Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I know we're all tired of this discussion but I saw it today and automatically felt it needed to be shared for the first time in awhile as a response to those worried about Gaga being a character or Stefani taking over post-ARTPOP. "’I'm the Lady by day, and I’m Gaga by night. I’m always going to be that way because it’s a testament to your discipline as a musician. I do like to drink, I like to get crazy, I like to go out with my friends, and I like to sing rock and roll. I used to go-go dance! But, at the end of the day, I’m a classically trained pianist and I’m a singer and that’s what allows the girl that goes out at night to also go on stage with Tony Bennett at Lincoln Center." "Lady Gaga" is an exaggerated version of a facet of who Stefani really is. I don't think she was ever someone that lived in leather and breathed pop music but she made it seem that way. The reason for that is unknown but my personal guess is that a pop star that seems to exist solely in their art is more interesting. That is probably why for years it was impossible to find paparazzi photos of LG unless she was in heels, an elaborate outfit, & full makeup. That's one reason why Formachetti decided to step down as the woman's stylist. It was too exhausting to provide wonderful looks several times a week. Gaga was too enamored with perpetuating the idea that she is Lady Gaga despite how obvious it always has been that she's not. There has always been more to her than that. Spirituality, family, friends, love, food, etc. It has taken her a long time to be this grounded. We've never seen it in her career. She finally feels comfortable enough in her own skin to talk about Taylor Kinney and allow us to see her exercising. I read awhile back that she used to pay paparazzi a large sum of money to not leak images of her at the gym so we wouldn't see what she looked like without the entire getup. That is beyond unhealthy. It may show a dedication to her art but t also displays insecurity. I admit I think Gagz probably would've kept it up for many more years to come if the ARTPOP era had went differently but it's obvious she's ready to show everyone, including us, that she is someone that is interested in so much more than what we know her for. She may love to party both on and off stage but that doesn't mean an affinity for classier things isn't there. Both extremes of her personality will coexist for the foreseeable future. I am excited to see what happens next. Lady Gaga may still be her Ziggy Stardust era but she won't be forever and when she takes final form I'll be here as interested as I am now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
komr 414 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Or maybe she just talk too much and hardly ever clears things back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, Chelsea Symona said: I don't think she was ever someone that lived in leather and breathed pop music but she made it seem that way. The reason for that is unknown In a couple interviews she said (I'm paraphrasing) the reason behind her costumes and her performance art is because she realized many of her fans were made to feel like freaks in HS and she wanted them to see the freak in her so they won't feel alone. In another interview she said her fans wanted her to always be Gaga. Imo, her quest to help bullied kids and LGBT was so great that she immersed herself in the Gaga character 24/7 to help her fans. She would say things like she sleeps in her heels, she will never wear jeans, etc. She spent all her money on making her concerts as spectacular as possible to give her fans a total escape from the world that troubled them. Then she would give her little speeches in the concerts to help her fans be brave, strong, self-confident, and know that they are superstars, and that they will "sing and dance", and that she is with them no matter what anyone else says or does. Yes, "Lady Gaga" is an exaggerated version of a facet of who Stefani really is. One way to look at it is Stefani is personally determined to help people all over the world. Gaga is one of the ways she does that. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 21,010 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Chelsea Symona said: I admit I think Gagz probably would've kept it up for many more years to come if the ARTPOP era ARTPOP was about showing who she was behind all the outfits, make-up and everything, so... The only GGD member who can read / Credits to Celloo Deng for the profile pic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono 3,576 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, Oriane23 said: ARTPOP was about showing who she was behind all the outfits, make-up and everything, so... Yes the first 5 minutes of ARTPOP were about that and the rest of the ARTPOP was a circus, So..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitter 14 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 29 minutes ago, Nono said: Yes the first 5 minutes of ARTPOP were about that and the rest of the ARTPOP was a circus, So..... This! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseaaaaaa 1,453 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Oriane23 said: ARTPOP was about showing who she was behind all the outfits, make-up and everything, so... I know you've seen the ARTPOP Era looks. I don't care what the era was about. It ended up having some of her most boundary pushing fashion statements ever at that time (regardless if they were good or bad) and she became so engrossed in the Gaga persona that she turned off people. She was no longer the confident LGBT warrior everyone respected, she was literally schooling interviewers on her definition of art. I love ARTPOP and so many things that it produced but what she said would happen and what actually happened are opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Oriane23 said: ARTPOP was about showing who she was behind all the outfits, make-up and everything, so... I think that's just one facet of what she perceived ARTPOP to be (huh, kind of like how some people said Gaga is just one/several facets of Stefani). Like, that was an aspect of it, but she also very much dabbled in the visual metaphor of changing looks (as she had before, but to a dramatized extreme). 