Gaga needs to stop being afraid of flopping

[EssenceOfPop 215]

10 hours ago, HEARTHUNTER said:

 

The irony when "she lost it" because of fans who dismissed her work and who treated her like **** during 2013-2014.

She lost her ambition because fans and other fanbases alike dragged her to the pits of hell, so yeah, don't tell me it didn't affect her creatively, because it totally did and this was a VERY big jab in her creativity and self esteem. She used to be fearless, but it takes time to heal. No wonder why she stopped interacting with her fans, they're so ungrateful and forget she's human.

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[Mythos 3,199]

First of all, you should all wait up and hear her next album, sometimes 2020, before crying after RedOne. Imho he talks to much, and yes, he did some amazing songs with her, but it's still her voice, her energy, her persona that sold those songs.

Second, this is a very important time in her life, if she doesn't deliver this time, she is gone, and she loves to be on the top, who are we kidding. She loves the fame, the money and being most talked about it, and that's fine.

[Seeka 12,372]

She doesn't care about being a flop. She cares about releasing quality music.

Ask any artist, music or someone who draws or write. If we had the choice, we'd never stop drafting. I bet J.k. Rowling would rewrite all of the Harry Potter series.

Gaga just doesn't know when to stop drafting.

People keep talking about about how the Fame Monster was done and released quickly, but I'd like to remind everyone that the Fame Monster was released before it was supposed to. That Boys, Boys, Boys was meant to be the last single from the Fame.

And Gaga released Born this Way because she was overexcited. I bet Born This Way would've been released later if she didn't get so excited about it.

[LaLuna 12,732]

Gaga is afraid of flopping???

More like monsters are afraid of her flopping because stanning for a flop is embarrassing, right? 

Some of you really, REALLY need to get your priorities straight.

I swear this place is getting messier and more stupid by the second... 

[Poot 719]

13 hours ago, kabirartfling said:

I am Reading these meltdown threads & LAUGHING ......she has successfully dissected her fandom to get more space for the new ones!

Sure good luck finding new fans for this Jazz karaoke singer

[freebit 6,240]

Sorry, but the OP and the people co-signing it exemplifies how annoying the fanbase is right now.  Presumptive, quick to meltdown and believe anything, it's giving me Army/Exhale teas. 

Anyway...

- Gaga doesn't control everything, she's still signed to a label. If Interscope saw no point in releasing part II of an album that was dragged by the media and no longer seeing single success and pushing the units, they could have very well scrapped it or made her choose between AP II or C2C - which, you'd have to be a real asshole to turn away an elder legend like Tony, so she made the right choice if that's the case. BTW, this is the same Interscope that delayed M.I.A.'s album for ages - an album that M.I.A. wanted to release. They have the final say in the end. 

- Redone's tracks could very well have not fit the album. They could have sounded like accessible, commercial hits for all we know, and it's possible she's following her muse for this one instead of staying safely in her old patterns with her old producer. How do we know she's so concerned about being a "flop"? We don't know. 

[Lumi 3,512]

I don't really think she's scared of flopping right now. I feel like she's more worried of what critics think of her. If she was afraid of flopping I'm pretty sure we would have LG5 by now. I mean a RedOne's song as a lead single can only mean success. However she's doing something more, she's meeting new people and trying other sounds. That's kinda risky, that's typical Gaga.

[mariomania1234 11,368]

She's not afraid of "flopping". Why pull idiotic assumptions out of your ass?

Was Rihanna, Katy, and Britney also afraid of flopping because they have or are taking breaks? Get ****ing real.

This is downright slander... and her own "fans" perpetuate it. Pathetic really.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Why do people imagine scenarios in their heads then talk about them like they're facts?

Where did you get the idea that Gaga is afraid?

She's just taking her time to release something personal. 

Man... some fans don't get how good they have it. I wait like 5 years between Evanescence releases  

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

16 hours ago, M I M I Z said:

+ I'm blaming Bobby too for letting her do these side projects: singing jazz, AHS, dogs clothing line, tributes etc and not focusing on one thing in particular.

what kind of manager is this?

This this this! When I saw how C2C was promoted, I was eagerly anticipating how the LG5 era would be, but now if seems like he's allowed Gaga to do too many things at once and has stopped managing and just seems to support whatever idea comes to her head.

