What's with Katy's 'Ur So Gay'??

[Serendipity 7,821]

8 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Perry's major label debut is a song encouraging an effeminate man to hang himself. She does this with a smile on her face, blissfully unaware and totally tone deaf to the suicide epidemic decimating queer youth. The Christian singer then follows Ur So Gay with a song in which she pretends to be a lesbian in order to attract the attention of heterosexual men, a person Beth Ditto refers to as a "boner-dyke." Katy Perry had one of the most offensive, if not the most offensive, starts to a contemporary pop star's career.

She is gross, and makes music that only children and people with intellectual disabilities should enjoy.

USG is about her emo bf

IKAG is about metrosexuality, not lesbianism

 

That's all I'm gonna say  

[Mister Gaga 22,841]

Blasphemy. That's what it is.

[SKANK 14,288]

Just now, Baby Blue said:

USG is about her emo bf

IKAG is about metrosexuality, not lesbianism

 

That's all I'm gonna say  

 

Ur So Gay is about her emo boyfriend. She mocks his effeminacy in the same way gay men are mocked for their effeminacy. She point blank tells a straight man who fits gay stereotypes to kill himself, the idea being he is not man enough because he doesn't eat meat, drive a hummer, or dress poorly. It's a particularly repugnant song coming from the mouth of a self described Christian and preacher's daughter.

I Kissed A Girl is clearly a cheap bid at grabbing male attention rather then expressing a genuine sexual interest in the same sex. Artists like Tegan and Sara or Brandi Carlile could never have a song like I Kissed A Girl embraced by pop radio, because unlike Katy Perry their real queerness is threatening. To quote Gaga, "I don't think she really kisses girls." To quote Beth Ditto, "She's just riding on the backs of our culture, without having to pay any of the dues and not being actually lesbian or anything at all."

Her first single ruthlessly mocks a man who expresses gender nonconformity, then she turns around for her second single and expects others to celebrate her gender nonconformity.

Ur So Gay is subjectively offensive. I Kissed A Girl, perhaps less obviously offensive, but still what I think most people would comfortably consider "problematic."

Lets not be delusional here. You can enjoy dancing your little gay ass off to Firework, but don't for a second pretend Ur So Gay isn't a malicious little song written by a simple woman.

[Serendipity 7,821]

9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Ur So Gay is about her emo boyfriend. She mocks his effeminacy in the same way gay men are mocked for their effeminacy. She point blank tells a straight man who fits gay stereotypes to kill himself, the idea being he is not man enough because he doesn't eat meat, drive a hummer, or dress poorly. It's a particularly repugnant song coming from the mouth of a self described Christian and preacher's daughter.

he's okay with it  

she said it was meant to be a joke  

her interview is linked in the previous page  

 

TNG: But your song implies an insult. It basically says that the guy in question is less manly for being gay, that he’s wimpy. Like in the video, the Ken Doll that portrays him has no crotch.

KP: I know gay men that are more of a man than some of the men I slept with. If it came across like that I didn’t mean it. It’s kind of like Alanis Morisette’s “You Oughta Know,” that influenced me so much. I wrote about something very specific and personal to my life. People relate to songs, but this is about my one specific situation.

TNG: Have you heard from the guy you wrote it about?

KP: He’s heard it, i think he’s OK, we’re friends. It was a snapshot of an emotion and whatever I was feeling, I’m over it. I’ve moved on in life. Now I’m on to kissing girls.

9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

I Kissed A Girl is clearly a cheap bid at grabbing male attention rather then expressing a genuine sexual interest in the same sex. Artists like Tegan and Sara or Brandi Carlile could never have a song like I Kissed A Girl embraced by pop radio, because unlike Katy Perry their real queerness is threatening. To quote Gaga, "I don't think she really kisses girls." To quote Beth Ditto, "She's just riding on the backs of our culture, without having to pay any of the dues and not being actually lesbian or anything at all."

Do you know what metrosexuality is?  

9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Her first single ruthlessly mocks a man who expresses gender nonconformity, then she turns around for her second single and expects others to celebrate her gender nonconformity.

Ur So Gay is subjectively offensive. I Kissed A Girl, perhaps less obviously offensive, but still what I think most people would comfortably consider "problematic."

if a girl makes a song like this the world falls apart, but if a guy does, np  

 

Examples:

9 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Lets not be delusional here. You can enjoy dancing your little gay ass off to Firework, but don't for a second pretend Ur So Gay isn't a malicious little song written by a simple woman.

How can you be so sure I like Firework?  

[SKANK 14,288]

43 minutes ago, Baby Blue said:

he's okay with it  

she said it was meant to be a joke  

her interview is linked in the previous page  

 

TNG: But your song implies an insult. It basically says that the guy in question is less manly for being gay, that he’s wimpy. Like in the video, the Ken Doll that portrays him has no crotch.

KP: I know gay men that are more of a man than some of the men I slept with. If it came across like that I didn’t mean it. It’s kind of like Alanis Morisette’s “You Oughta Know,” that influenced me so much. I wrote about something very specific and personal to my life. People relate to songs, but this is about my one specific situation.

TNG: Have you heard from the guy you wrote it about?

KP: He’s heard it, i think he’s OK, we’re friends. It was a snapshot of an emotion and whatever I was feeling, I’m over it. I’ve moved on in life. Now I’m on to kissing girls.

Do you know what metrosexuality is?  

if a girl makes a song like this the world falls apart, but if a guy does, np  

 

Examples:

How can you be so sure I like Firework?  

 

In the interview which you just quoted Perry said she thinks the guy is "okay", she did not explicitly say he was okay with the song, and given the nature of the song it's hard to believe he would share his actual feelings with her. Frankly, how he feels about the song it is completely irrelevant to how offensive it is and how much of a negative impact the song potentially had.

