Just Watched Lemonade and I Don't Think...

[littlepotter 73,096]

3 hours ago, Daredevil said:

Lemonade is a masterpiece. You have to experience the whole thing, before talking sh*t. The cinematography is just beyond amazing and it's probably one of the most coherent albums of the decade. 

Gaga could never make such a statement, because she's privileged and let's be honest, the only thing she could do better is the music. 

It is an amazing album and film but you've derailed a bit in that last part. You say the only thing Gaga can top could be the music. Is she, as a musician, supposed to top anything else than music? That's her job! Not making movies.

And on that note, I don't think Bey had much to do in that whole process. Everyone is praising her for making this masterpiece while in fact she's just acting in it. The production and execution being amazing are not to her credit.

[Daredevil 2,133]

2 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

I knew race was gonna show up eventually 

Idk man, last time I checked the album was about racial inequality.

[Versace 7,476]

19 minutes ago, Daredevil said:

Girl, I've been a fan since her first the Dome show in 2008. I know what she did for the LGBT community, but I wasn't talking about that. Let's not make everything about us. LEMONADE is an album about the unapologetic black woman, who stands up for herself even though "she's the most disrespected person in America". That's what I mean with "Gaga could never make such a statement", because she simply can't. But it's okay, there are other issues.

 

While I get your point and gagzus's point

I think he's trying to say that making such a statement isn't necessarily impressive, artistic or needed when we live in a world with 100+ problems and many other statements to be made and I'm glad you see that. Cause like every Queen can bring some change with a different statement, which results in us being proud of the artists of our generation.

[Versace 7,476]

2 minutes ago, Daredevil said:

Idk man, last time I checked the album was about racial inequality.

I thought it was about forgiveness and appreciation hence the title  

[DemeLarell 931]

6 minutes ago, Daredevil said:

Idk man, last time I checked the album was about racial inequality.

No shade. I was just waiting for it lol

[GagaMyBlood95 9,808]

3 hours ago, Poot said:

It looks cheap and the album sounds cheap  don't see what all the hype is about

BEYONCÉ film > Lemonade film

BEYONCÉ album > Lemonade album

 

[Daredevil 2,133]

4 minutes ago, Versace said:

I thought it was about forgiveness and appreciation hence the title  

Yeah that too, but that is obvious. I said "racial inequality" because he pulled the "let's not make this about race" card.

[Monsterish 5,520]

Sorry, no.

[Shadowcrest 2,487]

3 hours ago, Daredevil said:

Lemonade is a masterpiece. You have to experience the whole thing, before talking sh*t. The cinematography is just beyond amazing and it's probably one of the most coherent albums of the decade. 

Gaga could never make such a statement, because she's privileged and let's be honest, the only thing she could do better is the music. 

the ignorance is astounding 

[RainingOnMe 7,221]

3 hours ago, Pop said:

whoever says Lemonade is bad is either lying or didn't even take time to watch it. It's a masterpiece

Her singing is great, but I have a big problem with B: she writes nothing. She even stole writing credits for the self titled.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

13 hours ago, Dangerous Man said:

 

Well, the first part was all about the negative thoughts and feelings she had as a result of her husband's cheating. The way she expressed those feelings in the film is just freaking brilliant. The middle part was when she starts clearing up her mind and realizing things. She then decided to just move on, use all the bad things she experienced as her strength,(she was served lemons but she made lemonade, hihi),  forgive her husband and start their relationship all over again and build a happy family. She's doing that because of true love. Love is just the most beautiful thing here on this planet. It can overcome everything! It doesn't brag, it forgives, it is patient and it can endure all things! 

Sounds like an episode of The Bold and the Beautiful.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

10 hours ago, littlepotter said:

It is an amazing album and film but you've derailed a bit in that last part. You say the only thing Gaga can top could be the music. Is she, as a musician, supposed to top anything else than music? That's her job! Not making movies.

And on that note, I don't think Bey had much to do in that whole process. Everyone is praising her for making this masterpiece while in fact she's just acting in it. The production and execution being amazing are not to her credit.

Exactly. Praising Beyoncé for Formation is like praising Gaga as though she's responsible for AHS: Hotel. They were just part of an ensemble. Not the creators of the entire thing. A whole team of artists and specialists have to work together to make something as great as Formation or AHS. 

[Dangerous Man 9,245]

I just watched it again, it's really #****inflawess.  

[StrawberryBlond 13,396]

Really puzzled as to why so many people are liking it. There's way better visuals out there than this. Beyonce's star power has a lot to answer for. And it's not like she even created all this. It had seven cinematographers. The movie was made by a bunch of other people, not her, so why is she getting the praise for it? Beyonce has proved over and over that she has very little say in her overall product. It's just a known fact. She can thank her lucky stars that she has such a dedicated team behind her doing all this for her because she couldn't do it on her own and there's a whole bunch of artists out there who could do better, if given the chance. Beyonce's videos have always been boring and uneventful anyway. They clearly haven't changed much. Beyonce has to thank Gaga for so much inspiration for her longer music videos with more meaning lately. She was never all that fussed about that stuff before.

