SlayedForTheGod 665 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 as for the features thing. i wish theyd stop but tbh i dont think it would make a difference.what makes their songs are the choruses. every rapper theyve featured so far(besides fetty) has been borderline irrelevant. so i highly doubt they are bringing in any audience to the song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayedForTheGod 665 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 and like i said before. theyll stop recording slightly sexual songs when their non sexual singles are supported like Worth It and WFH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,431 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Wow I hate this lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernster7 7,923 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I like this song, it's really fun, but in my opinion WFH is miles better. Monsters never die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto 13,453 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 18 hours ago, Lion Heart said: LAUREN SLAYS Are you being serious? I'm not really into 5H, but I always feel sorry for her. She barely gets to sing, besides Work, work x1000, she's always a lot more covered up and always in the back. She always looks like she really hates this job or is this all just me? OT: fun song and video, but to me it's totally forgetable like most of their work Free my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisGuyTony 31,076 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Not catchy or memorable, a girl group made up of 5 girls does not need to feature a rapper especially not Fetty Wap who sounds awful as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Slayed by this video actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I love the video. If people got so many problems about beach bodies, go find a gym. It's not that serious. Most of you guys just don't sound that comfortable in your own skin. Gaga has showed just as much skin in her videos. Anyway, I love the song. I think I might check out their song. The darkskin one with the yellow on her hip was killing it on the rocks. You can be feminists and not look like Hillary. Lady Gaga should have taught you guys this by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Ryan 1,468 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 On 6/23/2016 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Warhola said: I don't think the song is actually encouraging that. It's just a silly pleonasm. It's 2016 I can't believe you had to explain this. This has been going on like since the 2000s or earlier. This place sometimes... get out of the house. No tea. No shade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 15 hours ago, Lion Heart said: The guys from the video: Some of the hottest stock shirtless guys I've seen in a long time 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 20 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: Shocker, another sexual video from 5H with an inappropriate message for their legion of underage fans. In the old days, this stuff could slide but now, aren't we supposed to have more of a moral compass about this stuff? While I would like the thought of having a daughter one day, the idea that she could potentially have to deal with this onslaught of overt sexuality aimed at her, encouraging her to dress, talk and act a certain way that isn't suitable at her age puts me off the idea of having kids. It's all very well being sexual but don't aim your music at the youngest age groups and make your material adult enough (not in a sexual way, in a mature way) that it won't appeal to kids anyway. Girl groups have a duty to their young fanbase, just like boybands do. Boybands are kept decently modest, literally and figuratively (I mean, the raunchiest song 1D ever released was Live While We're Young, purely because they said: "Tonight let's get some and live while we're young," that's as suggestive as it got). Girl bands are overtly sexualised just because they are girls and that is seen as their natural role and I'm sick of it, especially when the girls actually have talent. Feminism cannot flourish in a society where girls are sent the message loud and clear: "Males stay covered, females undress." This is why I fight against this concept of "dressing provocatively is feminism" because you're just living up to your stereotype and the role society has deemed for you, which is the exact opposite of feminism. If you're attractive and sexy, you don't need to take your clothes off for people to see that. I just want to add that boybands have always had this problem too. For years, boybands have been singing a love song to the same woman. It's like, how does that work? Do they want to share her or what? I remember TheKeyOfAwesome's parody of 1D's What Makes You Beautiful where the boys say to this one girl: "Me and my four friends all want you so desperately, now I say that out loud, it sounds quite creepy!" and she runs away in terror! This is just an all-round problem with all bands, not just pop ones. That's why being part of a band never appealed to me - this idea of singing relationship songs together just doesn't gel, neither does singing songs about being the best or any sort of personal experience whatsoever. I want to sing songs that come