Some things can wait and be done later, but it is now dragging out the hype era that was around February with Intel, Superbowl, AHS, Oscars, and the Grammy's. 

And now is like Deja Vu! Another jazz abum, another AHS season, but STILL no LG5? Where is she gonna have time to focus on that? Like....Gaga

 

[PopBitch 1,218]

16 hours ago, Knife said:

She made the mistake of thinking that she was untouchable; nobody's untouchable in pop music. One bad album was enough to send her into a nosedive and now the public is very rapidly losing interest.

If LG5 is nothing short of perfection, she better get real comfortable peddling her albums of Jazz karaoke on QVC.

She still sells a few million albums, so she still has some cache with her original music.

[Javier Gallo 199]

I think she is putting more thought in the her music and she is taking a long time to make something she really likes. Remember she said that with ARTPOP she was all over the place and that project was a bit rushed and had several changes proposed by Interscope. And the whole Redone thing, in my opinion she might have felt boored of what that sounded and she might want a new and interesting thing for her career. We might know when she releases the album and actually speak of it. But I do not think she is afraid of flopping.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

18 hours ago, Chelsea Symona said:

I wouldn't want to come back to pop music either knowing my fans think the way many of you do. As I've said before: y'all should recognize WHY she is so hesitant and be supportive opposed to being part of the problem. Jazz and rock seems to be her comfort zone right now and that's fine with me as a fan of both genres. But, as I've also seen, fans of both music styles are far more gracious and accepting. Go figure.

 

18 hours ago, River said:

Nothing has been scrapped, RedOne got himself into a mess with his white lie, he had to say bullshit and to avoid giving too much info and it became a mess..

Releasing a jazz album before LG5 is a smart idea because she can promote herself very easily and then keep the hype warm and release LG5...

Just trust her, she's not afraid, ARTPOP was released during a bad time and now it's over, she's in a good place and wants to top her previous work, so give her time and just enjoy the break..

 

18 hours ago, kizurl said:

maybe the fans needs to stop being afraid of flopping instead...

One in every ten threads made on this site is telling Gaga what to do in order to secure a successful/safe route in her career. At this point, I doubt she could care less and is just doing whatever she wants really.

 

17 hours ago, Drunk Poet said:

1. No. We don't "know of" two projects she scrapped. Interscope stopped her from releasing Act II and please don't attempt to presume you know what her decisions are regarding the RedOne songs. 

2. Since when are you her therapist? What did she tell you after she told you she's insecure? You know nothing, and call me crazy but I don't think that knowing nothing is good enough reason to make up stuff and encourage the rest of this paranoid scaremongering already prevalent on this forum. For all you know which, again, is nothing, she is completely secure, knows exactly what she's doing, and is planning slayage, by keeping as many people as possible out of the loop so that every ridiculous story and rumour cancels each other out, yes, even the demigod RedOne himself. She looks completely happy and is living life to the fullest.

Do I think she possibly regrets telling her ungrateful 'fans' so many details about ARTPOP? Probably. It didn't go well, and she knows that now. People make mistakes and nobody can expect her career to be perfect and smooth. Believe me, withholding all information until she's finished the album is for your own good. 

3. ARTPOP did not "flop". The press wanted it to. She predicted this in the Paparazzi video, because she knew how big a deal she was gonna be. They build you up to tear you down. And as a side note, she didn't fall from grace in the video. She was pushed. Just because of that, it doesn't give people the right to be so paranoid over whether or not she can deliver again. Of course she bloody can. This is Lady ****ing Gaga we're talking about. 

Voice your opinion by all means. But please, stop with these speculations masked as presumptions when you literally know nothing. 

 

17 hours ago, Drunk Poet said:

Okay, what I'm trying to say is that Gaga wasn't and isn't stupid. The reason I say she predicted it, is because she knew it was a high possibility, and definitely wouldn't put it past the media. And she was right not to. You say she isolated her fans with BTW? Please. That's just ludicrous. I think you underestimate the power and influence of the media. People lost interest in her for LGBT campaigning? Hate to break it to you, those aren't the kind of people who's interest you'd want. If you aren't upsetting some people, you're doing something wrong. 

And as for ARTPOP not 'being up to par with her previous work', or in other words, not up to your high standards, I have to laugh when you call people delusional for simply adoring the entirety of the album. It's a good thing, believe it or not, because it brings many people a lot of joy. 

