Nobody really knows how industry works

[Didymus 34,380]

19 minutes ago, brendablethyn said:

Pop music is not about entertainment value, it's about the music. People don't buy albums because they're 'entertaining', they buy them/listen because they connect with the music. Drake/Adele/Bieber aren't entertaining, people just like the music they put out. Sure music that gets promoted at entertainment events like the VMA's get a big advantage because they get more exposure, but it's not the reason people buy the song.

Of course it's about that, I was only saying that to protect myself from "but Rihanna isn't as capable a singer as Whitney was, therefore she's not a great artist!" comments possibly coming my way

It's not like someone enjoying pop music is going to defend their fav because of their technical capability (except Gaga stans obsessed with how she's supposedly a better singer, obviously). It's about the overall package, and yes of course likeability of the music plays a part in that. But in recent years, you don't need pipes like Tina Turner to be a great pop artist and that's not necessarily a cause for concern, is all I meant.

[JustinTrudeau 2,419]

15 minutes ago, BrianxRyan said:

This is brand new information.

Thought you needed a gif to emphasize it 

[President Trump 3,508]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Sia has confirmed that Beyoncé is extremely involved, to the point that she didn't even enjoy writing for her 'cause Bey was so obsessed with getting every single instrument line right.

I think that pop lovers complaining about creative involvement are very hilariously self-defeating. You're not stanning for Björk. You're stanning for a pop artist who has made several songs by just taking a finished instrumental and writing a melody over it. You're stanning for a pop artist who has a whole creative team behind her. Get your **** together and stop acting you're better than everyone else 'cause your fav is supposedly better than everyone else

"I wish that more people would acknowledge that things are hardly ever as they appear"

Do that with your own fav first, maybe

I am literally not complaining about creative industry process or comparing artists. Did you come into this topic with that assumption and I failed to get my point across??.. I am saying I wish more people knew how the industry works.

Why are you coming for me when I am aware that gaga has a creative team behind her. Idgaf about gaga (regarding this topic) it was just a flippant statement I made. For all I care gaga doesn't write sh*t. Leave it to the little critics to critique any erroneous statement they can find. I mean my post is not about gaga but your whole post was about how I'm a gaga fan so I have to be an idiot and a hypocrite, basically with no awareness of anything else at all, based off of one throwaway comment. Where's the block button? 

[Killa 17,490]

Well i don't think this is the right place to get that information out.... And like people above have said, this past years Sia has been very outspoken about this things, and this conversation became a trend, to the point it's annoying, cause you're not better just because you write your songs. I'm beyond tired of hearing that ****.

And a political figure is no less brilliant because he has a whole team writting his speeches. The one performing it, always.

[President Trump 3,508]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

"Entire" industry? No

Songwriters have always been a part of mainstream pop music since it was created. Most people aren't deceptive about it, which is why I laugh when people pull up Rihanna and Beyonce on the amount of songwriting credits... They aren't hiding anything so you're bashing people for what, exactly?

I'm confused by your post, are you talking to me like I'm bashing someone? My post was pretty neutral. Take off your "I'm offended" glasses and read my post again .. Not such a serious post 😎😎😎😎

[President Trump 3,508]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Ikr. Imagine these people criticizing Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, Dionne Warwick, Céline Dion,... for not writing their own songs And before people quote me saying "well at least those people could sing", pop music is about entertainment value so that's still no good reason to pretend that some pop artists' careers are illegitimate because they don't answer to your standard of quality, which if you're pitting pop artists against each other shouldn't be very impressive anyway  

Pop elitists are the worst.

I mean bro I feel like you're calling me a pop elitist or whatever, like referring to me,  read my post again and I am not saying one artist is better than the other, I don't even have an opinion, I'm just saying I wish more people out there knew how the whole process works. I'm not even talking about whether it's a good process, did you even read my post? Lol 

 

I assume you're slightly referring to me and based off your other post I have good reason to, but if im wrong and you're not talking about me and just changing the subject then let me know and I'll apologize. 

[Harry 26,836]

23 minutes ago, Yaxley said:

I'm confused by your post, are you talking to me like I'm bashing someone? My post was pretty neutral. Take off your "I'm offended" glasses and read my post again .. Not such a serious post 😎😎😎😎

Well the first part was but the second was more of a general statement on the topic inspired by some of the replies here/posts about this subject in other threads. Maybe take off your "I'm offended" glasses, in that case?