Ur So Gay was sung by a pop star all around the world to audiences of thousands, if not millions of people. She spread a message which confirms people's idiotic and narrow minded ideas of what masculinity is, all the while reading a list of gay stereotypes. It's gay to shop at H&M. It's gay to drive an electric car. It's gay to be a vegetarian. "You do all these things yet you aren't gay." Would you be defending a Katy Perry song called Ur So Black, in which she listed all the things her 'cracker' boyfriend did which conformed to black stereotypes? Probably not.

I know what the word metrosexual means, do you? Because the song is clearly not about a metrosexual. It's about someone who is emo, or a hipster. But again, that is irrelevant, because she doesn't use the word metrosexual, hipster, or emo to belittle him, she uses the word gay. It comes down to using gay as an insult, and explicitly saying that if you do not conform to our culture's narrow view of what it means to be a man you should kill yourself.

At no point in You Outta Know does Alanis tell a man to kill himself, the comparison between the two songs makes absolutely no sense.

God knows why someone would feel the need to defend Katy Perry thinking the suicide of effeminate men is appropriate fodder for a pop song or appropriate to sing in stadiums in front of thousands of insecure and impressionable tweens.

 

[Sizzily 14,543]

Queen of Homophobia  

But seriously, its not a big deal.

[holy scheisse 22,164]

shes infamous for just being/doing ignorant things, but then having ppl be like lighten up! its just katy perry!! so sensitive!

theyre right though she is a bit basic and shouldnt be taken seriously

 

 

 (THIS WHOLE mess of a song/video)

 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,685]

So many people misunderstood this song. It wasn't about a gay person, it was a song about an emo ex. Katy wrote and sang this song back when emo culture was all the rage. These days, the references don't mean anything but back then, they were obvious. But even then, a lot of people didn't realise. They just heard the word gay and assumed it was a gay-bashing anthem. Look at it closely and you'll see references to classic facets of being emo that could not be applied to gay people like reading Hemmingway in the rain, liking Mozart, being vegetarian, driving electric cars, being indie rock, needing SPF 45 to not burn, being super skinny, liking the fact that no one understands them. Those are emo stereotypes. The chorus makes it clear that she means gay in the sense of "not good," meaning that she just saying her ex is someone she doesn't like. This explains the whole "and you don't even like boys" to finish, almost alluding to how silly the idea of calling a straight person gay actually is. Not saying it's acceptable, just pointing out what she was really trying to say with the song.

But of course, this is still totally problematic and not nice at all. Using this phrase has hurt so many gay people and even those who aren't gay. Associating a sexual orientation with something bad truly is an awful development. I remember this is something mused about in the book, Sugar Rush, where Kim says that she feels how it's so frustrating when your potential new sexuality is being used as a byword for something bad/uncool/disgusting and that "gay" is officially the new "sad." And that book was written in 2004. So, by the time Katy put this song out in 2008, she was well aware of how damaging this phrase was but she did it anyway. It's well worth noting that this was her original debut single, not I Kissed A Girl. But the song was such a flop that her label erased its existence as her debut single out of history and re-branded her as a new artist with her first song, IKAG. You know, Madonna was the only celebrity who ever acknowledged her existence before this happened, by stating that she was in love with this Ur So Gay song during a talk show or something (who would have thought she'd have liked that?) It's funny how Katy went from seemingly hating on the gays to experimenting with gayness herself in one fell swoop. It really shows you what sells. Oddly enough, when she first started out, I remember one of the very first online comments I saw about her was: "I think it's strange all this girl's songs are about gay people." Yeah, that was back before Katy became the generic, kid-friendly popstar she is today. Initially, she was an indie-pop girl with a guitar and songs about alternative topics. No one could have predicted she'd become what she is today. Again, it shows what truly sells.

[SissyFromSpace 20,884]

the only people that pretend to be offended are the one's with lash marks from the sever beatings from the ARTPOP VS PRISM era.

[ALGAYDO 31,803]

It's extremely stupid, and very insensitive of her. But like someone already stated, this song is 8 years old, people grow and change, so this shouldn't be used against her tbh. And Katy really shouldn't be taken seriously anyway 

[Illuminati 15,914]

I liked her edginess during One of the boys era that's something I truly miss in her but this was definitely a good example of her ignorance during that time more than anything.

I get that the whole song is not about an actual gay person but just the use of the term gay to insult someone combined with the use of lesbians in i kissed a girl solely to make the song into sort of a straight male fantasy is not right.

I feel like it might have something to do with the fact that she grew up in a really religious background so the ignorance could be sort of forgiven. This is still a very embarrassing song to be honest, not very well-thought lyrics for someone who was aiming to become big. The whole era was actually very lgbt ignorant despite people having different opinions on it. I honestly hope she truly cares about her lgbt fanbase now and isn't just supporting them because it's trendy.

And I'm also hoping she goes back to being edgy, I feel like combined with what she's learned during her career a daring era could spawn something fresh and smart rather than ignorant.

[malazam 15,710]

 just bc person remembers it doesn't mean that the song has longevity, lmao 

[Chelseaaaaaa 1,453]

Never 4get Katy Perry's casual homophobia that was expressed through song.

[Seeka 12,372]

She was making fun of the metrosexuality movement and hipsters. And emo and scene people.

Let's get over this.

[SKANK 14,288]

2 hours ago, Seeka said:

She was making fun of the metrosexuality movement and hipsters. And emo and scene people.

Let's get over this.

 

Making hipsters the scapegoat for otherwise totally unacceptable social bullying is the norm now. People can't mock Blacks, Jews, or Homosexuals without being socially ostracized for their bigotry,  so they turn their hate to a subculture and minority who it is acceptable to **** on, the hipsters.

The song warrants criticism.