from my experiences, not anyone else's, or to be shared by anyone else. For this reason, I'm surprised bands are still forming, to be honest, unless it's a band in the sense of there's one singer and the rest just play instruments. And you're telling us that on a LADY GAGA fan forum? Girl, bye. Here's some marketing 101 for you: SEX SELLS. Men, women, everyone enjoys sex therefore sex sells. Nudity is appealing because we all enjoy sex past a certain point in our life, maybe you should get laid more and not see sex as this great big monster all women need to be afraid of. And boy bands ARE sexualized, hello? Have you missed the past 30 years in popculture? Millions of teenage girls in history have been/are lusting after all these boys in boybands. It's a natural thing, hormones start racing and you get to "pick" your dream crush out of a set of three, four, five or even more attractive boys. So why should girl groups be treated any differently? Why can't they be sexy too? These girls can sing their heads off, they've proven that in acoustics and ballads for years. Now they're finally hitting the big time and yes, with up-beat danceable singles. So what exactly do people like you want them to look like when they're singing these club/dance anthems? Dressed in ball gowns or having a set-up like Adele has? They are 20-something girls having fun with up-beat music, let them be."Feminism cannot flourish in a society where girls are sent the message loud and clear: "Males stay covered, females undress." What kind of sentence is that? Feminism literally means EQUALITY between the sexes on ALL levels. I'm sorry, have you missed the tons of shirtless guys in this video? What you're doing is the opposite of the feminist message you think you're bringing. They are on a BEACH for a summer jam hit single, what do you wear on the beach? A hoodie? You are SLUTSHAMING these girls for dancing provocatively and wearing bikini's on a sunny beach. I hope you are aware of that. And like you can see above and in tons more "evidence" available to you at the click of your fingertips, males in groups HAVE BEEN undressing for DECADES."This is why I fight against this concept of "dressing provocatively is feminism" because you're just living up to your stereotype and the role society has deemed for you, which is the exact opposite of feminism." You got it all mixed up. Maybe it's a difference in the worlds you and I live in but NO WHERE in my day to day life am I hearing men telling girls they should expose more cleavage or dance raunchier in clubs. I'm in Western Europe here and if anything, girls are being told to be LESS provocative and the Islamisation of this part of the world has many girls feared they'll be slutshamed if they wear a SKIRT out on the public streets in hot summer weather. It's messed up. Anyway, at the end of the day, it's all about choice. You can cover up if you want to, they can expose whatever they want to. That's the beauty of choice. That's freedom. But don't slutshame these girls. However, if anyone of them ever reveals they weren't comfortable doing this and they were told to wear these outfits because of marketing reasons, I don't endorse that at all and then your point is valid. But the only one that seems kinda "whatever" in this video is Lauren. All of the other girls are clearly owning their sexuality and are bringing a level of energy no manager can get out of an artist who's not willing to do something. Camilla is working it as per usual, Normani walked and popped her back up on that rock with determination no "managers victim" ever could, Dinah is in the sheerest bathing suit ever and obviously enjoying her Beyoncé tropical moment and Ally worked that camera for days. Ally gets the most sh*t because people are constantly critiquing her body for being "box-shaped" but then homegirl opens up the video laying in a cut-out one-piece. Obviously her own decision or she'd be in a slightly more covered up button-up or something like she's been in the past. Lauren has nailed the twerk-choreo in Worth It many times over so I doubt she's uncomfortable at all, by the way. She does seem kinda "meh" in this video like I said earlier. One more thing, I wasn't here for Camilla saying "I don't like it too soft, I like it a little rough" when she was just 17 in Worth It. She changed the lyric in the re-released version of the song, so she's obviously aware of it. Now she's of age, I don't mind her "sexy behaviour". She's venturing out as a solo-artist with an equally "provocative" image as well and she has a solo-manager on top of her 5H-team. It's all objective. But at the end of the day, if these girls felt like doing a little bikini action on a beach, you have no right to assume they're playing "stereotyping gender roles". Because they might be doing that for you, but not for everyone everywhere. Girls in certain parts of the world or raised in certain circumstances might find this video, featuring 5 girls dancing on a beach in a bikini, really, really liberating. Don't always assume your opinion is the only correct one Strawberry. You do it all the time on here and you seem to particularly critique on every single "skin-showing artist" out there. From Madonna to Nicki Minaj to Beyonce and now 5H, you are always in GagaDaily threads slandering them. If you really don't enjoy something, why feel the need to go back for more every