LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 This links the threads of Sanders backing away from his pledge to the Obama endorsement. From The Hill President Obama and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders spoke over the weekend, NBC News reported Monday. The conversation came as Obama is preparing to officially come off the sidelines in the 2016 presidential campaign by endorsing the Democratic frontrunner, Hillary Clinton. The White House declined to comment on the conversation, but the president is expected to help broker a truce between Sanders and Hillary Clinton, who have run an increasingly nasty campaign. Clinton is expected to amass enough support in Tuesday’s primary contests to claim the Democratic nomination. An endorsement from Obama could come as soon as the day after the primary, though the exact timing remains unclear, White House officials say. Obama’s backing of Clinton is a signal to Sanders to exit the race. The president is eager to make the case against presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump on the campaign trail. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltaire 4,531 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 "An increasingly nasty campaign" This year for the Dems has been one of the least nasty. Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro 8,438 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 What's the point of backing out if the last primary (excluding D.C.) is tomorrow? Might as well just wait it out.. Spyro the Dragon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Spyro said: What's the point of backing out if the last primary (excluding D.C.) is tomorrow? Might as well just wait it out.. Well it's mostly because California is symbolic. It's a large state with a very diverse population. Clinton doesn't need it but it will strengthen her position as someone who is ahead. Sanders definitely needs it to strengthen his and justify continuing to the convention. Winning it is validation for both of them. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac 11,171 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 13 minutes ago, Voltaire said: "An increasingly nasty campaign" This year for the Dems has been one of the least nasty. Exactly. I'm sick of the media spinning this like they've been so vile to each other. They haven't been AT ALL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, Brainiac said: Exactly. I'm sick of the media spinning this like they've been so vile to each other. They haven't been AT ALL. 12 minutes ago, Voltaire said: "An increasingly nasty campaign" This year for the Dems has been one of the least nasty. Well in their defense they said "increasingly nasty" which is actually true. They went from vowing to never going negative, to lobbing shade towards each other, to Sanders going outright negative, and then Hillary going negative a few days ago as well. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Brainiac said: Exactly. I'm sick of the media spinning this like they've been so vile to each other. They haven't been AT ALL. They really haven't been! Smh Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 You and CNN will guaranteed say she has the nomination on Wednesday deliberately knowing that neither of them have enough pledged Delegates to win the nomination. This will go to the Convention & I think both candidates will bring a strong case as to why the Super Delegates should go with Sanders or Clinton. Ultimately the Super Delegates are here to break a tie, determine who is best fit to represent the party, defeat the other candidate & help out a stong candidate who fell short for whatever reason. Some factors Super Delegates should look at: *The General Election is OPEN, so they need somebody who not only appeals to people in their party but Independent (40% of all registered voters) *Who consistently polls better against the Republican Nominee *Who has the highest favorability ratings and is very well informed and experienced The last time we had a contested convention (2008) Hillary lost to President Obama despite her having more Pledged Delegates, he made a very strong case & I think Sanders will too. I also DO NOT see Bernie Sanders giving Hillary Clinton an endorsement because that would be contradictory to what he is for & he never denied or confirmed that he is considering running as an Independent, Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein made an offer which he remained undecided on, however the Green Party moved it Convention further away in hopes that Sanders could join in by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac 11,171 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, ALEXANDRE said: You and CNN will guaranteed say she has the nomination on Wednesday deliberately knowing that neither of them have enough pledged Delegates to win the nomination. This will go to the Convention & I think both candidates will bring a strong case as to why the Super Delegates should go with Sanders or Clinton. Ultimately the Super Delegates are here to break a tie, determine who is best fit to represent the party, defeat the other candidate & help out a stong candidate who fell short for whatever reason. Some factors Super Delegates should look at: *The General Election is OPEN, so they need somebody who not only appeals to people in their party but Independent (40% of all registered voters) *Who consistently polls better against the Republican Nominee *Who has the highest favorability ratings and is very well informed and experienced The last time we had a