile" but rather the statement. I don't think you are a vile person person but you weren't talking about music. You were talking about a person at the core of it all. You might not like Rihanna's music but she is still a person at the end of the day just like you and I. 

[Maggi 29]

This is amazing 

 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

On July 1, 2016 at 1:03 PM, FameMonzter said:

I mean, it's not that. Work is mediocre compared to the ARTPOP singles that Gaga released, not even being delusional. Rihanna gets praised for a song without a meaning behind the song, not even to mention that you can barely hear what she is singing. When Do What U Want, a song with quite a powerful meaning got dismissed and called "try hard". Like..  

Because Rihanna is already an established legacy act. Gaga hasn't shown enough longevity or doesn't have enough huge recent hits to get away with it.

[SamJ 8,008]

28 minutes ago, Maggi said:

This is amazing 

 

it really is!