single time those artists do something? I've been in threads on here about artists that I don't like and made a comment to let everyone here know I don't enjoy or endorse certain things but you go to the extra length and push everyone to see your opinion as the only right one. It's their choice, not yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,918 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, jojuun said: And you're telling us that on a LADY GAGA fan forum? Girl, bye. Here's some marketing 101 for you: SEX SELLS. Men, women, everyone enjoys sex therefore sex sells. Nudity is appealing because we all enjoy sex past a certain point in our life, maybe you should get laid more and not see sex as this great big monster all women need to be afraid of. And boy bands ARE sexualized, hello? Have you missed the past 30 years in popculture? Millions of teenage girls in history have been/are lusting after all these boys in boybands. It's a natural thing, hormones start racing and you get to "pick" your dream crush out of a set of three, four, five or even more attractive boys. So why should girl groups be treated any differently? Why can't they be sexy too? These girls can sing their heads off, they've proven that in acoustics and ballads for years. Now they're finally hitting the big time and yes, with up-beat danceable singles. So what exactly do people like you want them to look like when they're singing these club/dance anthems? Dressed in ball gowns or having a set-up like Adele has? They are 20-something girls having fun with up-beat music, let them be."Feminism cannot flourish in a society where girls are sent the message loud and clear: "Males stay covered, females undress." What kind of sentence is that? Feminism literally means EQUALITY between the sexes on ALL levels. I'm sorry, have you missed the tons of shirtless guys in this video? What you're doing is the opposite of the feminist message you think you're bringing. They are on a BEACH for a summer jam hit single, what do you wear on the beach? A hoodie? You are SLUTSHAMING these girls for dancing provocatively and wearing bikini's on a sunny beach. I hope you are aware of that. And like you can see above and in tons more "evidence" available to you at the click of your fingertips, males in groups HAVE BEEN undressing for DECADES."This is why I fight against this concept of "dressing provocatively is feminism" because you're just living up to your stereotype and the role society has deemed for you, which is the exact opposite of feminism." You got it all mixed up. Maybe it's a difference in the worlds you and I live in but NO WHERE in my day to day life am I hearing men telling girls they should expose more cleavage or dance raunchier in clubs. I'm in Western Europe here and if anything, girls are being told to be LESS provocative and the Islamisation of this part of the world has many girls feared they'll be slutshamed if they wear a SKIRT out on the public streets in hot summer weather. It's messed up. Anyway, at the end of the day, it's all about choice. You can cover up if you want to, they can expose whatever they want to. That's the beauty of choice. That's freedom. But don't slutshame these girls. However, if anyone of them ever reveals they weren't comfortable doing this and they were told to wear these outfits because of marketing reasons, I don't endorse that at all and then your point is valid. But the only one that seems kinda "whatever" in this video is Lauren. All of the other girls are clearly owning their sexuality and are bringing a level of energy no manager can get out of an artist who's not willing to do something. Camilla is working it as per usual, Normani walked and popped her back up on that rock with determination no "managers victim" ever could, Dinah is in the sheerest bathing suit ever and obviously enjoying her Beyoncé tropical moment and Ally worked that camera for days. Ally gets the most sh*t because people are constantly critiquing her body for being "box-shaped" but then homegirl opens up the video laying in a cut-out one-piece. Obviously her own decision or she'd be in a slightly more covered up button-up or something like she's been in the past. Lauren has nailed the twerk-choreo in Worth It many times over so I doubt she's uncomfortable at all, by the way. She does seem kinda "meh" in this video like I said earlier. One more thing, I wasn't here for Camilla saying "I don't like it too soft, I like it a little rough" when she was just 17 in Worth It. She changed the lyric in the re-released version of the song, so she's obviously aware of it. Now she's of age, I don't mind her "sexy behaviour". She's venturing out as a solo-artist with an equally "provocative" image as well and she has a solo-manager on top of her 5H-team. It's all objective. But at the end of the day, if these girls felt like doing a little bikini action on a beach, you have no right to assume they're playing "stereotyping gender roles". Because they might be doing that for you, but not for everyone everywhere. Girls in certain parts of the world or raised in certain circumstances might find this video, featuring 5 girls dancing on a beach in a bikini, really, really liberating. Don't always assume your opinion is the only correct one Strawberry. You do it all the time on here and you seem to particularly critique on every single "skin-showing