On 28/05/2016 at 2:04 PM, Versace said:

Tbh yea when you watch it with the clips, you start going like wow I'm blown away but at the end of the day

were not consuming the documentary on a daily basis, all we have is the album and I'm afraid without the visuals the album falls flat in some places

As a musical project, yea I'd say it was the best move since Gaga's debut but from a musical stand point I can name 20 albums that are far more superior in my opinion 

If Lemonade and Beyonce are that Holy I don't see it selling better than heck even Taylor's Speak Now let alone 1989 and let alone an Adele album

impact wise, her self-titled caused a bigger stir and even her third album was far more commercially appreciated

Lemonade is a tremendous project but an ok album and people will have to deal, no one has time to recall or rewatch an hour worth of music videos and monologue 

That's exactly what I say. We can't watch an hour's worth of documentary everyday. Sometimes, enjoying a single video is all that's needed. You just want to hear one song, see one video. And I think that's precisely the reason why it isn't selling as well as her old stuff. For all she must love the idea that she started the concept of surprise releases, she doesn't seem to realise how much she's shot herself in the foot with the whole idea. Her new work is completely unknown to people who don't follow her career. But if she'd released traditionally with singles, she could be selling so much better and have the public more aware. I haven't seen the public at large being aware of a Beyonce song since Halo. That was her last big hit. Everything else is just what deluded fans think has sunk into the public consciousness. The public remember albums through singles. No singles/no promotion for singles = no impact. Lemonade just seems to be making a big impact now because it's so new. Wait a while and see how it fades away. There's nothing to remember from it because there's no proper singles to make it stand out in the public's mind. In years to come, they'll have trouble remembering anything individual about it other than it was released in one day and was a movie.

But no one's paying attention to all this. They're acting as if it's a big seller when it still hasn't even sold a million yet in the US in 1.5 months, despite Taylor and Adele selling over a million in their debut week in the US alone. It baffles me why Beyonce is treated as some sort of sales giant. Maybe back in the day, but not now. She's not got anywhere near her debut album sales (11 million) in years. Her self titled was her second lowest selling release at the time and yet people acted as if it had single handedly saved the industry.

On 28/05/2016 at 2:25 PM, Didymus said:

Seriously don't get the "without the visuals the music is underwhelming" arguments. People brought the same argument with Beyoncé in 2013. I don't get what that is about. I guess the experimental dimension and the superiority of the production gets lost on some people who don't know how to appreciate it.

There is nothing and I do mean nothing basic about either album.

Believe it or not, some people can handle the "experimental" production, they just don't think it's all that. You can understand something but still not like it. There are some people out there who are incapable of understanding because they don't want to but there are plenty who can understand but still refuse to praise it. I could say that the theory of how visuals act as a diversion technique as well as a manipulative trick to make people think the person featured in them is the talented creator...but I wouldn't be so imperious as to say that.

Nothing basic about either album? Try listening to Pretty Hurts, Blow, No Angel, Mine, XO, Blue, Hold Up, Sorry and Formation. Hardly flawless works of genius, she has fillers just like anyone else.

On 28/05/2016 at 5:00 PM, Daredevil said:

Girl, I've been a fan since her first the Dome show in 2008. I know what she did for the LGBT community, but I wasn't talking about that. Let's not make everything about us. LEMONADE is an album about the unapologetic black woman, who stands up for herself even though "she's the most disrespected person in America". That's what I mean with "Gaga could never make such a statement", because she simply can't. But it's okay, there are other issues.

Why does she have to be an unapologetic "black" woman? Why can't she just be an unapologetic woman? All women suffer problems, it's wrong to keep focusing on non-white groups as if they're the only ones who have trouble in this world. It's weird, not too long ago, white feminists were being criticised for not including non-white women in  discussion and acting like they didn't exist. Now, so much focus is put on them that we're losing sight of how all women from all racial backgrounds have troubles. We've even tried to convince ourselves that certain issues, which affect us all, are race specific ones and that all problems that a person of colour suffers must come from their race. We'll never solve racial inequality this way. Lemonade is about Beyonce finding out Jay cheated on her and how she dealt with that. And there's racial messages towards the end that stop the album being coherent (everyone thought it was going to be an album about race from Formation, little did we know that was only going to feature a little). What, do only black women get cheated on? No, every woman can get cheated on - it's a message for all women, not just black women. On the contrary, I think Gaga could make a better statement than Beyonce did. And she wouldn't need umpteen co-writers to help either.

[Johnikan 602]

On 5/28/2016 at 9:05 AM, Daredevil said:

Gaga could never make such a statement, because she's privileged and let's be honest, the only thing she could do better is the music. 

What exactly entails privilege in this situation?