Dogs and cats being burned alive, cooked and eaten

[Kayla 7,595]

On 6/21/2016 at 0:34 PM, CyanLights said:

I've been honestly contemplating going vegan for the past few months but it's extremely difficult. Steak and chicken are my favorites but I see videos like these and the ones of the slaughter houses and they make me want to eat leaves. It's hard to be vegan especially since it can be expensive 

 

i also did research in my university for a paper regarding the hormones that are pumped into animals and it's sickening 

You don't have to go full vegan to make a difference. Just by limiting your consumption and choosing products that promote better ethical values can be worthwhile.

I think some people get disheartened because it is hard to completely switch to vegetarian or vegan, and as a result they just completely give up. But I say a hundred people trying a little can be just as valuable as one person doing it all, so the more people on board with being more ethical the better! Every little bit of effort counts. 

[CyanLights 15,576]

47 minutes ago, Kayla said:

You don't have to go full vegan to make a difference. Just by limiting your consumption and choosing products that promote better ethical values can be worthwhile.

I think some people get disheartened because it is hard to completely switch to vegetarian or vegan, and as a result they just completely give up. But I say a hundred people trying a little can be just as valuable as one person doing it all, so the more people on board with being more ethical the better! Every little bit of effort counts. 

Yeah I agree. I've been recently slowly cutting down on meat and dairy and I've honestly been feeling physically better and less sluggish.

[JDi 1,495]

5 hours ago, Kayla said:

Cannibalism isn't eating another "animal," it's eating the same species. Humans diverge from chicken at the Class level, with chickens going to Class Aves and humans Class Mammalia. 

It's also not cannibalism to eat cow or dog, since even though all are Mammals they are in completely different Orders. 

Anyways. Even if you are upset about "political correctness" as it relates to having compassion for all animals, even if you think that it's not hypocrisy or a double standard to be mad about this but not bat an eye at eating a cow, I still think it's pretty shitty to be butthurt about eating a dog but think it's totally fine to abuse a cow for food just because good ol' Bessie isn't likely to curl up in bed next to you.

You talk about how "it's compassion," yet you apparently only have compassion for the animals who are willing to sit at your feet. Compassion isn't about extending a hand to only the things that will lick it for you, it's about extending a hand to living creatures regardless of what they will provide for you in return. 
(At least that's how I view compassion.  )

lol much appreciated.

and good ol' Bessie might feel pain (which isn't the case most of the time, I'm sorry if you've seen too many documentaries and read too much articles about it, but I've visited these places and the cows were pretty beautifully treated by sweet old women and when it's their turn, they're just doing what cows do and they're shot in the head and 95% of the time they instantly lose consciousness). 

compassion is feeling for someone whose feelings you recognize. you can't choose what you feel compassion for, but you can't choose to feel compassion for an animal that doesn't seem to feel "-passion" either. and until there's evidence good ol' Bessie can feel anything other than rest and unrest, I can't feel for her. what you "feel for" with a cow and refuse to accept the thought of is the pathetic life it has, with or without human interference. if not killed, it basically spends 2/3 of its life getting sick and dying... and good ol' Bessie doesn't have "a heart". if she did, she wouldn't be kicking her newborn in the head and shitting all over it. I can't feel compassion for that.

to me, it seems you're just as decided to only look at things in a way I consider un-true to life so please don't quote me. there's no way we can have a proper discussion. let's just say I have double standards and it's up to animals and evolution to change that and not you.

[JDi 1,495]

6 hours ago, Kayla said:

... just because good ol' Bessie isn't likely to curl up in bed next to you.

oh and let's not let you pretend that's all I said about dogs' history and present with humans and basically all they're good for.


 

[Kayla 7,595]

2 hours ago, JDi said:

lol much appreciated.

and good ol' Bessie might feel pain (which isn't the case most of the time, I'm sorry if you've seen too many documentaries and read too much articles about it, but I've visited these places and the cows were pretty beautifully treated by sweet old women and when it's their turn, they're just doing what cows do and they're shot in the head and 95% of the time they instantly lose consciousness). 

compassion is feeling for someone whose feelings you recognize. you can't choose what you feel compassion for, but you can't choose to feel compassion for an animal that doesn't seem to feel "-passion" either. and until there's evidence good ol' Bessie can feel anything other than rest and unrest, I can't feel for her. what you "feel for" with a cow and refuse to accept the thought of is the pathetic life it has, with or without human interference. if not killed, it basically spends 2/3 of its life getting sick and dying... and good ol' Bessie doesn't have "a heart". if she did, she wouldn't be kicking her newborn in the head and shitting all over it. I can't feel compassion for that.

to me, it seems you're just as decided to only look at things in a way I consider un-true to life so please don't quote me. there's no way we can have a proper discussion. let's just say I have double standards and it's up to animals and evolution to change that and not you.