contested convention (2008) Hillary lost to President Obama despite her having more Pledged Delegates, he made a very strong case & I think Sanders will too. I also DO NOT see Bernie Sanders giving Hillary Clinton an endorsement because that would be contradictory to what he is for & he never denied or confirmed that he is considering running as an Independent, Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein made an offer which he remained undecided on, however the Green Party moved it Convention further away in hopes that Sanders could join in by then. If Bernie runs as an independent or Green party though he will literally HAND Trump the presidency. He'll split the democratic vote. He would never do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Considering nothing is known about the call, it's stupid to speculate that it must have been this or that. We don't know until one of them tells us. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Brainiac said: If Bernie runs as an independent or Green party though he will literally HAND Trump the presidency. He'll split the democratic vote. He would never do that. He can't even if he wanted to. He's missed most state deadlines. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Brainiac said: If Bernie runs as an independent or Green party though he will literally HAND Trump the presidency. He'll split the democratic vote. He would never do that. Half the Democratic Party likes Bernie, 75% of Independents like Bernie... please explain how Trump would win since he has the most appeal nationally & in key parties? He is a major candidate and will guaranteed be included in every debate + Bernie supporters won't stop supporting him just because he runs as an Independent, the theory that him running as an Independent helps Trump is ridiculous & has no basis to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, ALEXANDRE said: *snip* You treat this as if it's a situation unique to Sanders Hillary is FAR ahead in pledged delegates and the national vote. It's not even remotely comparable to the case with Obama and Hillary where they were essentially tied with the breaking vote based on performance in swing states compared to Mitt Romney. This is the Democratic primary and as such the person chosen is representative of the DEMOCRATS. You talk as if the Democratic party bases its decisions and is willing to overturn three million voters in order to "potentially" win more independents. What kind of logic is that? Of course independents play a part in optics but you keep using this implication that Clinton needs to compete with Sanders in the general election. 80% of the people who voted for Sanders will vote for Clinton as of this writing and it will only get better. You can't even quote polls anymore, because the most recent poll by an A-rated pollster showed a DOUBLE DIGIT lead from Clinton after her national security speech which convinced MANY people of the dangers of Trump. Considering Sanders has outright stated that he will support the winner in fighting Trump, I would suggest not putting words in his mouth. Sanders is going to endorse Hillary. It's funny how I, a Hillary supporter, have more faith in Sanders doing the right thing than you do. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac 11,171 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 minute ago, ALEXANDRE said: Half the Democratic Party likes Bernie, 75% of Independents like Bernie... please explain how Trump would win since he has the most appeal nationally & in key parties? He is a major candidate and will guaranteed be included in every debate + Bernie supporters won't stop supporting him just because he runs as an Independent, the theory that him running as an Independent helps Trump is ridiculous & has no basis to it. Of course it has basis. He still needs to win enough states to reach 270 electoral votes. With 3 major candidates in the race, I don't see any of them reaching that. Guess what happens after that? The House of Representatives gets to vote and decide. And guess who has the majority in the House currently. Republicans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: You treat this as if it's a situation unique to Sanders Hillary is FAR ahead in pledged delegates and the national vote. It's not even remotely comparable to the case with Obama and Hillary where they were essentially tied with the breaking vote based on performance in swing states compared to Mitt Romney. This is the Democratic primary and as such the person chosen is representative of the DEMOCRATS. Of course independents play a part in optics but you keep using this implication that Clinton needs to compete with Sanders in the general election. She won't. Considering Sanders has outright stated that he will support the winner in fighting Trump, I would suggest not putting words in his mouth. Sanders will endorse Hillary. In his Young Turks interview Sanders said if he were to run 3rd Party it would have to be from the heart, he said he once didn't consider it but things have changed. A reporter asked him about the Jill Stein offer & he said at the moment he was focused on getting the nomination. Google it, ain't nobody putting words in Bernie's mouth *nail emoji* Also less than 300 Pledged delegates is still pretty close, especially when he is expected to win California + the National vote thing is false since that doesn't take into account the 6 million people turned away and the exact number of people who were in Caucuses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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