artist" out there. From Madonna to Nicki Minaj to Beyonce and now 5H, you are always in GagaDaily threads slandering them. If you really don't enjoy something, why feel the need to go back for more every single time those artists do something? I've been in threads on here about artists that I don't like and made a comment to let everyone here know I don't enjoy or endorse certain things but you go to the extra length and push everyone to see your opinion as the only right one. It's their choice, not yours. Ah, the old "you're telling us this on a Lady Gaga forum" cliche. I've already said it's possible to be sexual in an appropriate way to an appropriate audience. Read what I've said. While some people thought Gaga was kid-friendly at first, it didn't take them long to think otherwise and Gaga found fame on her own and started out uncensored and has never aimed herself at kids, her music is too mature for them to really like it anyway. But 5H formed out of a family-friendly talent show for whom kids are some of the biggest viewers and they are still aimed at kids now. Completely different. I am well aware that sex sells but that doesn't make it acceptable. Talent and good music should sell, sex is just a side dish. I'm not saying sex is a monster that women should be afraid of but that they shouldn't let it define them or take the place of talent or good music. And pulling out the "you need to get laid" cliche, really? How ironic for someone claiming to be a feminist and the fact you can't see how misogynist and sexist this line is truly astonishing. Rule 1 of feminism - never tell a woman that she needs to have more sex. Never make anyone feel like sex is something they need to do. Boybands are not sexualised in the same way that girls are. The most they'll do is take their tops off and even then, it's still different because male naked chests are different to female naked chests. A man can be bare chested and be completely non-sexual, that's just how it works. Boybands can be sexy fully-clothed, that's always the way its been. It's always been the way its been for men, period. But girls aren't allowed to be sexy fully-clothed. And I'm calling BS on that. Male singers can remain fully-clothed because they're signed/managed by men who, just like them, believe in a certain level of dignity and self-respect and that a man's talent should be the focus, not his physical appearance. Women on the other hand, have to deal with being treated like slabs of meat by their labels who think a woman's talent alone cannot sell and it's disgusting. I'm not saying women can't be sexy, I'm saying they can be sexy with their clothes on, just like men. You don't need to be half naked to sing a club/dance anthem. Hello, did you see how demure Rihanna's dressed in the new Calvin Harris dance song? See, you've fallen right into the trap that the industry wants you to - thinking that certain songs require girls to strip off. You don't even realise that you're falling for it. Yes, I want equality for women, which means that they will be treated the same as men, which means no more treating women like objects who are required to be scantily dressed to be seen as worthwhile. Men get that respect, why don't we? And notice you said shirtless - because men don't go any further than that, unless they're posing for a gay magazine. But women are expected to do bikinis, topless, full on naked in many situations. Plus, even when males are under-dressed, their power still remains because of obvious reasons. The more clothes a girl loses, the more vulnerable she becomes. I'm not saying they needed to be covered on a beach, but was there any need for bikinis, rolling around and grinding on the sand? There's such a thing as being sensual and alluring but not overtly sexual. They have young fans, they shouldn't be going this overboard. I'm not slutshaming, I'm putting down the director who made them do this. I live in the UK, which seems to shock people for some reason, like people in democratic European countries can't be a bit more sexually reserved or something (generalising, much?) Well, I don't know in what utopia you're living in, but in mine, women are given mixed messages constantly - one minute, they should be provocative, they next, demure, and they're told these conflicting messages from all different people. Are you aware about how many girls are under pressure from boys in their school to send them topless pictures on their phones and the negative effects complying or not complying does to these girls? This is why I'm so opposed to the line in Work From Home - "I'm sending pic after picture, I'm gonna get you fired." It normalises sexting among the young people who listen to this song and it makes me very angry. Seriously, how are you blind to all the ways that women are encouraged to be sexual for men? Maybe take a look around at all the strip clubs in town or how violent and misogynistic p*rn is these days. We are becoming so blinded to what we think is the slutshaming in today's society that we forget that the opposite is a far bigger and more damaging problem. Now, it's funny that you bring up the concept of what if the girls were uncomfortable with this. It's amazing how much female singers can be good actresses when it comes to this stuff. Don't let percieved happiness and confidence fool you because some girls are suffering behind the scenes in ways