There's good evidence cows can't feel anything other than rest an unrest? That's flat out false. I spent a weekend on a grassfed beef farm and got to watch the cows be transferred from one paddock to another- they were running around, rolling on the ground like dogs do when they're excited, and very obviously happy to be around their favorite foods- it was adorable, and they also approached the farmer to be pet on the head. I also worked with cows in a farm portion of a zoo, and they expressed similar displays of emotion. 
So yeah, don't try and sit here and tell me how "pathetic" cows are, or how worthless their life apparently is.
You're intentionally downplaying their capabilities to hide your hypocrisy. 

Also, bear in mind it's not uncommon for dogs to kill their own puppies, so it's not necessary to get on a high horse about cows potentially kicking their newborn and shitting on it.
And at least in a farm setting, a lot of time a cow rejecting her calf (resulting in perhaps some physical trauma to the calf) is caused by a hormone imbalance, unnatural birth (like a caesarian), or other hormones flaring up as a result of stress or pain. Not to mention, you and I see shitting on something to be gross and awful, but to animals it's not some big insulting thing. (Bear in mind that dogs eat their own ****)

Basically, almost every species has common occurrences where the parent will hurt the young, either as a result of a hormonal imbalance inhibiting the bonding process or just because they are an inexperienced animal. Dogs included. Making it hardly a reason to point a judgmental finger at cows in an attempt to label them as some kind of mindless horrid being undeserving of compassion. 

And now you're also twisting the meaning of compassion to justify your lack of it as well. Compassion isn't specifically feelings for things you can relate to- it's sympathy for the misfortunes of others. Having compassion only for things that are "like you" seems egotistical, imo. 

You might have said not to quote you, but if you don't want to be in a discussion then don't participate. You got your last word, and this can be mine. 

[JDi 1,495]

On ‎23‎.‎6‎.‎2016‎ г. at 4:57 PM, Kayla said:

There's good evidence cows can't feel anything other than rest an unrest? That's flat out false. I spent a weekend on a grassfed beef farm and got to watch the cows be transferred from one paddock to another- they were running around, rolling on the ground like dogs do when they're excited, and very obviously happy to be around their favorite foods- it was adorable, and they also approached the farmer to be pet on the head. I also worked with cows in a farm portion of a zoo, and they expressed similar displays of emotion. 
So yeah, don't try and sit here and tell me how "pathetic" cows are, or how worthless their life apparently is.
You're intentionally downplaying their capabilities to hide your hypocrisy. 

Also, bear in mind it's not uncommon for dogs to kill their own puppies, so it's not necessary to get on a high horse about cows potentially kicking their newborn and shitting on it.
And at least in a farm setting, a lot of time a cow rejecting her calf (resulting in perhaps some physical trauma to the calf) is caused by a hormone imbalance, unnatural birth (like a caesarian), or other hormones flaring up as a result of stress or pain. Not to mention, you and I see shitting on something to be gross and awful, but to animals it's not some big insulting thing. (Bear in mind that dogs eat their own ****)

Basically, almost every species has common occurrences where the parent will hurt the young, either as a result of a hormonal imbalance inhibiting the bonding process or just because they are an inexperienced animal. Dogs included. Making it hardly a reason to point a judgmental finger at cows in an attempt to label them as some kind of mindless horrid being undeserving of compassion. 

And now you're also twisting the meaning of compassion to justify your lack of it as well. Compassion isn't specifically feelings for things you can relate to- it's sympathy for the misfortunes of others. Having compassion only for things that are "like you" seems egotistical, imo. 

You might have said not to quote you, but if you don't want to be in a discussion then don't participate. You got your last word, and this can be mine. 

after you put words in my mouth with the first sentence you spent the paragraph talking about "obviously happy" cows  and ultimately not proving they have feelings, two more paragraphs focusing on a single sentence from my post and again not proving anything because mentally ill humans can hurt their babies too. so what's your point if when not trying to kill theirs, the most cows ever do is letting them hang around and still, if they're suckling the calf and felt like going somewhere, they'd waste no time and just start dragging and kicking it until it lets go of the udder. bitches are "obviously" heartless.

and I am not twisting the meaning of compassion. you are. one either feels compassion or doesn't. I do feel pity for cows, but I can obviously feel a whole lot more about dogs because they feel for me. cows don't even feel their own selves and you don't need a study to prove or disprove it. only thing they know is that grass is the ****.

I appreciate and respect all forms of life, but hey I just killed a fly and if you seriously think compassion is all-encompassing then you should feel ashamed for having displaced, overheated and burst billions of microorganisms while typing that response on your keyboard. it's not a matter of having nervous tissue and it's not a matter of size.

I swear I first had this discussion when I was about 5. always a drag.

...because I understand you, but I just don't see why you need to point out the double standard when it won't change the reality of why people have it. even if we agreed all animal life is equally valuable and no murder is more tolerable than other (which isn't as easy as it sounds) it still won't make us feel the same way for every living thing, so why do you have to pretend people are being hypocritical and egotistic for feeling more strongly about a dog's life?

it's a waste of (your own) time.