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGaga 3,447 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Don't worry Gagz will right the wrong and show her true self with LG5. If it exists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkTheFunk 124,425 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Nono said: Yes the first 5 minutes of ARTPOP were about that and the rest of the ARTPOP was a circus, So..... Do you wanna see the girl who lives behind the Mona, behind the Lisa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, QueenGaga said: Don't worry Gagz will right the wrong and show her true self with LG5. If it exists Personally, I don't see "the wrong". And the past two years Gaga has been her "true self". People yearning for the early Gaga don't want to believe this. Not criticizing your views, just expressing mine. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGaga 3,447 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 7 hours ago, Ronk said: Personally, I don't see "the wrong". And the past two years Gaga has been her "true self". People yearning for the early Gaga don't want to believe this. Not criticizing your views, just expressing mine. By "wrong" I don't mean there's something wrong with our girl Gagz. I mean to say that she'll be able to correct the people saying that she hasn't been herself. Gaga will always be herself and for me is the most real artist. By her true self I meant how we are confused whether she is the Gaga from TF/TFM and BTW or the Gaga from ARTPOP. She will clear that confusion with LG5 Don't take me in the wrong sense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 21,010 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 22 hours ago, Nono said: Yes the first 5 minutes of ARTPOP were about that and the rest of the ARTPOP was a circus, So..... 20 hours ago, Chelsea Symona said: I know you've seen the ARTPOP Era looks. I don't care what the era was about. It ended up having some of her most boundary pushing fashion statements ever at that time (regardless if they were good or bad) and she became so engrossed in the Gaga persona that she turned off people. She was no longer the confident LGBT warrior everyone respected, she was literally schooling interviewers on her definition of art. I love ARTPOP and so many things that it produced but what she said would happen and what actually happened are opposite. 20 hours ago, Miel said: I think that's just one facet of what she perceived ARTPOP to be (huh, kind of like how some people said Gaga is just one/several facets of Stefani). Like, that was an aspect of it, but she also very much dabbled in the visual metaphor of changing looks (as she had before, but to a dramatized extreme). Yes I know it's one of the numerous things ARTPOP was about. If some of you didn't understand all the meanings that's your problem, I think I understood most of them and I'm completely able to connect all these meanings and everything she said during this era, which some "fans" apparently can't but it's not only for ARTPOP, it's all her career actually. Anyway you can't say she didn't do that in ARTPOP and that LG5 will be a revelation if she shows her "true self" or anything. The only GGD member who can read / Credits to Celloo Deng for the profile pic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono 3,576 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Oriane23 said: Yes I know it's one of the numerous things ARTPOP was about. If some of you didn't understand all the meanings that's your problem, I think I understood most of them and I'm completely able to connect all these meanings and everything she said during this era, which some "fans" apparently can't but it's not only for ARTPOP, it's all her career actually. Anyway you can't say she didn't do that in ARTPOP and that LG5 will be a revelation if she shows her "true self" or anything. Oh a true genius, Only you understand Gaga and her visions and no one else! Maybe you should apply to be her consultant so you can help her when she cant find words to explain her art to someone. So envy at your skills tho. Why arent you working with the Haus of Gaga right now?? You totally should....... P l e a s e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriane 21,010 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 21 hours ago, Nono said: Oh a true genius, Only you understand Gaga and her visions and no one else! Maybe you should apply to be her consultant so you can help her when she cant find words to explain her art to someone. So envy at your skills tho. Why arent you working with the Haus of Gaga right now?? You totally should....... P l e a s e And yet it's the impression I have. When I see fans saying she contradicts herself in her interviews when it actually all makes sense, it makes me wonder what really defines a "fan". How can you say you're a fan when you don't understand what the artist means when they do their art. But I really want to meet other fans who actually understand these things as much as I do. She once said her fans were smart because they really understood all she did and that's why there was this strong connection. Maybe most of these fans are just not hanging on this site. Oh and I won't explain her art to anyone, she does it very well herself, just some don't hear it. The only GGD member who can read / Credits to Celloo Deng for the profile pic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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