I am genuinely sickened, when I see that when people express their love for the whole album, people on this site scoff, smugly laugh, self-righteously dismiss them, as if they're some delusional idolizing brainwashed sheep, and that the people who scoff do so as if they're soooo intelligent and educated and think it's so correct to not like a lot of the album. It's sickening. The holier-than-thou attitude is sickening. I'm educated, a free thinker, strong-minded and very critical, and I loved the entirety of ARTPOP because I had a beautiful, personal experience with it over a long period of time, away from the media, away from the internet, away from this forum. Fine if you didn't like some of it. You'll notice I don't criticise you for it, as that's your opinion.  So I'll ask you and every other all-seeing all-knowing critic on here to not criticise myself and others who loved the whole album. The concept of respect is lost on some people. 

 

16 hours ago, Didymus said:

That's not true. Pretty ironic you're trying to call someone out for providing false/unknown info and then saying that

Bs. The press didn't want it to flop, they started tearing her down from the start of the era because of that embarrassingly pretentious "Warholian expedition" promo picture and her commercial tactics during Applause (offering a meet and greet in return for multiple bought copies of Applause + linking a playlist just putting Applause on loop to get higher on the charts). On top of that the album performed poorly commercially and got mixed reviews and we had the fake rumor of Interscope losing money. Only then was the era being seen as a fall from grace. This myth of "people were out to get her" is ridiculous. Things unfolded naturally and, if anything, she was criticized most of all for not living up to the message she herself presented: art taking the front position again.

Besides, people here were already calling her fall from grace the "Lady Gaga is fat!" era during 2012/beginning of 2013. They were framing ARTPOP as her big return to people loving her again. Only when ARTPOP eventually did so poorly did the fans re-frame everything so they could avoid the truth. Very transparent and unnecessary. Just quit it.

 

16 hours ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

YOU guys are insane. I really doubt she analyzes everything like you guys do 

Honestly, she's probably just making the music she wants and it's taking time. And if she wants to fade away and not be a pop star anymore then she can if she wants. She doesn't owe us anything 

 

16 hours ago, Delete it Fat said:

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to put out your best work...I don't see that as being afraid of 'flopping'. 

Id rather wait another year for LG5 to come out than have her release something half-assed tomorrow. 

 

11 hours ago, Zilla said:

Stop arguing it's tiresome 

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No, her FANS need to stop being so afraid of her flopping. And she's not stupid, that's ABSURD.

OH WOW, There are actually sane ppl in this forum

 

11 hours ago, Helxig said:

RedOne literally said that they wrote 8 songs together, 1 was really good and was going to be the lead single but now isn't, and that he isn't sure what direction she's taking yet...

And people are saying "she scrapped a whole album and started again"...

Reeeeeeeach.

 

Keyword everyone seems to forget, them delusional minds think he produced & finished 8 tracks, lmfao, like when monsters say Giorgio worked with Gagz, when he literally said he tried to work with her buth they never had time to do it yet, some ppl still list him as a producer añlsfafjñakfnlasjjsajlk  does ppl know how to read cuz.....

[Queen 99]

23 hours ago, Didymus said:

I'm lost rn, I just don't even know anymore In Austin 2014 she said she doesn't release the several finished (!) volumes (!) of music she's made throughout her career up to this point because she doesn't want to see them become a plaything for the music industry like her other albums do.

While at first I thought that was admirable to admit, then I stopped and wondered if it was really that impressive, because that begs the question if she really feels so strongly about the music she ends up releasing Is she releasing what she doesn't consider to be her best music? Then why bother being a releasing artist? For money? Many fans consider that interview to be proof of her artistic integrity - I personally think she contradicts herself so dramatically in there it's actually proof of the possibility of the opposite..

So I agree with this: "She should've just kept chugging out music after ARTPOP and not cared if it sold or not." She gives very mixed signals.  It's kind of exhausting at this point, esp. because we need to endure "This is really me being happy and I've delivered my best, most genuine art for this album!" every era, after which we need to hear she actually wasn't happy and her best **** is still to come. For the first three times it was ok, but now I'm wondering if it's part of a promo design.

yas queen destroy tucan 

[Didymus 34,379]

10 minutes ago, Queen said:

yas queen destroy tucan 

Look how many likes I got for that. The tides are changing.