[Duella Dvil 10,517]

1 hour ago, Misaki said:

Who cares about views? How many of those artists that have 1billion+ views can sing, dance, and put on a show better than Gaga?

If you don't care, don't comment. It's unnecessary and ugly.

Certified videos equal a paycheck. Meaning more money towards the creative process. 

[Didymus 34,380]

27 minutes ago, Yaxley said:

I am saying I wish more people knew how the industry works.

But you're not even painting an accurate picture You're literally implying (if that's not your intention, fine, but that's the only way it can come across to me based on your actual words) that Gaga is one of the only examples of an artist who has considerable creative control, also implying that her competition is just the slave to an "industry machine". That's not the case for most of the pop stars working today, and that includes the only other example you brought up, which is Beyoncé.

17 minutes ago, Yaxley said:

but if im wrong and you're not talking about me and just changing the subject then let me know and I'll apologize. 

I mean you're not wrong, but I just got the wrong impression of you. Which is not entirely your responsibility, it's just that on this website it's basically a popular opinion that Beyoncé and Gaga's other competition don't have **** to say creatively and therefore all of their success is illegitimate I just assumed you were one of those people, and that assumption was clearly wrong, but to be fair, there wasn't really anything in your post that could convince me it was.

But no worries, I judged too quickly

[President Trump 3,508]

9 minutes ago, Harry said:

Well the first part was but the second was more of a general statement on the topic inspired by some of the replies here/posts about this subject in other threads. Maybe take off your "I'm offended" glasses, in that case?

Oh okay! 😎 You are right 

[President Trump 3,508]

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But you're not even painting an accurate picture You're literally implying (if that's not your intention, fine, but that's the only way it can come across to me based on your actual words) that Gaga is one of the only examples of an artist who has considerable creative control, also implying that her competition is just the slave to an "industry machine". That's not the case for most of the pop stars working today, and that includes the only other example you brought up, which is Beyoncé.

I mean you're not wrong, but I just got the wrong impression of you. Which is not entirely your responsibility, it's just that on this website it's basically a popular opinion that Beyoncé and Gaga's other competition don't have **** to say creatively and therefore all of their success is illegitimate I just assumed you were one of those people, and that assumption was clearly wrong, but to be fair, there wasn't really anything in your post that could convince me it was.

But no worries, I judged too quickly

Okay thanks for understanding and next time I will keep my posts limited to one strand of thought... I shouldn't have mentioned gaga because that muddied up my point... I will learn how to make more straightforward topics 😎

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

See, this is why I love Gaga! 

Firstly, instead of working with a classroom of writers and producers, she only works with a few because she prefers to have a more intimate and close relationship with everyone involved in the artistic process. That's why her music feels more personal, instead of so anonymous.

Secondly, she does not hide her team. In fact, she loves to show them off. She is proud of those who help her behind the scenes. We know about Brandon, Nicola and Laurieann. We even know some of her dancers!

Remember when she directed the music video for G.U.Y. and how she acknowledged every single person who was involved in the final credits!

I mean who else would do that? 

 

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2 hours ago, ViviLittleM said:

I know that we can help Gaga to have two more VEVO Certified videos.

 

 

Will you ever stop?

you're so obbssessed with Gagas streaming power, get over it she has none.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

7 minutes ago, andy232000 said:

Will you ever stop?

you're so obbssessed with Gagas streaming power, get over it she has none.

I don't think he is obsessed or trying to convince anyone, I think he is just being adorable! 

Who cares if Gaga doesn't have streaming power. Streaming is for disposable people to hear disposable music. If you love something you will want to own it.

[Kulture Kiari 3,433]

The whole industry is like that tho, not just the music industry. I was a former actor, and trust me, my manager pretty much made an image for me that I had to follow. Especially when having meetings with higher ups, I was just there, but they were talking about my image as if it was a different person. Pretty much, having a contract means youre a cow. Does it mean that youre not talented? No. Most of the times, having a contract means you have 0 input in what you want, like Kesha. Youre just there hoping your contract will end till you actually have a voice in you know, YOUR CAREER. The industry as a whole is pretty shady. From people who get paid to act like you on verified social media accounts, to people you are forced to have interactions with because they are in the same label as you. No wonder Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears decided to free themselves. But look at the price they had to pay.