you can't imagine. Whenever this idea comes up, I always point people in the direction of Gabriella Cilmi. This girl was sexed-up for her second album and she changed to commercial music. She then did a partially topless shoot for FHM and talked at length about how confident she was with her body. I remember thinking at the time: "Wow, I'm really surprised she would do this, this isn't like her at all." Well...that's because she didn't want to. She later got dropped from her label after said album failed and she went on to self-release her last album. And it was full of songs about how she was forced into stuff she didn't want but went along with it because she thought it would help her career. Check out the most revealing songs, The Sting and Sweeter In History. They're so sad and make you feel really sorry for her. She went on record to say how much she'd regretted comprising everything she stood for in the hopes of getting sales. But you'd never think it because of how confident she seemed at the time. Now, I'm not saying every single female who's sexualised in the industry was forced to or deeply regrets it but all I'm saying is that you just don't know who's suffering and who isn't, with very few exceptions. It's weird, so many people talked about how shocking and inappropriate it was for Camilla to sing that line but am I the only one who didn't see the big deal? She's 17, that's legal in most of the world, including the US. Britney and Xtina said equally suggestive stuff at her age and younger. So, even I seem to think people are acting like prudes sometimes. It's provocative, but it's just a preference, it can't really influence. Like I said, it's her singing stuff about sexting that worries me more because young girls will really take that to heart. By the way, what did she change the line too, because I can't find any other version? Thing is, even if you don't realise it, when you're consuming all this media of girls acting sexy, it's going to have an impact on you. To the point where you won't even consider it a gender role anymore, it'll just be the norm. Girls are expected to be sexual and if they're not, there's something wrong with them. That's the message we are sent. I am impressed that I am seeing more men fighting against this idea now (once they've done salivating, of course) and wanting more from female artists than just a sexy video. Long may it continue. Liberation means something different to different people. And being raised in "different circumstances" can prove problematic for girls if they do head off in this direction of "liberation." Disapproval from their own culture and being treated as a piece of meat from the culture they've adopted. It's a case of pick your poison, basically. Being overtly sexual means women are disrespected from both sides, in different ways. I'm not assuming my opinion is the only correct one. I'm sick of people telling me this. I've never claimed my opinions are better than anyone else's, I just like to present ways of thinking that people haven't thought of or present facts mixed in with opinion. If people change their minds, it's a great bonus, but it's not needed. I just like to ensure that people realise the opinion that they have and if they even realise what it means. You'd be surprised at how many people hold opinions but don't know why they do or even what that opinion means. I just like to get my opinion out, that's all. If anything, it's people of accuse me of being self-righteous who are the most self-righteous ones. I comment on things I don't like because I believe in asserting my views on everything and it's relieves tension to get out frustrations. I don't know why my need to put my opinion out there is always so criticised. I would never criticise someone for exerting their freedom of speech. I take that right very seriously, thank you. And as a feminist and a woman, I really don't take well to having my exertion of this right criticised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaStefi 1,231 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Its not that deep. They're literally on a beach so of course you're going to see provocative outfits. Their attitude "I can show as much skin as I want so deal with it." I don't know why people are coming for the girls for singing about sex when every pop girl does it. 5H is ALL about feminism, just listen to any of their interviews. But anyways, I love this song and video so I hope it does well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanripley 86,575 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, GagaStefi said: Its not that deep. They're literally on a beach so of course you're going to see provocative outfits. Their attitude "I can show as much skin as I want so deal with it." I don't know why people are coming for the girls for singing about sex when every pop girl does it. 5H is ALL about feminism, just listen to any of their interviews. But anyways, I love this song and video so I hope it does well. cus it's not about them, it's about the impact it's having on the male body image pandemic https://goo.gl/xMgMvJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,374 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Wow those essays tho. You guys must do good at school lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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